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You can't buy a premiership!!!

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https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/it-...20-p51frr.html

It's player development, not cash, that keeps Roosters on top


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By Phil Gould

April 20, 2019 — 4.22pm
Normal text sizeLarger text sizeVery large text size The Good Friday clash between heavyweights the Sydney Roosters and Melbourne Storm was an outstanding game of rugby league.

The match was highlighted by so many great moments. There were 40 points scored in the first 52 minutes. There were no points scored in the final 28 minutes as these two masterfully coached teams schemed their way to try and break the 20-20 deadlock.

In the end, it took a towering golden point field goal from the Roosters' Latrell Mitchell to decide it.
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The power of one: Latrell Mitchell (centre) is mobbed by teammates after the final play.CREDIT:AAP
A draw would’ve been a more fitting result. However, if no extra time period was played, we would’ve been denied that magical moment from Mitchell, a drop goal that will live long in our memories.
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I suppose if any team can afford the loss it’s Melbourne. It’s also fair to say our game can always benefit from the wonderful theatre created by magical moments like these.

As I left the ground I listened to the friendly banter between rival fans. Nothing sinister; just friendly ribbing with plenty of mutual respect for each other’s team. They know they will meet again come September.

Among the exchanges, though, were the age-old accusations that the Roosters buy their premierships by poaching representative-class players from rival clubs. This is one of the great myths of our game and these comments always grate on the Roosters faithful.
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Another one off the production line: Nat Butcher takes on the Storm on Friday.CREDIT:AAP
What is rarely highlighted is that in the past 20 seasons the Roosters have become one the leading developers of young talent in the game.

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Friday night's win, in particular, emphasised this. Before I explain, let’s have a history lesson.

Roosters' 2002 premiership

Of the 17 players in that premiership-winning team, nine (Shannon Hegarty, Anthony Minichiello, Simon Bonetti, Peter Cusack, Luke Ricketson, Bryan Fletcher, Andrew Lomu, Chris Flannery and Michael Crocker) made their NRL debuts with the Roosters.

Roosters' 2013 premiership

Of the 17 players in that premiership team, 10 (Anthony Minichiello, Daniel Tupou, Shaun Kenny-Dowall, Roger Tuivasa-Sheck, Mitchell Pearce, Aidan Guerra, Boyd Cordner, Jake Friend, Frank-Paul Nuuausala and Mitchell Aubusson) made their NRL debuts with the Roosters, while Jared Waerea-Hargreaves played just 6 matches for Manly in 2009 before joining the Club.

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Glory days: The Roosters, boasting a host of locally developed talent, take out last year's title.CREDIT:AAP
Roosters' 2018 premiership

Of the 17 players in that premiership team, 10 (Tupou, Mitchell, Joseph Manu, Friend, Cordner, Aubusson, Victor Radley, Isaac Liu, Dylan Napa and Ryan Matterson) made their NRL debuts with the Roosters, while two others (Sio Siua Taukeiaho and Waerea-Hargreaves) played just seven NRL matches prior to joining.

The Roosters went into Friday night's clash with the Storm missing six internationals (Taukeiaho, Liu, Manu, Friend, Brett Morris and Ryan Hall) and then lost a seventh (Luke Keary) during the match. The premiers had just nine of their grand final team in action, while the Storm had 14. The Roosters bench contained four players aged 21 or younger, with a total of just 19 matches between them. Three players (Sitili Tupouniua, Sam Verrills and Josh Curran) had played a total of 14 minutes in the NRL prior to Friday night.

The Roosters have now used 24 players in the first six rounds and are yet to give a debut their big off-season signing, Hall, the 38-cap England winger.

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Eleven of the Roosters team on Friday night made their NRL debuts with the tricolours.

Radley, Tupouniua, Nat Butcher, Poasa Faamausili (who has played four matches for the Roosters this season after making his debut last season) and the suspended Manu were all members of the Roosters' 2016 NYC premiership team. Two others (Paul Momirovski and Grant Garvey) made their NRL debuts at the Roosters from that premiership side.

Tupouniua, a junior Kiwi representative, who joined the Roosters for that 2016 NYC season, is destined to be a long-term NRL player and his superb tackle-busting run in golden point was crucial in giving the Roosters the required field position for Mitchell to kick that winning field goal.

Butcher joined the Roosters when he was 17. The former Australian Schoolboy broke a myriad of records during the 2016 NYC season and played a key role in James Tedesco's try on Friday night. He made his NRL debut for the Roosters in the final match of 2016 when just 19. A player with an ability to play long minutes, he's been a star in the lower grades at the Roosters for a number of years.

Verrills, last season's Arthur Beetson medallist at the Roosters for under-20s player of the year, is in his second season at the Roosters and is still eligible to play at that level. The wily young hooker put the pressure on Brodie Croft late in normal time on Friday that prevented Croft from getting the space he needed to kick the winning field goal in regulation time.

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Curran was a schoolboys star at Patrician Brothers Blacktown. He played under-16s for NSW in 2015, under-18s in 2017, under-20s in 2018 and Australian Schoolboys in 2016. He is another that the Roosters identified at a very young age, joining the club at 17 and graduating to the senior squad this season, along with Verrills.

What sets apart players such as Tupouniua, Butcher, Verrills, Curran, Faaumasili and another Roosters 2019 debutant Lachlan Lam from so many other NRL youngsters is the football education they receive at the Roosters. Despite their young age, when they make their debut at the Roosters they are ready. They have been at the club since a young age and the development programs that they go through have them as prepared for the NRL as a youngster can possibly be.

Look through the team lists and you will find a myriad of players who were at the Roosters prior to making their NRL debut, but are now playing elsewhere. Contrary to conventional wisdom, the Roosters have had to let many of these players go, but the players will still speak highly of their early years with the Roosters. They are all in the senior squads at their current clubs: Kenny-Dowall, Guerra, Tautau Moga, Connor Watson, Pearce (Knights); Joseph Leilua, Jack Murchie, Iosia Soliola (Raiders); Ryley Jacks, Treymain Spry (Titans); Jahrome Hughes, Sandor Earl (Storm); Brad Takairangi, Kane Evans (Parramatta); Tuivasa-Sheck, Jackson Frei, Leivaha Pulu, Taane Milne, Blake Ayshford (Warriors); John Asiata, Javid Bowen, Nene Macdonald (Cowboys); Momirovski, Matterson, Esan Marsters, Luke Garner (Tigers); Rhyse Martin, Napa (Bulldogs); Sean O'Sullivan, Joe Ofahengaue (Broncos); James Tamou, Frank Winterstein (Panthers); Ethan Lowe (Souths); Brendan Elliot, Lloyd Perrett (Manly); Kurt Capewell, Braden Hamlin-Uele (Sharks).

That's 37 players, plus 19 of the 29-man Roosters squad, and it's possible I have missed a few. It's impressive, to say the least.

The Roosters have played in 11 preliminary finals in the past 21 seasons, in seven of the last 19 grand finals, won four of the past six minor premierships and won three of the past 17 titles. They do so, not by buying premierships, but by identifying and developing talent at a rate better than the rest.

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They are able to buy players such as Tedesco, Cooper Cronk, Keary, Hall and Angus Crichton because so many of their other squad members have been developed in-house. They are worthy premiership favourites again in 2019 on the back of another squad dominated by products they have developed.

Gould wrote this as the resume he is sending to Uncle Nick.
 

Zadar

Juniors
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Now Phil, please present to us essay on how they manage to keep that many quality players under the cap.

The secret is don’t offer a million dollars to players like Foran,woods,Pearce,bird,Hunt,Milford, and so on.

Will be good to see Gus back at the chooks though after that article.
 

Valheru

Coach
Messages
19,166
Now Phil, please present to us essay on how they manage to keep that many quality players under the cap.

How much money would you pay the likes of:

Tupou
Morris
Manu (rookie deal)
Ikavalu
Aubusson
Friend
SST
Liu
Collins
Tetevano
Butcher
Curran
Radley (rookie contract)
Verills
Tupouniua
 

TheDalek079

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It's player development, not cash, that keeps Roosters on top


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By Phil Gould

April 20, 2019 — 4.22pm
Normal text sizeLarger text sizeVery large text size The Good Friday clash between heavyweights the Sydney Roosters and Melbourne Storm was an outstanding game of rugby league.

The match was highlighted by so many great moments. There were 40 points scored in the first 52 minutes. There were no points scored in the final 28 minutes as these two masterfully coached teams schemed their way to try and break the 20-20 deadlock.

In the end, it took a towering golden point field goal from the Roosters' Latrell Mitchell to decide it.
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The power of one: Latrell Mitchell (centre) is mobbed by teammates after the final play.CREDIT:AAP
A draw would’ve been a more fitting result. However, if no extra time period was played, we would’ve been denied that magical moment from Mitchell, a drop goal that will live long in our memories.
Advertisement
I suppose if any team can afford the loss it’s Melbourne. It’s also fair to say our game can always benefit from the wonderful theatre created by magical moments like these.

As I left the ground I listened to the friendly banter between rival fans. Nothing sinister; just friendly ribbing with plenty of mutual respect for each other’s team. They know they will meet again come September.

Among the exchanges, though, were the age-old accusations that the Roosters buy their premierships by poaching representative-class players from rival clubs. This is one of the great myths of our game and these comments always grate on the Roosters faithful.
428bdd79ed6e30ea5d24ed76dd3725d3ddba183f
Another one off the production line: Nat Butcher takes on the Storm on Friday.CREDIT:AAP
What is rarely highlighted is that in the past 20 seasons the Roosters have become one the leading developers of young talent in the game.

Advertisement

Friday night's win, in particular, emphasised this. Before I explain, let’s have a history lesson.

Roosters' 2002 premiership

Of the 17 players in that premiership-winning team, nine (Shannon Hegarty, Anthony Minichiello, Simon Bonetti, Peter Cusack, Luke Ricketson, Bryan Fletcher, Andrew Lomu, Chris Flannery and Michael Crocker) made their NRL debuts with the Roosters.

Roosters' 2013 premiership

Of the 17 players in that premiership team, 10 (Anthony Minichiello, Daniel Tupou, Shaun Kenny-Dowall, Roger Tuivasa-Sheck, Mitchell Pearce, Aidan Guerra, Boyd Cordner, Jake Friend, Frank-Paul Nuuausala and Mitchell Aubusson) made their NRL debuts with the Roosters, while Jared Waerea-Hargreaves played just 6 matches for Manly in 2009 before joining the Club.

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Glory days: The Roosters, boasting a host of locally developed talent, take out last year's title.CREDIT:AAP
Roosters' 2018 premiership

Of the 17 players in that premiership team, 10 (Tupou, Mitchell, Joseph Manu, Friend, Cordner, Aubusson, Victor Radley, Isaac Liu, Dylan Napa and Ryan Matterson) made their NRL debuts with the Roosters, while two others (Sio Siua Taukeiaho and Waerea-Hargreaves) played just seven NRL matches prior to joining.

The Roosters went into Friday night's clash with the Storm missing six internationals (Taukeiaho, Liu, Manu, Friend, Brett Morris and Ryan Hall) and then lost a seventh (Luke Keary) during the match. The premiers had just nine of their grand final team in action, while the Storm had 14. The Roosters bench contained four players aged 21 or younger, with a total of just 19 matches between them. Three players (Sitili Tupouniua, Sam Verrills and Josh Curran) had played a total of 14 minutes in the NRL prior to Friday night.

The Roosters have now used 24 players in the first six rounds and are yet to give a debut their big off-season signing, Hall, the 38-cap England winger.

Advertisement

Eleven of the Roosters team on Friday night made their NRL debuts with the tricolours.

Radley, Tupouniua, Nat Butcher, Poasa Faamausili (who has played four matches for the Roosters this season after making his debut last season) and the suspended Manu were all members of the Roosters' 2016 NYC premiership team. Two others (Paul Momirovski and Grant Garvey) made their NRL debuts at the Roosters from that premiership side.

Tupouniua, a junior Kiwi representative, who joined the Roosters for that 2016 NYC season, is destined to be a long-term NRL player and his superb tackle-busting run in golden point was crucial in giving the Roosters the required field position for Mitchell to kick that winning field goal.

Butcher joined the Roosters when he was 17. The former Australian Schoolboy broke a myriad of records during the 2016 NYC season and played a key role in James Tedesco's try on Friday night. He made his NRL debut for the Roosters in the final match of 2016 when just 19. A player with an ability to play long minutes, he's been a star in the lower grades at the Roosters for a number of years.

Verrills, last season's Arthur Beetson medallist at the Roosters for under-20s player of the year, is in his second season at the Roosters and is still eligible to play at that level. The wily young hooker put the pressure on Brodie Croft late in normal time on Friday that prevented Croft from getting the space he needed to kick the winning field goal in regulation time.

Advertisement

Curran was a schoolboys star at Patrician Brothers Blacktown. He played under-16s for NSW in 2015, under-18s in 2017, under-20s in 2018 and Australian Schoolboys in 2016. He is another that the Roosters identified at a very young age, joining the club at 17 and graduating to the senior squad this season, along with Verrills.

What sets apart players such as Tupouniua, Butcher, Verrills, Curran, Faaumasili and another Roosters 2019 debutant Lachlan Lam from so many other NRL youngsters is the football education they receive at the Roosters. Despite their young age, when they make their debut at the Roosters they are ready. They have been at the club since a young age and the development programs that they go through have them as prepared for the NRL as a youngster can possibly be.

Look through the team lists and you will find a myriad of players who were at the Roosters prior to making their NRL debut, but are now playing elsewhere. Contrary to conventional wisdom, the Roosters have had to let many of these players go, but the players will still speak highly of their early years with the Roosters. They are all in the senior squads at their current clubs: Kenny-Dowall, Guerra, Tautau Moga, Connor Watson, Pearce (Knights); Joseph Leilua, Jack Murchie, Iosia Soliola (Raiders); Ryley Jacks, Treymain Spry (Titans); Jahrome Hughes, Sandor Earl (Storm); Brad Takairangi, Kane Evans (Parramatta); Tuivasa-Sheck, Jackson Frei, Leivaha Pulu, Taane Milne, Blake Ayshford (Warriors); John Asiata, Javid Bowen, Nene Macdonald (Cowboys); Momirovski, Matterson, Esan Marsters, Luke Garner (Tigers); Rhyse Martin, Napa (Bulldogs); Sean O'Sullivan, Joe Ofahengaue (Broncos); James Tamou, Frank Winterstein (Panthers); Ethan Lowe (Souths); Brendan Elliot, Lloyd Perrett (Manly); Kurt Capewell, Braden Hamlin-Uele (Sharks).

That's 37 players, plus 19 of the 29-man Roosters squad, and it's possible I have missed a few. It's impressive, to say the least.

The Roosters have played in 11 preliminary finals in the past 21 seasons, in seven of the last 19 grand finals, won four of the past six minor premierships and won three of the past 17 titles. They do so, not by buying premierships, but by identifying and developing talent at a rate better than the rest.

Advertisement

They are able to buy players such as Tedesco, Cooper Cronk, Keary, Hall and Angus Crichton because so many of their other squad members have been developed in-house. They are worthy premiership favourites again in 2019 on the back of another squad dominated by products they have developed.

this confirms that Phil Gould is one of the Albert Rosenfeld alt accounts
 

Perth Red

Post Whore
Messages
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How much money would you pay the likes of:

Tupou
Morris
Manu (rookie deal)
Ikavalu
Aubusson
Friend
SST
Liu
Collins
Tetevano
Butcher
Curran
Radley (rookie contract)
Verills
Tupouniua

Tedesco
Keary
Mitchell
All million $ players.

Cordner
Cronk
$700k

JWH
Friend
Morris
$500k

The remaining $4 mill is going a long way lol
 

macavity

Referee
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It's player development, not cash, that keeps Roosters on top


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By Phil Gould

Deliberately missed the point, as Gus usually does.

The Roosters put their considerable resources into picking the best out of the junior leagues funded by others.

Melbourne do the same.

The likes of the Knights, Panthers, Eels and Raiders put their resources into supporting their local junior leagues - their charter/constitution often dictates that they do.

Obviously concentrating funds on securing the best talents, rather than developing the game as a whole, is a very successful strategy.

More than a bit rich to call that "player development" however. It is talent spotting and the efficient use of resources - not "development".
 

Valheru

Coach
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Tedesco
Keary
Mitchell
All million $ players.

Cordner
Cronk
$700k

JWH
Friend
Morris
$500k

The remaining $4 mill is going a long way lol

There is a difference between being a million dollar player and getting paid a million dollars.

Neither Keary not Latrell are on a million

Morris 500k? Lol
 

Valheru

Coach
Messages
19,166
Deliberately missed the point, as Gus usually does.

The Roosters put their considerable resources into picking the best out of the junior leagues funded by others.

Melbourne do the same.

The likes of the Knights, Panthers, Eels and Raiders put their resources into supporting their local junior leagues - their charter/constitution often dictates that they do.

Obviously concentrating funds on securing the best talents, rather than developing the game as a whole, is a very successful strategy.

More than a bit rich to call that "player development" however. It is talent spotting and the efficient use of resources - not "development".

Are you saying the roosters don't put money in to their junior league?
 

Tommy Smith

Referee
Messages
21,344
How many kids in their junior league? And how many from that junior league playing first grade right now?
I'm not sure what you're expecting of the Roosters when we have so few junior clubs given Souffs stole them away over 50 years ago.

Having a go at the Roosters not producing many juniors is like criticising San Marino for not being great at football. Well obviously... San Marino is small. As is the number of Roosters junior clubs.
 

macavity

Referee
Messages
20,640
I'm not sure what you're expecting of the Roosters when we have so few junior clubs given Souffs stole them away over 50 years ago.

Having a go at the Roosters not producing many juniors is like criticising San Marino for not being great at football. Well obviously... San Marino is small. As is the number of Roosters junior clubs.

They could... move to an area with a better junior catchment.

Instead we are all funding a wildly excessive stadium for them.
 

Valheru

Coach
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19,166
They could... move to an area with a better junior catchment.

Instead we are all funding a wildly excessive stadium for them.

Well the stadium isn't just for us. It has 3 full time tenants across 3 codes ready to go with other clubs likely to take games there as well as internationals of multiple codes, non sporting events etc.

Anyways, why would the roosters move? They are successful enough in the east and the game needs a club in the highly competitive and lucrative eastern suburbs market.

What we have done is significantly invest in other areas without a NRL club like CC, north shore and Adelaide.

Since you refused to answer my question, I'll answer for you. The roosters heavily invest in the juniors they do have. Everyone knows it is a tiny system due to a rationalisation of juniors in the 50s which is no longer valid but it won't be changed any time soon.

Of course the roosters look at other juniors and bring them in to our system where possible. That is called professional sports and if other clubs aren't doing that they will inevitably fail.
 

MilkShark

First Grade
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“Look through the team lists and you will find a myriad of players who were at the Roosters prior to making their NRL debut, but are now playing elsewhere. Contrary to conventional wisdom, the Roosters have had to let many of these players go, but the players will still speak highly of their early years with the Roosters.”

Must have a bit of time on his hand to go and contact every single one of these players and ask them about their experience with the roosters.
 
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