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WWE SuperThread II *Spoilers*

Big Pete

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The Rock n Roll Express were inducted sometime ago and weren't even known for their time in the WWE. I'm not really a fan either, I think the Outlaws, X-Pac and Chyna deserved to be remembered seperately, but this feels like an easy way to honour Chyna while getting one more DX skit in. Which really that's what the Hall of Fame is about, it's a show that trades on fans nostalgia, it really isn't a lifetime achievement.
 

Valheru

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Agree that they deserve to be there on their own merit but the horseman have been inducted and I don't have any problem with the idea of teams and/or groups going in.
 
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raw was actually pretty good. not sure how i feel about four NXT guys coming up at the same time (kinda reduces the wow factor for each of them) but they all had a reasonable crack and looked good in their matches. cornette said he'd be watching this raw, so can't wait to see what he thinks

the main event with ruby riot and ronda was also surprisingly good. wasn't a long match but they worked really well together. left wanting more which is an unusual thing to say about the wwe over the last 5 years
 
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The Rock n Roll Express were inducted sometime ago and weren't even known for their time in the WWE. I'm not really a fan either, I think the Outlaws, X-Pac and Chyna deserved to be remembered seperately, but this feels like an easy way to honour Chyna while getting one more DX skit in. Which really that's what the Hall of Fame is about, it's a show that trades on fans nostalgia, it really isn't a lifetime achievement.
With guys like the Rock & Roll Express, while they were really only in the WWF for that bog average NWA program, they were in a lot of companies that the WWE eventually bought (WCW) or for who they own the IP & tape library (Mid-South, JCP, WCCW, SMW). Realistically, since there will never be a HOF for any of those companies, the WWE are probably the best place to honour those people. I know there are other HOF’s, but for mainstream recognition and the ability to keep their names out in the greater public eye the WWE HOF would probably be the best place.
 

Big Pete

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I was glad they inducted the Rock n Roll Express, but it goes to show that their heart is in the right place and they're not looking to find ways to celebrate the same careers over and over again.
 
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What are everyone's thoughts about Kofi's push in the past week? In the space of 7 days he's gone from a solid mid carder in an excellent tag team/stable to the most over guy on the roster. I think there's a great chance he gets the belt at Mania. Glad they'll pull the trigger on him, although they should have done this in 2010.
 

AusKnightRKO

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What are everyone's thoughts about Kofi's push in the past week? In the space of 7 days he's gone from a solid mid carder in an excellent tag team/stable to the most over guy on the roster. I think there's a great chance he gets the belt at Mania. Glad they'll pull the trigger on him, although they should have done this in 2010.

He absolutely deserves it, been there for a decade, and never been given that massive chance to shine on the biggest stage. It’s not like he doesn’t have the talent to do so, he lacks a little in the promo department but makes up for it with a ton of charisma.
 

mackdadday

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Raw felt fresh with those NXT boys although the crowd were dead for most of the night. All of them looked very good.
 

Valheru

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What are everyone's thoughts about Kofi's push in the past week? In the space of 7 days he's gone from a solid mid carder in an excellent tag team/stable to the most over guy on the roster. I think there's a great chance he gets the belt at Mania. Glad they'll pull the trigger on him, although they should have done this in 2010.

Deserves his shot

He is a very good worker.

He would just do well to not cross Randy Orton though, it's taken him 9 years to recover from the last time he did so.
 

nöyd

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he lacks a little in the promo department but makes up for it with a ton of charisma.

it's amazing that promos are seen as a weak point for him because he talks the most flawless and savage smack on UpDownDown (Xavier Wood's youtube gaming channel for those not aware).
 
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Deserves his shot

He is a very good worker.

He would just do well to not cross Randy Orton though, it's taken him 9 years to recover from the last time he did so.

To be fair The New Day have been treated and featured well for 3 years, he's done well for himself since the Randy incident, but he never got that big singles push he deserves. He was unfortunate to be there at a time when Cena was at his best, Orton was at his best, Punk had his run, and even guys like Taker, Michaels, HHH & Edge wound down their careers meaning there was limited chance for WWE to really go all in on a younger face.
 

Big Pete

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That whole situation surrounding Kofi's push in 2009 highlighted just how dire the creative was back then. They needed to give Randy Orton something to do since they had run his program with Cena into the ground, so they gave him Kofi Kingston who just finished up a run as US Champion. Over the course of their feud, Kofi started getting over, but since that wasn't the original plan, they did nothing with Kofi and just let him fritter away in all these multi-men clusters.

I don't blame the WWE for not putting the title on Kofi back then. Sure, it was weird that they were more than happy to go with an Irish Stereotype as champion, and not a Jamaican one, but neither guy should have been in that role. However, they should have done something with Kofi's momentum coming out of that Orton feud and put him in more angles. Everybody says it, but it's amazing they have all these writers and yet still can't come up with angles up and down the card. And usually when they do, the angles suck. A farting gimmick? A travel agent gimmick? The Bellas mistaking vegan for virgin? WTF.

I'm just glad now that the New Day have been rewarded for all their hard work and we finally get to see them in a main event program on a Network Special.
 
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That whole situation surrounding Kofi's push in 2009 highlighted just how dire the creative was back then. They needed to give Randy Orton something to do since they had run his program with Cena into the ground, so they gave him Kofi Kingston who just finished up a run as US Champion. Over the course of their feud, Kofi started getting over, but since that wasn't the original plan, they did nothing with Kofi and just let him fritter away in all these multi-men clusters.

I don't blame the WWE for not putting the title on Kofi back then. Sure, it was weird that they were more than happy to go with an Irish Stereotype as champion, and not a Jamaican one, but neither guy should have been in that role. However, they should have done something with Kofi's momentum coming out of that Orton feud and put him in more angles. Everybody says it, but it's amazing they have all these writers and yet still can't come up with angles up and down the card. And usually when they do, the angles suck. A farting gimmick? A travel agent gimmick? The Bellas mistaking vegan for virgin? WTF.

I'm just glad now that the New Day have been rewarded for all their hard work and we finally get to see them in a main event program on a Network Special.

To me Kofi's feud with Randy/Legacy was good, he did some of his best work to date there and showed he belonged in the top tier. Raw was always going to be tough for him to crack the main event but in 2010 (which was dominated by Cena/Nexus with guys like Randy & Sheamus having stints with the belt before Miz won the title in late December) Smackdown had guys like Kane, Rey & Jack Swagger hold the main title, it's not like Kofi would have been a step down on any of those guys. His promo game in 2009/10 was underrated, although it's probably even better now.

That said he's got the shot at fast lane, unless he loses due to shenanigans (like Harper joining the vegan army), he's probably not getting the Mania shot, although nobody else stands out. If he can hold his momentum until fastlane and get more huge reactions he's got to get the shot at Mania. If he maintains the momentum through to April he probably gets the title (although I can't see him holding it for more than 1-2 months).
 

Big Pete

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I just realised how poorly written my post was. I didn't intend to come across as critical of the feud, moreso it's function. I believe the best feuds are the ones that benefit both parties. Where even the loser ends up higher on the pecking order than where they started. My issue with Orton/Kofi is that in hindsight, it had no ramifications beyond keeping Orton busy for a few months.

I agree that Kofi could have easily had a run with the title on SmackDown, but I don't think it would have been what was best for Kingston either. Jack Swagger is actually an excellent example here. When Swagger first came onto the scene in ECW in 2008, he became a genuine prospect for the WWE as this legitimate grappler who was making strides in the ring. His work with Christian and Matt Hardy at the time was a highlight and it seemed like in a year or two's time he could become an actual star for the company.

Instead of being careful with the character and maximising Swagger's star potential, Vince was lazy and reckless. Suddenly Swagger found himself on Raw with no real angle and his utility on the show was to highlight how stunning Eve Torres was. Swagger deserved better, but the way the WWE transitioned from that to making him the World Champion was so abrupt it hurt Swagger.

What Swagger and Kofi needed was another angle to solidify themselves as stars. For Swagger that may have meant beating all-comers as the US Champion and doing that Eagle shtick he wound up doing as World Champion. For Kofi that may have meant working a program with Sheamus or even Big Zeke.

However, the WWE was in a strange, strange place at the time and was more repetitive than it is nowadays. To paint a picture, we're talking about the Celebrity Guest General Manger phase, where every episode Chavo Guerrero Jr, Jillian Hall, Hornswaggle, Chris Masters etc. would get caught up in shenanigans and the show would typically end with Chris Jericho getting his bell rung. I wouldn't even necessarily call it bad TV, it just wasn't an era where they were looking to rebuild the show.

As an aside, I had no problem with Rey Mysterio being champion and wish he had a proper reign with the belt. One of the greatest in-ring performers of all-time who had been an important part of SmackDown for years and he never got the run he deserved. I don't think anybody should have had the reign he had in 2010, as a transitional champion for Kane's eventual run. It was odd, but after Jeff bailed (and was later busted...extremely suspicious timing) Vince made SmackDown The Undertaker's show, so this was clearly designed with that in mind.

After hearing Kofi Kingston on the E&C show, it bums me out we never got a proper Edge & Kofi program.
 

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