WIN Corporation

[possm]

Not really at liberty to say. But you know old song about what makes the world go round?

For those who are too young to know this song!

 

[SBD82]

Just to veer off a bit from the subject, I wonder how things would have looked if Paul Smith's Total Sport + company had put in the winning bid for the Illawarra side of the JV. His involvement had put a rocket under the Sydney Kings and boosted them from mediocrity to the top of the table. He is a colorful guy who in never short of a quote on any subject (Kings fans are never in any doubt what's going on with their club- he talks one on one to them ) and has a deep and distinguished sports management background- and is a passionate Dragons supporter. I know it's all history now but I firmly believe we would be a powerhouse to rival the Roosters now if this had happened.

At the time I thought that Total Sport would have been a better option. He has fresh ideas and I thought that would have been very useful in driving change and growth.

The current climate looks like change and growth is not going to be as important as survival and bailouts. I think we may have gotten lucky in that WIN Corp will be better positioned to weather the storm. Sport is about to take a massive hit. In that context I think we are going to be better off with a company that has more wealth and more diverse interests. Paul Smith’s enterprises seem to consist almost exclusively of sports interests. I think they are going to be hit hard. If the NRL is at risk, imagine what risk there is to the smaller sports.

 

[muzby]

At the time I thought that Total Sport would have been a better option. He has fresh ideas and I thought that would have been very useful in driving change and growth.

The current climate looks like change and growth is not going to be as important as survival and bailouts. I think we may have gotten lucky in that WIN Corp will be better positioned to weather the storm. Sport is about to take a massive hit. In that context I think we are going to be better off with a company that has more wealth and more diverse interests. Paul Smith’s enterprises seem to consist almost exclusively of sports interests. I think they are going to be hit hard. If the NRL is at risk, imagine what risk there is to the smaller sports.

Indeed.. It’s going to be a tough year for many sporting organisations.. They run on the smell of an oily rag at the best of times..

I think one other benefit that WIN have delivered in the past few days has been installing an outside CEO..

For the first time in the JV’s history our CEO won’t be on the board of the St George leagues club..

To quote the late great Big Kev, I’m excited!

 

[possm]

At the time I thought that Total Sport would have been a better option. He has fresh ideas and I thought that would have been very useful in driving change and growth.

The current climate looks like change and growth is not going to be as important as survival and bailouts. I think we may have gotten lucky in that WIN Corp will be better positioned to weather the storm. Sport is about to take a massive hit. In that context I think we are going to be better off with a company that has more wealth and more diverse interests. Paul Smith’s enterprises seem to consist almost exclusively of sports interests. I think they are going to be hit hard. If the NRL is at risk, imagine what risk there is to the smaller sports.

Well your theory will be tested over the next twelve months. Let's see the actions of our WIN Corp owners v the actions of Paul Smiths company.

 

[muzby]

Well your theory will be tested over the next twelve months. Let's see the actions of our WIN Corp owners v the actions of Paul Smiths company.

You should turn that into a TV show to fill the void of other sports..

 

[SBD82]

Well your theory will be tested over the next twelve months. Let's see the actions of our WIN Corp owners v the actions of Paul Smiths company.

It will definitely be tested. And there are no guarantees that we will ride this out, regardless of who is at the helm.

Let’s hope we do.

 

[possm]

It will definitely be tested. And there are no guarantees that we will ride this out, regardless of who is at the helm.

Let’s hope we do.

With a new CEO maye those with their smouts in the SGI trough may be flushed down the loo and gone forever.

 

[SBD82]

With a new CEO maye those with their smouts in the SGI trough may be flushed down the loo and gone forever.

Since there may not be a trough soon, they may all be gone through natural attrition.

 

[possm]

Since there may not be a trough soon, they may all be gone through natural attrition.

These hangers-on would never go if given the option; take Mary, Dean Young, Craig Young and Ian Millward as examples. No, thenew CEO will have to arrange for their removal.

 

[SBD82]

These hangers-on would never go if given the option; take Mary, Dean Young, Craig Young and Ian Millward as examples. No the CEO will have to arrange for the removal.

I’d be disappointed if you didn’t manage to squeeze a millward reference in there somewhere.

Well played mate.

 

[Stan Gorton 2511]

At the time I thought that Total Sport would have been a better option. He has fresh ideas and I thought that would have been very useful in driving change and growth.

The current climate looks like change and growth is not going to be as important as survival and bailouts. I think we may have gotten lucky in that WIN Corp will be better positioned to weather the storm. Sport is about to take a massive hit. In that context I think we are going to be better off with a company that has more wealth and more diverse interests. Paul Smith’s enterprises seem to consist almost exclusively of sports interests. I think they are going to be hit hard. If the NRL is at risk, imagine what risk there is to the smaller sports.

Paul Kent had a big go at him last night saying his attitude was defeatist in quitting the GF and "spitting the dummy". Said it was poor leadership
Agree in this climate WIN Corp is the safe option

 

[denis preston]

With a new CEO maye those with their smouts in the SGI trough may be flushed down the loo and gone forever.

Poss, i'd love to see the small print on his contract of what he can and what he can't do.You would assume his direct report is to the board and they are unlikely to approve some of their mates removal.The St George side of it can only be removed through Leagues Club elections and i assume most voting members criteria is how the Leagues club is performing, not the football club. I believe ( please correct me if i'm wrong ) the past 2-3 years results is on a up curve. Talk about muddling the water !

 

[Dennis Papaioannou]

Since they own half of the JV and have divergent investments, we will be much more likely to have the capacity to weather the current financial uncertainty than if we were only supported by a leagues club.

Not really the issue.
The question is how did they gain the ascendency given that there were significantly better offers to buy the share parcel privately?
Have contributed nothing of consequence so far:
1. No management expertise - we still have the same factions and barnacles entrenched in the board room.
2. No credible vision for the future.
3. Reluctance to make hard decisions and spend money - e.g. McGregor pay out.
4. Appointment of a puppet CEO who has been mostly silent and reluctant to address the key issues facing the club.
5. And last but not least, NO results on the field. Lurching from one disaster to another.

With the carnage in the economy expect these guys to shut up shop in terms of spending.

 

[SBD82]

Not really the issue.
The question is how did they gain the ascendency given that there were significantly better offers to buy the share parcel privately?
Have contributed nothing of consequence so far:
1. No management expertise - we still have the same factions and barnacles entrenched in the board room.
2. No credible vision for the future.
3. Reluctance to make hard decisions and spend money - e.g. McGregor pay out.
4. Appointment of a puppet CEO who has been mostly silent and reluctant to address the key issues facing the club.
5. And last but not least, NO results on the field. Lurching from one disaster to another.

With the carnage in the economy expect these guys to shut up shop in terms of spending.

Without getting into the finer detail of your post, I broadly agree that at the time Total Sport’s offer appeared to be a better option.

All I’m saying is that we may have lucked out in the end. I think in the current climate we are better off with WIN.

 

[Dennis Papaioannou]

Indeed.. It’s going to be a tough year for many sporting organisations.. They run on the smell of an oily rag at the best of times..

I think one other benefit that WIN have delivered in the past few days has been installing an outside CEO..

For the first time in the JV’s history our CEO won’t be on the board of the St George leagues club..

To quote the late great Big Kev, I’m excited!

I think an outside CEO will arrive too late to make a difference.
These are decisions that WIN should have made upon entry.
BTW Big Kev's products were ordinary.
A lot of hot wind and not much to get excited about.

 

[Dennis Papaioannou]

Without getting into the finer detail of your post, I broadly agree that at the time Total Sport’s offer appeared to be a better option.

All I’m saying is that we may have lucked out in the end. I think in the current climate we are better off with WIN.

Given our current malaise, you can't help but wonder what Total Sport would have brought to the table. I think we agree that all that is pie in the sky now.

 

[muzby]

I think an outside CEO will arrive too late to make a difference.
These are decisions that WIN should have made upon entry.

I think you’ll find the reason an internal was appointed initially was for greater continuity of operations whilst they uncovered more about their new purchase, and whilst St George learned more about their new partner.

Let’s not forget, St George were the ones who had to approve BJ’s appointment.

BTW Big Kev's products were ordinary.
A lot of hot wind and not much to get excited about.

1. You shouldn’t speak ill of the dead
2. I have no comment about his product quality, it’s his catchphrase I wanted.

 

[muzby]

Have contributed nothing of consequence so far:
1. No management expertise - we still have the same factions and barnacles entrenched in the board room.
2. No credible vision for the future.
3. Reluctance to make hard decisions and spend money - e.g. McGregor pay out.
4. Appointment of a puppet CEO who has been mostly silent and reluctant to address the key issues facing the club.

Sorry, but how are these WIN issues? At very best they are shared issues, and particularly point no.1 is a St George issue. All new barnacles from the WIN side.

5. And last but not least, NO results on the field. Lurching from one disaster to another.

Why are results on the field the fault of a media broadcaster? Wouldn’t on field performance be best tasked to a football club playing it’s 100th season?

Asking for a friend.

 

[Dennis Papaioannou]

And I thought it was a marriage made in heaven. Minus Dragons famous brand NRL would be poorer for that. And without the Dragons Illawarra would have withered long ago. And the Dragons needed Illawarra for the juniors I imagine. But thinking about how junior development is a load of crap example the chooks why did the Dragons bother. They should have just sold out to the highest bidder and buy players. Neither club is benefitting from this union we should suck it up and hold hands well bump fists and have a hug when the corona virus scare is over that is.
Love is in the air I can feel it

Even though the junior nursery has always been trotted out as Illawarra's main contribution to the JV, the reality is that if St.George had stayed independent, we still would have had access to the Illawarra nursery without the parasite..
The difference being no dilution/confusion of the club's identity and tradition.
From Saints to Dragons. Our alternate strip like a bottle of tomato sauce.
Just a back room deal that has backfired spectacularly.
Whoever agreed to do this from St. George was negligent in the extreme.
You don't tamper with an iconic sporting legacy like ours.

 

[Dennis Papaioannou]

I think you’ll find the reason an internal was appointed initially was for greater continuity of operations whilst they uncovered more about their new purchase, and whilst St George learned more about their new partner.

Let’s not forget, St George were the ones who had to approve BJ’s appointment.

1. You shouldn’t speak ill of the dead
2. I have no comment about his product quality, it’s his catchphrase I wanted.

I think your clutching at straws. The results speak for themselves.
It doesn't matter how BJ was appointed.