Wow!! - Brett Finch incident

[Rabbit toes]

Thank you for your reply. Attempt at humour (?) Noted.

Mum thinks I’m funny

 

[baselinepanther]

until we know what he said about what was posted among that group of men , well im not over reacting like some on here.

The police have deemed it serious enough to press charges , but for me even thats not enough. 18 Year old boys get pics of their 17 year old GF's tits & the police press charges , the boy gets convicted has a criminal record & is put on the sexual offenders register for anywhere from 8 years to life.

That doesn't make the boy a pedo but hes treated like one.
The obvious difference is Finch is a 40 year old man & if he made disgusting comments about an under age girl then he deserves to be convicted , & put on the register .
But
that doesn't make him a pedo , a dickhead for sure
but in my mind what he is alleged to have done , & what some of these sick f..cks do is worlds apart.

 

[baselinepanther]

Look at the post from SBD82. Valheru is talking from a point of ignorance. It pays to do a little research before making random posts.

the research states the percentage of pedos who claim to be victims themselves , drops from 70% to 29% when the claim is put under the scrutiny of a polygraph test

but
29% are still victims themselves making Val's point valid.

 

[Willow]

the research states the percentage of pedos who claim to be victims themselves , drops from 70% to 29% when the claim is put under the scrutiny of a polygraph test

but
29% are still victims themselves making Val's point valid.

Valheru said MOST paedophiles are victims of paedophilia.

 

[soc123_au]

Valheru said MOST paedophiles are victims of paedophilia.

To be fair it seems in comparison to rest of the population it seems that a victim of sexual abuse as a child is more likely to become an offender than someone who wasn't a victim. I'm not for one second suggesting that they shouldn't be punished exactly the same as anyone else, but it does bear thinking that something needs to be done to prevent the cycle when a young victim is identified. What though I have no idea.

 

[Colk]

The only people who use the expression these days are people using it as an insult. What is this "movement" you speak of? As with most things the majority of people do the right thing by trying to treat people equally and support minorities etc. It's only the people at the extremes who are trying to "ruin" it for everyone.

That’s pretty much human history as well

 

[blaza88z]

I think you got it wrong Willow. I don't think he is disputing the disgraceful behaviour of paedophiles but bringing up the concept of it self perpetuating. Bit like alcoholism in some ways. Its not an excuse but a reason in some instances.

Don't get me wrong either I probably lean to a lead based solution for paedophiles.

It's not an excuse or a reason, it's a poor choice.

You as the individual have the ability to make smart decisions, you don't have to live that life that was inflicted upon you as a child (not you specifically, just generally saying people have the ability to make better decisions). Doing something because that's what happened to you or whatever the case may be, that's a cop out and subsequently a terrible decision.

 

[Smug Panther]

It's not an excuse or a reason, it's a poor choice.

You as the individual have the ability to make smart decisions, you don't have to live that life that was inflicted upon you as a child (not you specifically, just generally saying people have the ability to make better decisions). Doing something because that's what happened to you or whatever the case may be, that's a cop out and subsequently a terrible decision.

The sexual attraction to kids can never be stopped. Paedophiles need to be humanly killed or locked up without parole. The fact that our society doesn't deal with it this way is f**king disgusting

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Look at the post from SBD82. Valheru is talking from a point of ignorance. It pays to do a little research before making random posts.

This report says the data is inconsistent.

Misperceptions about child sex offenders

www.aic.gov.au

 

[baselinepanther]

Valheru said MOST paedophiles are victims of paedophilia.

and you said none are victims , thats not correct either

 

[Willow]

To be fair it seems in comparison to rest of the population it seems that a victim of sexual abuse as a child is more likely to become an offender than someone who wasn't a victim. I'm not for one second suggesting that they shouldn't be punished exactly the same as anyone else, but it does bear thinking that something needs to be done to prevent the cycle when a young victim is identified. What though I have no idea.

Why does this keep coming back to a defensive stance? That's irrelevant. The argument (I thought) was most victims of child abuse turn into child abusers themselves. The research posted doesn't support this. It was just a random post, unsourced, from someone with NFI.

Moreover, such an attitude has the potential to further stigmatise actual victims.

Time to let it go.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

The sexual attraction to kids can never be stopped. Paedophiles need to be humanly killed or locked up without parole. The fact that our society doesn't deal with it this way is f**king disgusting

Confine them to a maximum security institution so they cannot reoffend. Give them a pack of crayons and recycled notepaper to scribble on and a Tonka Truck. If they're really well behaved then let them have a fully supervised tea party with a non-binary genderless cabbage patch doll that identifies as Bob Katter for five minutes a day.

Daniel Morcombe would still be alive if the mongrel who murdered him was locked up for life after what he did to a child in the Northern Territory.

 

[blaza88z]

It's disgusting how they are allowed to get out in our community after offending previously

 

[Willow]

and you said none are victims , thats not correct either

No.
I said child sex offenders are not victims. Do you really want to go there?

 

[10$ Ferret]

It's not an excuse or a reason, it's a poor choice.

You as the individual have the ability to make smart decisions, you don't have to live that life that was inflicted upon you as a child (not you specifically, just generally saying people have the ability to make better decisions). Doing something because that's what happened to you or whatever the case may be, that's a cop out and subsequently a terrible decision.

Some people are incapable of making the choice due to being damaged, I think I didn't convey my point well. I consider there a huge difference between a reason and an excuse. I am sure plenty try to use it as an excuse to defend the indefensible. I wasn't I was saying this may well be a reason in some cases to why someone is a paedophile. In my opinion once someone has harmed a child then there is no return and probably lead (bullet) is the cure.. Please don't think my comments are in any way supporting these creatures.
I think the original comment has got us talking and reasonably sensibly too. Which is not a bad thing.

 

[Chimp]

Some people are incapable of making the choice due to being damaged, I think I didn't convey my point well. I consider there a huge difference between a reason and an excuse. I am sure plenty try to use it as an excuse to defend the indefensible. I wasn't I was saying this may well be a reason in some cases to why someone is a paedophile. In my opinion once someone has harmed a child then there is no return and probably lead (bullet) is the cure.. Please don't think my comments are in any way supporting these creatures.
I think the original comment has got us talking and reasonably sensibly too. Which is not a bad thing.

The last paragraph is right - I’m sure nobody is excusing their actions, I’m also in the ‘lock them away from society’ camp, unless chemical castration proves to solve the issue, but I suspect it won’t, these people are mentally deranged - for them to find children sexually attractive, they’re simply not right in the head.
The question is though, should they be afforded the same liberties and support that other mental health suffers get - which is what some of the more liberal folk might decide is fair. I personally don’t. But then, it also does raise the whole question of ‘sexuality’, is peadophilia a form of mental illness, or is it a ‘born with’ sexuality? Is all sexuality other than heterosexual actually a mental illness - many would argue that as animals, our basic functions are to survive and pro-create, therefore any sexuality that goes against this is ‘not natural’….
Not my views, but there are arguments people could make on all sides - if it wasn’t so sick, it could make for interesting debate.
In a world of ever growing ‘inclusivity’, we continue to choose (rightly in my opinion) what we want to be inclusive about… religion, race, sexuality, gender choice etc etc, until we don’t like an element of it - peados, anti-vax, polygamy etc…. Some we support, some we vilify….

 

[blaza88z]

Some people are incapable of making the choice due to being damaged, I think I didn't convey my point well. I consider there a huge difference between a reason and an excuse. I am sure plenty try to use it as an excuse to defend the indefensible. I wasn't I was saying this may well be a reason in some cases to why someone is a paedophile. In my opinion once someone has harmed a child then there is no return and probably lead (bullet) is the cure.. Please don't think my comments are in any way supporting these creatures.
I think the original comment has got us talking and reasonably sensibly too. Which is not a bad thing.

Fair enough, I guess it was the alcoholism you made reference to which got my attention.

I grew up with an alcoholic father, I won't get into the deep and meaningful shit that I had to experience but I will say that I made the decision that I wouldn't ever behave like that and made the choice to simply never drink alcohol. I just think based on how I reacted to it, a few of these other "victims" could make a similar choice, knowing how it made them feel and perhaps they wouldn't want to make anyone else feel like that. That's the way I viewed it.

Maybe it's just me, who knows.

 

[GreenMachine121]

What does Anthony Minichiello have to do with this discussion?

Best mates with finch

 

[baselinepanther]

No.
I said child sex offenders are not victims. Do you really want to go there?

But some are , thats not an opinion , thats a fact.
Do you want to go there ?

 

[baselinepanther]

And I'm not saying that , that is any excuse to abuse themselves , that's a completely different discussion.