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Y.N.W.A Thread III: Enter 'The Normal One'

Jack_Napier

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Was a tad annoying but we at least got a point which was more than I was expecting before the game.

Still don't see what Lallana brings to us apart from his pressing. Would like to see Klopp change up the midfield and attack by trying to fit Studge, Manè, Firmino and Couts all in the starting line up.
 

cb4

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I saw Mane's disallowed goal but they allowed the goal to those twigs. Disappointing. Easily the better team again but couldn't finish.
Was impressed by Matip.
Milner needs to sack off the Left Back experiment.
Not buying fullback cover will hurt us.
Still, Arsenal, Burnley and Tottenham away and 4 points, I am ok with it. Probably would have thought the 3 would have come from Burnley so I guess it is a passable achievement.

Game aside, if no one else comes in I am labelling this transfer window a fail.
 

saint.nick

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I'm reluctant to call a transfer window a fail until enough time is allowed to judge whether the signings have been effective for the team or not.

I agree with the Mane disallowed goal though. How on f**king earth could the linesman have possibly judged whether he was offside or not? It was a pure guess. If you're going to make guesses, give benefit of the doubt to the attacking team.
 

saint.nick

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Also, I want to see Can and Grujic in midfield before I decide whether we needed another mid in the window or not
 

thorson1987

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Balo gone on a free to Nice. Shame we didn't get anything for him but glad he is off the books. Was kinda hopeful when he signed for us. Bloke has so much talent but has just wasted it. Lazy prick.

Also Sakho has dug his heels in and refused to go out on loan.
 
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This transfer window can be summed up in one word.

Fail.

I think you are overly pessimistic CB. I would not call the signings of Klavan, Matip nor Sane fails yet your one word assessment you would. Mine would be "ok, but could have been better".
 
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saint.nick

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This transfer window can be summed up in one word.

Fail.
Can we not just see how the season pans out before casting judgement on the transfer window?

I still remember when United 'won' the summer window last year...
 

Lemon Squash

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I don't think it was every Klopps intention of spending big this window, we just needed to trim down on the squad as a whole and try and keep the cream and add in a few more players to key positions, which I think he has done in the most part.

Very surprised and quite disappointed we didn't sign a LB though.
 

thorson1987

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Apparent reasons why Sakho in the bad books.

Quoted from another page:

"Just heard on talksport some reasons Klopp wants Sakho gone. He missed the team flight to the usa, missed a physio session, missed a team dinner, missed a training session, interpreted an interview Klopp was giving, took fat burning supplements that the club didn't know about (but he's contractually bound to let them know about supplements) and he's taking these supplements because he eats badly and won't eat the food at Melwood. So there you have it."
 
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Apparent reasons why Sakho in the bad books.

Yep. The following article from ESPNFC spells it all out in clear detail -

Liverpool's Mamadou Sakho needs to prove himself after choosing to stay
By Glenn Price, Liverpool correspondent

Handing Jurgen Klopp a new six-year contract this summer was the biggest indication that Liverpool's American owners, Fenway Sports Group, would back their manager wholeheartedly, allowing him to do what he felt was necessary to get the club back to the top.

Since then, the Liverpool boss has laid down the law -- both stylistically and in terms of discipline -- at Anfield. Indeed, he's been ruthless in doing so. It is clear that if a player does not fit into his desired system they are to be shipped out.

Joe Allen departed Merseyside for Stoke City, despite arguably being Liverpool's best player towards the end of the previous campaign. Klopp wanted more physical presence and goalscoring from his central midfield, so out went the diminutive Wales international and in came Marko Grujic and Georginio Wijnaldum.

More important for Klopp, however, was removing players whom he felt were affecting the team spirit he has worked so hard to build.

Mario Balotelli, a player well known for causing disharmony throughout his career, was told early in the summer that he did not have a future at the club. He was not placed in the shop window in any of Liverpool's nine friendlies over the summer and was left behind to train with the under-23 side when the first-team travelled to the United States on tour. It was Klopp's way, or no way. Balotelli eventually left for French side Nice on transfer deadline day, with the Reds receiving no transfer fee.

On the U.S. tour, Klopp also banished another player who presented a threat to the harmony within his camp. Mamadou Sakho was a regular in the starting XI and a fans' favourite, but that didn't stop Klopp from acting.

After he almost missed the outbound flight to America, missed a treatment session on his injured Achilles, then turned up late for a meal, Sakho soon found himself on a plane heading back across the Atlantic alongside Brad Smith, a young left-back sent home to secure a loan move to Bournemouth.

"I have to build a group here, we have to start new here," Klopp said in California. "We have some rules and we have to respect them. If somebody doesn't respect it or somebody gives me the feeling he is not respecting it then I have to react."

Sakho's mind had clearly been elsewhere. He was suspended for 30 days by UEFA in April for failing a drug test after reportedly taking the fat burner Higenamine, a banned substance, but escaped further sanctions when UEFA confirmed it would not extend his punishment.

The Frenchman and his legal team maintained his innocence throughout the ordeal, believing Higenamine should not have been deemed a banned substance in the first place, but that didn't change the fact he was doing something outside of club rules as all players are required to consult the team doctor on consuming medication and supplements.

As a result, Sakho missed Liverpool's Europa League final defeat to Sevilla, a competition in which he played an integral role in, and, in addition, was left out of Didier Deschamps' France squad for this summer's European Championship in his homeland.

And, as the transfer deadline edged closer, it became clear that Liverpool wanted to send Sakho out on loan in order to get his career back on track. The club wanted him to prove his professionalism; Sakho did not agree with the Liverpool hierarchy's sentiments.

After turning down the chance to join Stoke City on a season-long loan, a source close to the club told ESPN FC that Liverpool gave Sakho an ultimatum: leave now to save your career. But the player did not heed the warning, going on to reject further offers from West Bromwich Albion and Turkish side Besiktas.

Now he is at Liverpool for another six months at least.

The club's summer business means that Sakho faces tough competition for regular game-time. On top of already established first-choice Dejan Lovren, the signings of centre-backs Joel Matip -- fully expected to be a starter -- and the veteran Ragnar Klavan from the Bundesliga have swelled the numbers. Even Lucas Leiva, now deemed to be a central defender by Klopp, is above Sakho in the pecking order.

Estonia captain Klavan was labelled "the most professional I have worked with" by his international manager, while Lucas, the club's longest-serving player, is seen as the perfect role model for youngsters.

Lucas is recovering from a hamstring injury sustained in the preseason and has only made a 45-minute cameo the U23 side so far this season. But in that game against Arsenal's youngsters at the Emirates Stadium last month, he showed what he can bring and ran the length of the pitch to celebrate one of 16-year-old Ben Woodburn's goals before motivating his teammates from the dugout in the second half.

"I've got to say, he is a real, real class act," U23 manager Michael Beale told ESPN FC afterwards. "He sat behind me and gave me feedback on the young players and what he sees. I would take a thousand Lucas Leivas, that's for sure."

So where does that leave Sakho?

After refusing to move on loan during the transfer window, time on the pitch and a long-term future at Anfield appear to be increasingly unlikely. It may be that he turns everything around and wins Klopp over, but if not, he only has himself to blame.
 

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Most clubs were timid this summer given the extortion from clubs on the continent. Free agents and release clauses being met seem to be the best deals made.

When you're on I'm sure there is a top 4 team there. Coutinho needs to keep firing (for my fantasy team).
 

saint.nick

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Most clubs were timid this summer given the extortion from clubs on the continent. Free agents and release clauses being met seem to be the best deals made.

When you're on I'm sure there is a top 4 team there. Coutinho needs to keep firing (for my fantasy team).
Well that's the key, we need to be consistently on our game, but Klopp needs to abandon this Hendo/Gigi partnership because Hendo doesn't get enough help from Gigi to defend.

United, City and Chelsea will make the top 4, so we really need to displace Arsenal and Tottenham, which we're definitely capable of. Coutinho is almost there, he's just lacking a little mentally. He turns up for the highlight plays but it's unsurprising when he misses an open goal. I still think he's better suited in the centre of the park, he's good out on the left but is a bit more of a one-trick pony.
 

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Be honest guys.
Would you part with any of your hard earned to back Liverpool at evens to make the top 4?
 

Lemon Squash

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Be honest guys.
Would you part with any of your hard earned to back Liverpool at evens to make the top 4?

Not a chance, I never ever back Liverpool.

Burnt me too many times in the past, countless multi's ruined by losses to Wigan/Reading/Hull etc

To take evens for the top 4 would be 9 months of torture, well probably not that long as we will most likely be out of contention by Xmas
 

Jack_Napier

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I'm not giving up on top 4 chances considering our rivals will have European football to focus on. It's 3 games into a 38 game season so who can predict anything right now.

Who knows how the side will click with a good run of games under their belt, I'd back is for top 6 not top 4 as of right now.
 

saint.nick

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After the Times refused to frontpage the Hillsborough inquest victory, I remember saying that LFC journo Tony Barrett wouldn't be at The Times for much longer, and I was right. He just started at Joe.co.uk.
 

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