WWE SuperThread *Spoilers*

[pennywisealfie]

Team Brickie!!!

 

[Valheru]

From what I read this week’s show is basically built around setting up Punk/Undertaker. In the main even Punk beat Sheamus, Big Show and Orton in a fatal 4 way for the “right” to challenge the streak at mania after all 4 started the show telling us why it should be them. In between Cena/Rock had their first in ring promo for this program and HHH challenged Brock for Mania. Other than that, not much else seemed to happen.

 

[DB]

Hey, the New Age Outlaws wrestled, and we nearly saw the in ring debut of Fandango

 

[RedVGooner]

I just don't get how CM Punk gets taken off the title picture just like that you showcase the Rock Vs Cena match. That match has happened and its not really appealing this time around and for CM Punk to go into a match with the Undertaker with really no storyline is really disappointing but that's what you get with the creative team

 

[WYD]

Rock Vs Cena will draw with the casual fan which is all they care about for WM.

 

[Scott Gourley's Lovechild]

Still cant get over the piledriver from last week.

 

[WYD]

On that point.

People defending WWE's weak moveset on the basis that it's special when you see something unique is a crock of shit. Just sell the moves properly, the fans won't get burnt out from finisher-athons because if you're selling properly you won't be getting up in the first place. Puro style is not overkill, WWE style is underkill.

 

[Big Pete]

On that basis, sure, but on the basis of safety I'm fine with it.

In fact, a problem I have is the excess of time the WWE devote to meaningless matches. Television should be the time to get personalities, angles and spots over. Don't get me wrong, it's fine to put on a good match, but it has to mean something.

 

[Misanthrope]

I don't know that I agree. I watch wrestling to see wrestling. I'm sick of undercard squashes followed by the same few main event matches in rotation.

 

[Big Pete]

The WWE don't consider themselves a rasslin company though.

At the moment, they're like a compromise of both and it barely works.

 

[Scott Gourley's Lovechild]

If TNA could get rid of what I like to call the "black hole of stupid" aka whenever Hulk or Brooke Hogan appear on TV, the WWE could be in trouble with the 14+ age group.

 

[Big Pete]

Why? It's not like they're competing head to head.

 

[Scott Gourley's Lovechild]

On that point.

People defending WWE's weak moveset on the basis that it's special when you see something unique is a crock of shit. Just sell the moves properly, the fans won't get burnt out from finisher-athons because if you're selling properly you won't be getting up in the first place. Puro style is not overkill, WWE style is underkill.

I think it has more to do with knowing that outside of Undertaker, Kane, and Mick Foley, the piledriver is banned in the WWE, particularly the traditional style that CM Punk used.

 

[Scott Gourley's Lovechild]

Why? It's not like they're competing head to head.

True, but if older fans knew that outside of the main event they weren't going to get very sugary lower card matches which mean nothing, then they could get behind it. But TNA is at least 5 years from that of no stupid BS, and with Hogan around...

 

[Big Pete]

It could certainly increase TNA's viewership. However, I don't think it'd hurt the WWE's business at all.

Impact is where it needs to be at the moment.

 

[WYD]

On that basis, sure, but on the basis of safety I'm fine with it.

In fact, a problem I have is the excess of time the WWE devote to meaningless matches. Television should be the time to get personalities, angles and spots over. Don't get me wrong, it's fine to put on a good match, but it has to mean something.

I can see the argument in reducing neck dropping moves for safety reason but in the right spots they can add something to a match. The one gripe I have is chair shots, if there are no headshots there should be no chairs. Either use the Japan chairs that give upon impact or stop using them.

For people to buy into any of this it has to be presented as an athletic contest, there's a place in wrestling for stiff workers. Part of what I liked so much about MiSu/Tanahashi match was MiSu sell Tanahashi's weak forearms for what they were.

You've gotta build in wrestling, booking 101. The idea is to build feuds and establish talent, WWE does not do a good job at this. I've got no problems with promos if they're going somewhere. Talent is not protected and overexposed. WWE write their shows week to week, that was a pathetic build to the Punk/Taker match, especially considering how much effort HHH put into the booking last year.

 

[Big Pete]

I can see the argument in reducing neck dropping moves for safety reason but in the right spots they can add something to a match.

I agree which is why it was so well received in the Punk/Cena match on Raw. It should be saved for a match of that stature and not just thrown out there willy nilly in a Orton match against a European.

For people to buy into any of this it has to be presented as an athletic contest, there's a place in wrestling for stiff workers.

Certainly there's a place for those type of workers. Ever since Vince Jr. took over, the WWE has always tried to portray themselves as 'sports entertainment' and if they want to do that, that's fine. I don't mind if they don't strive for ***** matches every week - let another company do that. However, they do need to come up with well thought out storylines, gimmicks and angles and right now, they're not doing that.

The whole creative process needs addressing. Too many chefs in the kitchen all being lead by a man who is completely out of touch with pop-culture. If they cut it back to a core team of 8 writers and treated the product like an ensemble HBO show I believe the product would finally feel relevant.

 

[afinalsin666]

I agree which is why it was so well received in the Punk/Cena match on Raw. It should be saved for a match of that stature and not just thrown out there willy nilly in a Orton match against a European.



Certainly there's a place for those type of workers. Ever since Vince Jr. took over, the WWE has always tried to portray themselves as 'sports entertainment' and if they want to do that, that's fine. I don't mind if they don't strive for ***** matches every week - let another company do that. However, they do need to come up with well thought out storylines, gimmicks and angles and right now, they're not doing that.

The whole creative process needs addressing. Too many chefs in the kitchen all being lead by a man who is completely out of touch with pop-culture. If they cut it back to a core team of 8 writers and treated the product like an ensemble HBO show I believe the product would finally feel relevant.

Damn it Pete, I was trying to figure out what swear word you used for like a minute.

The biggest problem I have is that the heels never, eeeeeeeeeeevvvvvveeeerrrr look good, let alone win. You would have to imagine the face/heel win ratio would be about 6:1. The face overcoming the heel dynamic has completely flipped. The heels lose on live tv, to finally overcome the faces on a ppv. It doesn't make sense.

 

[Scott Gourley's Lovechild]

The Rock has done a runner. Apparently he was supposed to do an angle setting up a feud with Brock Lesnar going forward, but instead hopped on a plane back home. Not sure if there is any ulterior reasons.

 

[nöyd]

injured apparently, torn abdomen or something