Women's NRL

[Eion]

Ruan Sims pretty much confirmed on 100% Footy that the players requested a smaller competition as they were looking at having games at a similar standard to the Jillaroos and NZ matches. They didn't want the drop off in quality that more teams would create.

It was put directly to her if the players requested 4 teams and she didn't deny it and proceeded to discuss the pro and cons of each team number.

She is not going to bite the hand that’s feeding her. She’s absolutely compromised as an impartial voice on this.

 

[Eion]

There are no strongest teams as players are not staying with their current teams.

Exactly. Sharks and Souths would have been absolute favourites to secure the strongest squads.

 

[unforgiven]

Exactly. Sharks and Souths would have been absolute favourites to secure the strongest squads.

why would they have been favourites to secure the strongest squads?

 

[Eion]

why would they have been favourites to secure the strongest squads?

You don’t thinks it’s likely Ruan etc would want to stay at clubs they are already settled with?

 

[siv]

Plus they had player contracts in place that assumed they would in the W-NRL squad for Souths and Cronulla

No where has it been written that a draft would occur

Plus there are still many other players required to complete a W-NRL squad

 

[kbw]

Plus they had player contracts in place that assumed they would in the W-NRL squad for Souths and Cronulla

No where has it been written that a draft would occur

Plus there are still many other players required to complete a W-NRL squad

Yes there has. No one would have had a W-NRL contract ratified by the NRL which it would have to be.
The whole premise of the comp is to spread the talent evenly across the teams playing in it.

you cold not be more wrong, everything you said is basically opposite to what is happening and outlined by the NRL at the beginning.

 

[unforgiven]

You don’t thinks it’s likely Ruan etc would want to stay at clubs they are already settled with?

Top 60 players including all Jillaroo and NZ international players are being allocated evenly to each of the participating teams. This is why the relocation costs were so important.

 

[unforgiven]

Plus they had player contracts in place that assumed they would in the W-NRL squad for Souths and Cronulla

No where has it been written that a draft would occur

Plus there are still many other players required to complete a W-NRL squad

It has been written in many places that the top 60 players will be evenly spread across the teams, now will this be in the form of a draft, I'm not sure as that has this has not be released yet.

We know there will be a system to draft the top players to clubs. This will balance the talent and prevent a team like Brisbane or the Warriors loading their side with the best Queensland or Kiwi players and blitzing the league.

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/s...g/news-story/4aea574435e7774f5c56917b1645caa3

Oh and it is a draft

The NRL today announced the 40 Australia-based players, 26 with international experience, who will make up the elite squad and whose talent will be divided among the final teams when a draft is held.

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/s...n/news-story/5be5de7c6d38eae7bb321a33a83fd4b8

 

[Eion]

Top 60 players including all Jillaroo and NZ international players are being allocated evenly to each of the participating teams. This is why the relocation costs were so important.

Not important enough for Greenberg to list it as a reason for keeping it to 4 teams. That was ‘geographical spread’ remember.

Much easier to spread the talent by stealing it off the 2teams that have actively fostered it. Merkins

 

[unforgiven]

Not important enough for Greenberg to list it as a reason for keeping it to 4 teams. That was ‘geographical spread’ remember.

Much easier to spread the talent by stealing it off the 2teams that have actively fostered it. Merkins

So no statement about your comments being factually incorrect? Remember the comment about Souths and Cronulla being the strongest teams so that is why they were not included?

 

[Eion]

So no statement about your comments being factually incorrect? Remember the comment about Souths and Cronulla being the strongest teams so that is why they were not included?

They are the strongest teams

 

[Eion]

And Greenberg is a merkin

 

[unforgiven]

They are the strongest teams

They were never guaranteed to be the strongest teams, from the time the comp was announced it was reported that the talent would be spread across all teams. I also believe that once the players requested that the comp be restricted to 4 teams Cronulla were long odds to get in as having the Cronulla region represent Sydney in an international comp just wasn't going to work.

The geographical spread argument is a valid argument, as is the wonderful job Cronulla has done is an extremely strong counter argument.

I honestly believe that the Sharks were hard done by when you consider the efforts they have put into women's rugby league, but not every decision that goes against you can be considered a conspiracy. The NRL decided the cons outweighed the pros when considering the Sharks application.

 

[Jamberoo]

My previous post answered that, they did not want to help fund player relocation. That was the main reason

There are only theee games plus a final. Most players will be from Sydney. Don’t get that relocation is the main issue.

 

[Eion]

And I disagree and submit a 4 team ‘international competition’ is a farce. They should have 6 teams, there is no compelling reason not to. And if you went for less how do the roosters get in instead of sharks or Souths?

And you’re living in fantasy land if you think the players were the casting vote for 4 teams. Ruan herself gave a mealy mouthed middle of the road answer to this saying there were pros and cons to 4,5 or 6 teams. In any event Greenberg has given entirely different bullshit reasons...so why wouldn’t we come up conspiracy theories?

 

[unforgiven]

And I disagree and submit a 4 team ‘international competition’ is a farce. They should have 6 teams, there is no compelling reason not to. And if you went for less how do the roosters get in instead of sharks or Souths?

And you’re living in fantasy land if you think the players were the casting vote for 4 teams. Ruan herself gave a mealy mouthed middle of the road answer to this saying there were pros and cons to 4,5 or 6 teams. In any event Greenberg has given entirely different bullshit reasons...so why wouldn’t we come up conspiracy theories?

It was reported before the teams were even announced that the Jillaroo players had requested the comp be restricted to 4 teams. . The geographical argument is a valid argument, A team called Sydney is much more appealing than one called Cronulla, Not sure why Souths didn't get in but I didn't see the submissions.

As I said, just because things didn't go your way doesn't make it a conspiracy. Of course her answer was middle of the road, she and the other Jillaroos had requested 4 teams only be omitted and then the team that has paid her the last few years misses out. Its not like she can say she agrees with Cronulla missing out.

 

[Eion]

Oh so now her answer was middle of the road when you posted it in the first place.

It stinks mate and nothing you’re saying is convincing me otherwise

 

[unforgiven]

Oh so now her answer was middle of the road when you posted it in the first place.

It stinks mate and nothing you’re saying is convincing me otherwise

That's because you are emotional and biased about the decision. I'm glad you are passionate enough to feel this strongly. You must be able to see that having a team called Sydney is much more likely to attract the casual female fans this comp should be chasing than a team called Cronulla would be? Sydney is much more inclusive.

This is not about giving you another team to support, its about providing opportunities for female players and creating a new avenue to attract new fans and increase engagement in the game.

I actually don't think her answer is middle of the road, she was asked directly about the players requesting 4 teams and at no point denies this, her answer is also more weighted more towards the 4 team model.

In saying that I believe that Cronulla should have been included due to their history in the women's game, but that doesn't mean that the valid arguements for the other side can be dismissed and wrapped up in conspiracy theories.

What reason could the NRL have for excluding the Sharks? other than those that have been provided.

It definitely wasn't to steal the players or exclude them because they were too strong because that wasn't a consideration as for the purpose of this competition they were not Cronulla players.

 

[Eion]

If they had of said ‘this will be a 4 team comp’ at the outset it would have been easier to accept - they knew about the talent pool before the tender process after all. If they had of come up with a ‘sydney’ team instead of handing it to the roosters (who objectively have done far less to deserve one) it would be easier to accept. If Greenberg wasn’t an out and out bullshiter with his arrogant dismissals after the event it would have been easier to accept.

This isn’t a case of just meekly accepting the umpires decision mate. It either stinks or is a shambles of a process that has alienated the most passionate that should have been involved. I don’t know if it’s corrupt or incompetent...but it’s one.

 

[T-Boon]

This isn’t a case of just meekly accepting the umpires decision mate. It either stinks or is a shambles of a process that has alienated the most passionate that should have been involved. I don’t know if it’s corrupt or incompetent...but it’s one.

So what are Cronulla going to do about it? Maybe they should organise so sort of protest at the womens state of origin.