Wow!! - Brett Finch incident

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Fair enough, I guess it was the alcoholism you made reference to which got my attention.

I grew up with an alcoholic father, I won't get into the deep and meaningful shit that I had to experience but I will say that I made the decision that I wouldn't ever behave like that and made the choice to simply never drink alcohol. I just think based on how I reacted to it, a few of these other "victims" could make a similar choice, knowing how it made them feel and perhaps they wouldn't want to make anyone else feel like that. That's the way I viewed it.

Maybe it's just me, who knows.

My father was a drunk. When I was a kid I decided to never drink alcohol as I didn't want to be like him.

 

[The_Frog]

Valheru said MOST paedophiles are victims of paedophilia.

It would not surprise me if this were true or at least applied to a significant percentage, but it does offer an excuse for a behaviour that is inexcusable.

 

[The Rosco]

The last paragraph is right - I’m sure nobody is excusing their actions, I’m also in the ‘lock them away from society’ camp, unless chemical castration proves to solve the issue, but I suspect it won’t, these people are mentally deranged - for them to find children sexually attractive, they’re simply not right in the head.
The question is though, should they be afforded the same liberties and support that other mental health suffers get - which is what some of the more liberal folk might decide is fair. I personally don’t. But then, it also does raise the whole question of ‘sexuality’, is peadophilia a form of mental illness, or is it a ‘born with’ sexuality? Is all sexuality other than heterosexual actually a mental illness - many would argue that as animals, our basic functions are to survive and pro-create, therefore any sexuality that goes against this is ‘not natural’….
Not my views, but there are arguments people could make on all sides - if it wasn’t so sick, it could make for interesting debate.
In a world of ever growing ‘inclusivity’, we continue to choose (rightly in my opinion) what we want to be inclusive about… religion, race, sexuality, gender choice etc etc, until we don’t like an element of it - peados, anti-vax, polygamy etc…. Some we support, some we vilify….

Chimp . . . your last paragraph should be a part of high school curriculum. And every entitled wanker should be forced to read and discuss it.
150 likes to you. Merry Christmas.

 

[Valheru]

Exposing your ignorance there. Child sex offenders / paedophiles are not victims . Do some research before you post anymore misinformation.

Get f**ked williow.

Talk to any social worker or psychologist. It is a risk factor and your attitude is the reason such things can't be openly discussed.

 

[Valheru]

Why does this keep coming back to a defensive stance? That's irrelevant. The argument (I thought) was most victims of child abuse turn into child abusers themselves. The research posted doesn't support this. It was just a random post, unsourced, from someone with NFI.

Moreover, such an attitude has the potential to further stigmatise actual victims.

Time to let it go.

See that's the problem you have Willow, your thought is wrong. No one said most victims of child abuse turn into abusers themselves merely that most pedos were victims themselves. They are totally different statements.

Your ignorance on this issue speaks volumes.

 

[Valheru]

It's not an excuse or a reason, it's a poor choice.

You as the individual have the ability to make smart decisions, you don't have to live that life that was inflicted upon you as a child (not you specifically, just generally saying people have the ability to make better decisions). Doing something because that's what happened to you or whatever the case may be, that's a cop out and subsequently a terrible decision.

That's too simplistic a view. The ones that were abused themselves aren't merely doing it because it was done to them. Sexual abuse on a child is severe trauma and severe trauma f**ks you up in ways that most can't understand.

Of course there are a tonne of examples of victims not becoming perpetrators, I would suggest way more than the other way around and those people have manifested or dealt with their trauma in a different way. It could be something as simple ad a more solid family foundation as opposed to removal from their parents and being put in to the foster system for example.

 

[Knight76]

Fair enough, I guess it was the alcoholism you made reference to which got my attention.

I grew up with an alcoholic father, I won't get into the deep and meaningful shit that I had to experience but I will say that I made the decision that I wouldn't ever behave like that and made the choice to simply never drink alcohol. I just think based on how I reacted to it, a few of these other "victims" could make a similar choice, knowing how it made them feel and perhaps they wouldn't want to make anyone else feel like that. That's the way I viewed it.

Maybe it's just me, who knows.

No, my father was also an alcoholic and I made the same choice. It's not that I never drink alcohol, just very rarely and never to excess. 1 and done most times.

My view wasn't so much that I wouldn't want anyone else to feel like that, but that I would allow myself to become that.

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

Misperceptions about child sex offenders

www.aic.gov.au

Theres the quick insight on the topic.

I don’t think it’s constructive to make any assumption that pedos were once victims themselves.

It seems to me as a question of fact, it is a strictly case by case basis.

To this author, cause and effect, some kind of understandable neat theory, simply has no foundation. And sometimes in the world, we have to make do with the inexplicable. Not everything follows on, try as we might.

Some of the other observations in the article are especially sobering.

 

[Willow]

But some are , thats not an opinion , thats a fact.
Do you want to go there ?

Some are not most. Read back.

 

[Willow]

It would not surprise me if this were true or at least applied to a significant percentage, but it does offer an excuse for a behaviour that is inexcusable.

IMHO, with any topic it makes more sense to look for facts from experts in the field, not some random on the internet. It's particulaly important when the subject matter is of a serious nature.

P.S. I was referring to the claim that most paedophiles were themselves victims. No doubt some are (according sources provided by others), but to say that most, or all, are victims of paedophilia is ill-informed and has the potential to further stigmatise victims.

 

[Willow]

The elephant in the room is that most pedos were themselves victims of paedophilia but no one really wants to talk about that.

Just a reminder of your post. Still no source to back up your claim that MOST 'pedos' were themselves victims.

And people are OK to talk about it. Problem is, when the debate happens, your response is... well, see below.

It's unfortunate, I was hoping to see some valid research from yourself. Until you can do so, your claim remains as hearsay at best.

Get f**ked williow.

Talk to any social worker or psychologist. It is a risk factor and your attitude is the reason such things can't be openly discussed.

I am openly discussing it. Are you? Your response is to cry "get f**ked". You have a weird way of keeping the discussion open.

 

[Valheru]

I’d be curious to see a study that backs up your claim.

From what I can find, the estimates vary dramatically (from about 20% to 70%), but add the disclaimer that this is based on self reporting, and that perpetrators of CSA may create stories about or exaggerate their own experiences to evoke sympathy while in treatment.

This one in particular references polygraph testing, where self reporting numbers dropped to 29% when the polygraph was introduced to the study.

Misperceptions about child sex offenders

www.aic.gov.au

Here is one mate

Cycle of child sexual abuse: Links between being a victim and becoming a perpetrator | The British Journal of Psychiatry | Cambridge Core

Cycle of child sexual abuse: Links between being a victim and becoming a perpetrator - Volume 179 Issue 6

www.cambridge.org

Doesn't seem to be an issue in females but it is a high risk factor for males.

 

[Valheru]

Just a reminder of your post. Still no source to back up your claim that MOST 'pedos' were themselves victims.

And people are OK to talk about it. Problem is, when the debate happens, your response is... well, see below.

It's unfortunate, I was hoping to see some valid research from yourself. Until you can do so, your claim remains as hearsay at best.

I am openly discussing it. Are you? Your response is to cry "get f**ked". You have a weird way of keeping the discussion open.

Here is a study if you are interested.

Fair enough I should have posted a link earlier

Cycle of child sexual abuse: Links between being a victim and becoming a perpetrator | The British Journal of Psychiatry | Cambridge Core

Cycle of child sexual abuse: Links between being a victim and becoming a perpetrator - Volume 179 Issue 6

www.cambridge.org

 

[Smug Panther]

I was touched up as a kid. It's a bullshit nonsense excuse

 

[baselinepanther]

Some are not most. Read back.

lets read back what you wrote

" child sex offenders are not victims "

absurdly inaccurate

 

[Vee]

I was touched up as a kid. It's a

 

[Willow]

Here is a study if you are interested.

Fair enough I should have posted a link earlier

Cycle of child sexual abuse: Links between being a victim and becoming a perpetrator | The British Journal of Psychiatry | Cambridge Core

Cycle of child sexual abuse: Links between being a victim and becoming a perpetrator - Volume 179 Issue 6

www.cambridge.org

Thank you. I'll read it later.

 

[Willow]

lets read back what you wrote

" child sex offenders are not victims "

absurdly inaccurate

It was in response to a previous post. Please try to keep it in that context.

 

[baselinepanther]

It was in response to a previous post. Please try to keep it in that context.

Then it was poorly written , it should have said ,
" most child sex offenders are not victims " , then you might have had a point

 

[Willow]

Then it was poorly written , it should have said ,
" most child sex offenders are not victims " , then you might have had a point

Sure, you're right.