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Y.N.W.A. Thread (Liverpool fans thread) II

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Jack_Napier

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He's been injured mate, was on the bench for the game against Basel. I don't think BR rates him as he actually wasnt a BR signing, more a transfer committee decision. He's should be playing IMO when fit. BR loves Skrtel and Sakho and Lovren are both LCB so Sakho is the one to suffer.
 

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He's been injured mate, was on the bench for the game against Basel. I don't think BR rates him as he actually wasnt a BR signing, more a transfer committee decision. He's should be playing IMO when fit. BR loves Skrtel and Sakho and Lovren are both LCB so Sakho is the one to suffer.

He was definatly and old favourite of mine on Football Manager a few years ago lol
 

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Carra and Neville did a wonderful analysis on Lovren and Liverpool's defence. Part of our problems have come down to Lovren's own deficiencies, particularly how he leaves way too much space between himself and whoever is marking out on the wing- a great example being when Valencia was able to find very open space after he waltzed past Allen. If Lovren occupied that space instead of worrying about Skrtel behind him, Rooney wouldn't have got that ball. He even made the same mistakes at Southampton. However, it's also a Liverpool problem, and they showed examples of Skrtel or Sakho doing the exact same thing last season.

When it comes down to it, Liverpool don't defend as a unit; they defend individually. I shake my head at how elite level defenders don't understand the concept of sliding across the field as one unit. This has A LOT to do with our defensive coaching, and as a result, Liverpool's defensive line looks like a bit like a stem and leaf plot.

Scarily enough, not only do we have this grossly flawed defensive line contributing to the problem, we also have a bad goal keeper, and a natural attacking player in defensive midfield.
 
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There is going to be a review of the transfer committee from the owners before the window opens.
They are going to have a look at the way the signings have unfolded and who it was that decided these signings were what we needed.
I know that one signing that is going to come under scrutiny is Adam Lallana, and the fact that he was 25mil and is arguably not as good as Coutinho.

The other is Mario, contentious yes, but why was he signed when for 3 mil more we could have had Bony.

I have also heard whispers that this window will either be a back or sack for Rodgers.

If they decide to open the cheque book and allow some signings they will have decided to back him.
The funds would pay way for a keeper, a mid and a striker, and a couple of loan players.

If they decide loans only, it will be the nail in his coffin as they won't want a new manager coming in with more players they don't wan't. Problem is, each scenario can go either way.

Scenario A: They back him, allow him to Sign Perrin, Shaqiri and Lacazette (all examples) plus 2 loan signings like Cabaye, Subotic (again, examples) and they fail, then they will have to sack him and a new manager will come in with more deadwood to burn.

Scenario B: They decide to sack him at seasons end and line a replacement up and only allow a few loan signins. So he gets some loan players and they turn the fortunes around, we push for the 4 and go close to winning the Europa.
What would they do then?

I have spoken with a few people and my opinion won't change. I believe Rodgers is one of the best young managers around, but he is way too stubborn for change.

He needs to accept the fact that the committee made some signings even if he didn't want them. I am of the firm belief that the committee's signings in Sakho, Can and Markovic offer more than what he has signed himself.
I believe that with an extended run in the team, Can will be a great box to box mid. The fact that he plays Joe Allen ahead of Can is criminal.
I also see a lot of talent in Markovic, and he is starting to show it now.
I cannot believe he refused to play Sakho when he was healthy, and I can't believe he can't break into the squad now.
IMO, a Sakho/Lovren CB combination would be our best given time. I don't care that they are both left footed players, that means shit. Sakho has captained France and is a dead set beast. If we keep treating him like shit, he will walk to another team for a low fee and kill it else where.

I also believe that Rodgers needs to employ a defensive coach. Since he has been in charge we have been terrible in defense. He needs someone to come in and sort the CB issues. He also needs someone to come in and work with Moreno.
The guy is determined to bomb forward, which is good, but his recovery is poor.

For United first goal, Moreno had bombed up field, and when he tracked back, he tracked back to his position. Problem was, Joe Allen had already gone there and so had Lallana, if Moreno had the defensive awareness he should have, he should have taken Allens role in the Midfield and shut down Rooney's space.

His final piece of play needs to be to sort the Gerrard issue out. Gerrard is not a DM and is not a CM. He needs to play closer to goal. So it's rotation for Stevie. I saw somewhere that someone mentioned MLS for him next season. I think that is a wise idea.
 

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There is going to be a review of the transfer committee from the owners before the window opens.
They are going to have a look at the way the signings have unfolded and who it was that decided these signings were what we needed.
I know that one signing that is going to come under scrutiny is Adam Lallana, and the fact that he was 25mil and is arguably not as good as Coutinho.

The other is Mario, contentious yes, but why was he signed when for 3 mil more we could have had Bony.

I have also heard whispers that this window will either be a back or sack for Rodgers.

If they decide to open the cheque book and allow some signings they will have decided to back him.
The funds would pay way for a keeper, a mid and a striker, and a couple of loan players.

If they decide loans only, it will be the nail in his coffin as they won't want a new manager coming in with more players they don't wan't. Problem is, each scenario can go either way.

Scenario A: They back him, allow him to Sign Perrin, Shaqiri and Lacazette (all examples) plus 2 loan signings like Cabaye, Subotic (again, examples) and they fail, then they will have to sack him and a new manager will come in with more deadwood to burn.

Scenario B: They decide to sack him at seasons end and line a replacement up and only allow a few loan signins. So he gets some loan players and they turn the fortunes around, we push for the 4 and go close to winning the Europa.
What would they do then?

I have spoken with a few people and my opinion won't change. I believe Rodgers is one of the best young managers around, but he is way too stubborn for change.

He needs to accept the fact that the committee made some signings even if he didn't want them. I am of the firm belief that the committee's signings in Sakho, Can and Markovic offer more than what he has signed himself.
I believe that with an extended run in the team, Can will be a great box to box mid. The fact that he plays Joe Allen ahead of Can is criminal.
I also see a lot of talent in Markovic, and he is starting to show it now.
I cannot believe he refused to play Sakho when he was healthy, and I can't believe he can't break into the squad now.
IMO, a Sakho/Lovren CB combination would be our best given time. I don't care that they are both left footed players, that means shit. Sakho has captained France and is a dead set beast. If we keep treating him like shit, he will walk to another team for a low fee and kill it else where.

I also believe that Rodgers needs to employ a defensive coach. Since he has been in charge we have been terrible in defense. He needs someone to come in and sort the CB issues. He also needs someone to come in and work with Moreno.
The guy is determined to bomb forward, which is good, but his recovery is poor.

For United first goal, Moreno had bombed up field, and when he tracked back, he tracked back to his position. Problem was, Joe Allen had already gone there and so had Lallana, if Moreno had the defensive awareness he should have, he should have taken Allens role in the Midfield and shut down Rooney's space.

His final piece of play needs to be to sort the Gerrard issue out. Gerrard is not a DM and is not a CM. He needs to play closer to goal. So it's rotation for Stevie. I saw somewhere that someone mentioned MLS for him next season. I think that is a wise idea.

I agree with every single thing you said except the last part. I think Gerrard can effectively play CM. His distribution skills are a great asset in that position.

I think it's obvious that Rodgers' eye for talent suffers from cataracts and glaucoma.
 

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There's been an independent review of the club top to bottom going on now for a while I believe. FSG are getting advice on the next move and from what I'm reading they are going to accept all recommendations and the main one being a DOF/Coach model. Only issue I have with this is apparently they are getting some advice of people based in the states, even heard Bruce Arenas name thrown around.

As far as I can tell Rodgers is Definitly gone CB4. His comments in the media have apparently almost seen him sacked as well I believe. I truly believe it's a matter of when not if.

Gerrard is a big issue as well, the fact he has asked for a 2 year extension on the same coin shows he's as lost as BR is. It is no doubt a negotiating tactic but for mine he either needs to accept a reduced role at the club or go to MLS like I suggested before.

One telling issue with BR is the fact he is in his 3rd season with us and we haven't progressed one little bit as squad. We are just 11 individuals on the pitch at the moment and the rumours of a lot team disharmony and blame game going on at the moment all falls squarely on him, Pascoe and Marsh. Achterberg our GK coach needs to go as well.
 
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There is going to be a review of the transfer committee from the owners before the window opens.
They are going to have a look at the way the signings have unfolded and who it was that decided these signings were what we needed.
I know that one signing that is going to come under scrutiny is Adam Lallana, and the fact that he was 25mil and is arguably not as good as Coutinho.

The other is Mario, contentious yes, but why was he signed when for 3 mil more we could have had Bony.

I have also heard whispers that this window will either be a back or sack for Rodgers.

If they decide to open the cheque book and allow some signings they will have decided to back him.
The funds would pay way for a keeper, a mid and a striker, and a couple of loan players.

If they decide loans only, it will be the nail in his coffin as they won't want a new manager coming in with more players they don't wan't. Problem is, each scenario can go either way.

Scenario A: They back him, allow him to Sign Perrin, Shaqiri and Lacazette (all examples) plus 2 loan signings like Cabaye, Subotic (again, examples) and they fail, then they will have to sack him and a new manager will come in with more deadwood to burn.

Scenario B: They decide to sack him at seasons end and line a replacement up and only allow a few loan signins. So he gets some loan players and they turn the fortunes around, we push for the 4 and go close to winning the Europa.
What would they do then?

I have spoken with a few people and my opinion won't change. I believe Rodgers is one of the best young managers around, but he is way too stubborn for change.

He needs to accept the fact that the committee made some signings even if he didn't want them. I am of the firm belief that the committee's signings in Sakho, Can and Markovic offer more than what he has signed himself.
I believe that with an extended run in the team, Can will be a great box to box mid. The fact that he plays Joe Allen ahead of Can is criminal.
I also see a lot of talent in Markovic, and he is starting to show it now.
I cannot believe he refused to play Sakho when he was healthy, and I can't believe he can't break into the squad now.
IMO, a Sakho/Lovren CB combination would be our best given time. I don't care that they are both left footed players, that means shit. Sakho has captained France and is a dead set beast. If we keep treating him like shit, he will walk to another team for a low fee and kill it else where.

I also believe that Rodgers needs to employ a defensive coach. Since he has been in charge we have been terrible in defense. He needs someone to come in and sort the CB issues. He also needs someone to come in and work with Moreno.
The guy is determined to bomb forward, which is good, but his recovery is poor.

For United first goal, Moreno had bombed up field, and when he tracked back, he tracked back to his position. Problem was, Joe Allen had already gone there and so had Lallana, if Moreno had the defensive awareness he should have, he should have taken Allens role in the Midfield and shut down Rooney's space.

His final piece of play needs to be to sort the Gerrard issue out. Gerrard is not a DM and is not a CM. He needs to play closer to goal. So it's rotation for Stevie. I saw somewhere that someone mentioned MLS for him next season. I think that is a wise idea.

stevie g has earned the right to play for as long as he is serviceable. there's no problem with him an alonso cm type role, but it would mean a change to rodger's formations and as you say his stubborn-ness is standing out like a sore thumb at the moment, as you say eg the allen/can situation amongst others.

the issue with sakho is he has been nervous as hell playing the ball out the back, to the point where opposition were targetting him. again it's a case of adapting the system or freeze out players, and rodgers has again shown his cards here. the number of times we're losing possession playing out the back this season is just staggering.
 

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Exactly, he's the Norwich keeper. The bloke would still be having nightmares of Luis surely. Rubbish link of true like I said.
 

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I think Mignolet has copped more heat than he has deserved... No doubt his form is down from last season, but the whole squad is down on confidence and that radiates throughout.

He's far from a superstar but I'd take an out of form Mignolet over Jones any day of the week, he is just f**king terrible and no where near EPL standard why we ever decided to sign him even as a number 2 is beyond me.

Big big game tonight, Arsenal are flying atm but this is our chance to rise to the occasion and if we could snag a win it really might jump start our season.
 

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Mignolet deserves everything he's getting he's had 2 seasons now to show he can provide the leadership and stability needed behind the back 4 instead he offers confusion in the box and distribution a local rag could be satisfied with. All this no matter who's in front of him and yes that includes defenders that have been the most miselrly in the league before he came in
 

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I'm sorry but Migs deserves it. I've seen this silly argument that it's not his fault because his goal keeping coach doesn't coach him properly. But seriously, if he still hasn't learnt proper distribution, organisation and presence in the box by now, then he never will.
 
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