WIN Corporation

[muzby]

Why did WIN buy in?

It’s all part of the wider Illawarra mafia plan to grow the area.

It’s widely known down here that they are lobbying the AFL to shift the swans down to Wollongong as well to create a red & white sporting powerhouse.

They’re flushed with funds too after the backroom deals done to accept the ruby princess into port Kembla.

From what I understand they’re doing all of this to ready their push to make Wollongong the state capital by 2030 so that they can launch a bid for the 2040 olympics.

 

[redandwhite4evr]

Why did WIN buy in?

 

[redandwhite4evr]

Why did WIN buy in?

Perhaps WIN should reconsider its business name- it is simply not reflective of the JV's performance on the field or the Boardroom decisions they are making- I would suggest SQUIB CORPORATION

 

[muzby]

Perhaps WIN should reconsider its business name- it is simply not reflective of the JV's performance on the field or the Boardroom decisions they are making- I would suggest SQUIB CORPORATION

Why should WIN change their (successful) business name to reflect the failure of the St George part of the JV?

I blame the reappearance of Doust.

 

[dragon thomo]

Win corp should sell their share of the joint venture, so we can look for a owner that puts the club first.

 

[muzby]

Win corp should sell their share of the joint venture, so we can look for a owner that puts the club first.

Do you honestly believe the St George half of the board are putting the club first?

Let’s look at the whole issue rather than pointing fingers..

 

[muzby]

Just to add some context to my comments... In the mid 1990’s the comment was made that St George “had the smell of Newtown” about it..

This was before the JV..

20+ years later we’re still suffering the same mismanagement.. So it can’t be a solely WIN problem.

Both sides of the JV need to have a good look at themselves & then work together to fix things.

Whilst pointing fingers may feel good as you can apportion blame elsewhere, in reality all that does is stops you for looking at the root cause..

 

[RufusRex]

St George were self serving bastards that knew that some level of success makes it easier to maintain their control over the feifdom. In the 10 years prior to the JV we had 3 GF appearances.

Even post "smell of newtown" we managed a grand final appearance.

Illawarra are self serving bastards that dont even have the decency to care about success ... The arrogance in the belief that they are bulletproof regardless is apparant.

 

[Dragonslayer]

The Board, in its entirety, are unfortunately not focused on the Club as a whole. Pigs in trough maybe, but there are what appears to be different agendas at play.

To complicate matters, the ownership of each, lets say division, dont seem to share the same vision. One side taking the investment (money making exercise only) route, the other just seems happy to be there.

In all of it, they are unmovable, inpenetrable and uninterested in anything outside of the boardroom. They have engineered the structure so they are 'safe' and cant be voted out. As they say the turds that cant be flushed.

Is there a way out of this?

 

[muzby]

St George were self serving bastards that knew that some level of success makes it easier to maintain their control over the feifdom. In the 10 years prior to the JV we had 3 GF appearances.

Even post "smell of newtown" we managed a grand final appearance.

Illawarra are self serving bastards that dont even have the decency to care about success ... The arrogance in the belief that they are bulletproof regardless is apparant.

But the issue with your argument is this “Illawarra” of which you speak.. There’s been two iterations, Steelers & private ownership, that have gone through the JV but yet the problems have transcended both.

And I’d argue that just making a grand final doesn’t make you a good club.. If the club itself was so strong, it would have stood on its own.

“Illawarra” seems like an easy whipping boy, particular for the more senior of fans, but the fact of the matter remains there have been management issues on both sides of the JV, since even before the two came together.

 

[Old Timer]

Just to add some context to my comments... In the mid 1990’s the comment was made that St George “had the smell of Newtown” about it..

This was before the JV..

20+ years later we’re still suffering the same mismanagement.. So it can’t be a solely WIN problem.

Both sides of the JV need to have a good look at themselves & then work together to fix things.

Whilst pointing fingers may feel good as you can apportion blame elsewhere, in reality all that does is stops you for looking at the root cause..

I don’t think anyone thinks it is just a WIN problem

There is no denying the St George side have been week kneed.and their is hatred for them amongst the St George fan base.

All that aside the here and now indicates the money and power to address the coaching issue sits with the Gordon family.

They bought in to the situation and it was hoped that would see an upward trend for the beleaguered JV but the situation just gets worse day by day.

The shame is there were other interested parties who many feel would have taken this situation by the throat and dealt with it thus the frustration with the WIN Corp and the Mexican standoff that is ripping this club apart.

The criticism essentially is regardless of how we got here someone actually has the ability to do something positive and they appear to have no will or intention to do so.

Rather than sit on their hands the Gordon’s and the BOD should spell out the plan or get the f**k out and let someone come in who can give the fans and playing group some glimmer of hope.

When something’s crook in Tallarook it almost always involves money.

 

[muzby]

I don’t think anyone thinks it is just a WIN problem

A quick read through this thread would say otherwise.

All that aside the here and now indicates the money and power to address the coaching issue sits with the Gordon family.

But it’s not. Both sides have the cash:

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sp...e/news-story/4c12ab1f55c64f77092284a9c99db1f4


Without speculating, I feel we have two people mentioned in that article who need to be more collaborative.

 

[Dragonslayer]

I don’t think anyone thinks it is just a WIN problem

There is no denying the St George side have been week kneed.and their is hatred for them amongst the St George fan base.

All that aside the here and now indicates the money and power to address the coaching issue sits with the Gordon family.

They bought in to the situation and it was hoped that would see an upward trend for the beleaguered JV but the situation just gets worse day by day.

The shame is there were other interested parties who many feel would have taken this situation by the throat and dealt with it thus the frustration with the WIN Corp and the Mexican standoff that is ripping this club apart.

The criticism essentially is regardless of how we got here someone actually has the ability to do something positive and they appear to have no will or intention to do so.

Rather than sit on their hands the Gordon’s and the BOD should spell out the plan or get the f**k out and let someone come in who can give the fans and playing group some glimmer of hope.

When something’s crook in Tallarook it almost always involves money.

Correct there OT.

Q: what was the original aim of the JV?

Genuine question for anyone to answer.

 

[RufusRex]

But the steelers and private ownership had one face in common ... Nothing changed.

 

[JohnnoMcJohnno]

Correct there OT.

Q: what was the original aim of the JV?

Genuine question for anyone to answer.

At the time there was plenty of commentary by the NRL that there were too many Sydney Clubs. There were indications that entry to the competition after 1998 was not guaranteed for any single club but entry by merged clubs was guaranteed. Clubs that merged were also given extra dollars and additional salary cap from memory.

I presume the original aims were guaranteed survival plus dollars. Now it looks like we have neither.

 

[muzby]

But the steelers and private ownership had one face in common ... Nothing changed.

So now you’re narrowing it down to one person, who wasn’t part of the entire process anyway..

But regardless, it’s still finger pointing.

It’s a tactic that gets nobody anywhere..

Just look at Mary.

 

[Mr Angry]

Are you owned buy a corporation and no longer a members club like Souths?

 

[muzby]

Are you owned buy a corporation and no longer a members club like Souths?

Half half...

Although the way the management of club side of things is set up, members barely get a say anyway..

 

[Mr Angry]

Thanks was not sure.

 

[Dragonsamy]

Yeah but then he was an unknown and we all had high hopes post Price (like anyone would of done to coach just like now)..but the Illawarra Chairman resided over the most recent ridiculous extension and probably the one before when Dousty was CEO

100% correct