Women's NRL

[siv]

I think youll find that Souths and Cronulla are ready to participate. Costs are not the issue

 

[Perth Red]

I think youll find that Souths and Cronulla are ready to participate. Costs are not the issue

Not according to nrl360,which I know is not the best source for reliable information! The nrl were keen on 6 club comp so why would they not accept the only other two clubs who allegedly put their hands up? On nrl360 they alleged that when the nrl insisted on clubs guaranteeing and shortfall in funding the Two withdrew.

What I don’t understand is why clubs with massive league club revenues didn’t put their hands up?
After all isn’t that the reason for a LC, to fund RL development? I can understand a titans or storm not feeling that spending their hard earned on a women’s team is a priority but surely panthers with $100million pokie revenue or eels with all its cash should have been investing some of that ill gotten gain in the sport?

 

[siv]

Again you will find that Souths and Cronulla never withdrew their applications.

Souths are on record saying they did believe Womens RL will profitable and had demanded a please explain

While Cronulla has also provided a formal response to being left out

 

[unforgiven]

Not according to nrl360,which I know is not the best source for reliable information! The nrl were keen on 6 club comp so why would they not accept the only other two clubs who allegedly put their hands up? On nrl360 they alleged that when the nrl insisted on clubs guaranteeing and shortfall in funding the Two withdrew.

What I don’t understand is why clubs with massive league club revenues didn’t put their hands up?
After all isn’t that the reason for a LC, to fund RL development? I can understand a titans or storm not feeling that spending their hard earned on a women’s team is a priority but surely panthers with $100million pokie revenue or eels with all its cash should have been investing some of that ill gotten gain in the sport?

My understanding was the players requested it remain at 4.

 

[Eion]

My understanding was the players requested it remain at 4.

My understanding is that was typical NRL spin to blame shift.

 

[AJB1102]

the nrl only put up $50k a team and insisted interested clubs cover any shortfall. Cronulla lost $2.5million last year, it’s no wonder they didn’t put their hand up for a team.

Cronulla had a $200k sponsorship locked in for their WNRL side. A company that had never had anything to do with RL. That is lost to the game now as they take their money elsewhere.

Brett Kimmorley was set to coach.

Cronulla were pissed off they didn't get a side in.

Does that sound like the actions of a club who didn't put their hand up for a team?

If you know f**kall about something its okay to say so. You don't have to provide proof like above, we'll believe you.

 

[kbw]

I do some work with people involved in both sides of the process for the selection of clubs to be involved.
While I happily post in the NRL Cave's Lol@souff section this post is not meant to be a South bashing exercise.

Souths and Cronulla did not withdraw their applications. They were rejected.
All clubs were asked the question about funding player relocation. 4 Clubs agreed to contribute, Souths and Cronulla refused.
I do not know what Cronulla's finances are like but Souths are running on a tight budget and with the light rail the Juniors would most likely be hesitant to put their hands in the pockets too much..
Souths also came in with a sense of entitlement and arrogance that did not sit well with the NRL.

I would have much preferred to have seen a 6 team competition, it may have meant spreading the talent a bit thinner but I think it would have been a worth while payoff.

The Souths NSW WRL team, or the Redfern Allblacks (as they really are) have an abundance of international players that Dean Widders and Danny Allende have developed and done a wonderful job. But they also didn't understand that they would all not necessarily be playing for Souths.

To the credit of all the elite players they have not publicly been critical but talked about the positives

 

[kbw]

The big issue was the nrl’s typical half arsed approach to this. They didn’t want to spend the necessary so have created a poxy competition that makes us look like a joke.

Where as afl made sure there was enough funds to cover teams expenses and therefore had all the clubs wanting a team, the nrl only put up $50k a team and insisted interested clubs cover any shortfall. Cronulla lost $2.5million last year, it’s no wonder they didn’t put their hand up for a team. From the commentary it sounds like the 4 clubs that got teams were the only 4 to agree to cover costs.

If the nrl had put up $150k a team like afl for 8 teams I can guarantee they would have had 16 clubs Bangingg on their door.

I do not know the exact figure but it certainly was lot more than $50K that the NRL was putting up per team. The NRL were looking at this very carefully as a showcase and have a lot riding on it.
Its easy for me to criticise the NRL's spending or lack of, but in this case the funding was good.
Also some of the applicants were looking at budgets of close to $500K,

 

[Eion]

I do not know the exact figure but it certainly was lot more than $50K that the NRL was putting up per team. The NRL were looking at this very carefully as a showcase and have a lot riding on it.
Its easy for me to criticise the NRL's spending or lack of, but in this case the funding was good.
Also some of the applicants were looking at budgets of close to $500K,

So why did the sharks and Souths miss out?

 

[kbw]

So why did the sharks and Souths miss out?

My previous post answered that, they did not want to help fund player relocation. That was the main reason

 

[Eion]

My previous post answered that, they did not want to help fund player relocation. That was the main reason

How did that work? If the sharks had a bunch of contracted players then presumably their relocation costs would not be large?

 

[kbw]

Basically most of the players playing in the NSW WRL comp are comtracted in some form.
But there are the elite that are contracted as Jillaroos or NZ Ferns. These players are to be spread across the teams participating NRL WRL. the NRL has named 40 elite players, I am not 100% clear if this includes NZ players or not.
Most likely QLD and NZ players would need to be playing with all teams in NSW and this need to be relocated.

 

[Eion]

But to hear the comments from Barry Russell and Russell Crowe... if the reason for Souths and sharks non inclusion was because they didn’t guarantee relocation costs...then that certainly wasn’t clear to them. And did the nrl go to them and say this was a deal breaker?

Plus greenberg himself said nothing about this in his rationale to the media. He said it was a geographical spread issue... but him being full of crap would be no surprise I suppose...

 

[Dragon Slayer]

It’s got Greenberg’s finger prints all over it.

He couldn’t run a chook raffle without f**king it up.

The sooner this incompetant lying fool moves aside the better.

As for the women thinking it would be better to have just 4 sides they are dillusional on what grabs the public attention.

A 4 team competition is a farce and they have narrowed the interest in it. They’ll have to learn the hard way about marketing when the first two seasons at least will be a flop.

 

[Tommy Smith]

The Eels should have a women's team with Mitch Moses as inaugural captain.

 

[no name]

I do some work with people involved in both sides of the process for the selection of clubs to be involved.
While I happily post in the NRL Cave's Lol@souff section this post is not meant to be a South bashing exercise.

Souths and Cronulla did not withdraw their applications. They were rejected.
All clubs were asked the question about funding player relocation. 4 Clubs agreed to contribute, Souths and Cronulla refused.
I do not know what Cronulla's finances are like but Souths are running on a tight budget and with the light rail the Juniors would most likely be hesitant to put their hands in the pockets too much..
Souths also came in with a sense of entitlement and arrogance that did not sit well with the NRL.

I would have much preferred to have seen a 6 team competition, it may have meant spreading the talent a bit thinner but I think it would have been a worth while payoff.

The Souths NSW WRL team, or the Redfern Allblacks (as they really are) have an abundance of international players that Dean Widders and Danny Allende have developed and done a wonderful job. But they also didn't understand that they would all not necessarily be playing for Souths.

To the credit of all the elite players they have not publicly been critical but talked about the positives

So Souths and Sharks have put in the hard yards and assembled strong squads, now the NRL wants the talent spread and the NRL wanted the clubs to contribute to player relocation costs?
And the two clubs didn’t agree they should have to pay towards getting weaker squads.

Is that the gist of it?

 

[Eion]

So Souths and Sharks have put in the hard yards and assembled strong squads, now the NRL wants the talent spread and the NRL wanted the clubs to contribute to player relocation costs?
And the two clubs didn’t agree they should have to pay towards getting weaker squads.

Is that the gist of it?

It does stink of eliminating the 2 strongest teams to get an even comp amongst 4. But rather than be honest about it and working to sort it out amongst the 6, the nrl have just come up with a pile of lies.

 

[unforgiven]

My understanding is that was typical NRL spin to blame shift.

Ruan Sims pretty much confirmed on 100% Footy that the players requested a smaller competition as they were looking at having games at a similar standard to the Jillaroos and NZ matches. They didn't want the drop off in quality that more teams would create.

It was put directly to her if the players requested 4 teams and she didn't deny it and proceeded to discuss the pro and cons of each team number.

 

[unforgiven]

It does stink of eliminating the 2 strongest teams to get an even comp amongst 4. But rather than be honest about it and working to sort it out amongst the 6, the nrl have just come up with a pile of lies.

There are no strongest teams as players are not staying with their current teams.

 

[MrBlack]

I really think the NRL are just trying to "tick a box" here with a womens league for the publicity. Not trying to be sarcastic or negative, just think they haven't thought it through enough.