Your all time team.

[Loudstrat]

See that is the thing - if you had read - I had Jason Smith listed as a lock, not a 5/8, (could even claim his as a second rower), and asked you accordingly for your attacking team.

All you asked was how close Smith was to being in my attacking team. He played for my club - most effectively and memorably as a pivot. You never stipulated back row.

But since you asked - Ray Price was head and shoulders above any TWO backrowers put together who have played since then. History would suggest that only Sandy Pearce, Chook Raper and Ron Coote were better. Price had the same playing weight as Lockyer - but no one EVER got the better of him. I remember him in a blue taking on half the pommy test pack, and winning. Its daylight before we get to the likes of Clyde, Tallis, Boyd, SBW, MG and whoever else you want to throw up - and in that yawning gap only Wayne Pearce has a right to poke his head.

Filthy player. Filth.

Only because of that incident, right. Yes, he was filthy - but long before that. Ask old Magpie fans, which brings me to one of my favorite Rugby League clips on Youtube.......(end I wonder if this will flush EA or Quigs out!)

[youtube]0eH7-pkatTM[/youtube]

Pity Queensland were never as tough as the mighty Magpies!

 

[typicalfan]

Clyde was good no doubt, but nowhere as good as his reputation. You'd only want him as a lock behind 4 men getting you serious go forward.

R Price, B Lindner, Jason Smith, T Nikau, E Hanley, and W Pearce were all class acts, as was B Clyde. I can't pick one. But I disagree that B Clyde is a shoo in

I originally forgot B Clyde for a reason.

He took part in Origin behind a MONSTER pack and he played in a club team (Canberra) was over the cap and class oozing everywhere. I think it makes it easier to look good when Daley, Stuart and Boxhead are feeding you the ball, Lomax, Pongia, lazarus, Fritz and Todd controlling the middle, and you have Mal, Barnhill, G Coyne, J Croker, G Belcher and D Furner beside you. Bit like Nik Kosef.

And look how many from that NSW 1990-94 forwards/players make my all time list. CLyde was quality, no doubt, but he never had it tough like some of the others did, especially Nikau and Lindner.

A lot of fine judges say that Clyde was the best pure footballer in the great Raiders side. If we had stats for back in the day they would crush Paul Gallens and yet he was still agile and dangerous on the edges and could run like a centre, roll his sleeves up early in a set and make the hard yards. He was often taking his first hit of the set before Daley, Stuart and Boxhead were still getting back...

Absolute class again only really Price would be ahead in my time because of his leadership skills and his non stop motor. But Clyde fits my side

 

[ANTiLAG]

Are these the same fine judges or hailed Lockyer as a 5/8th with the greats?

Never bought into media hype. Never will. Clyde could play, no doubt. But so could the others listed. IMO its a lot closer than you think.

 

[Loudstrat]

Had Clyde not had an almost SBW run with injuries, he'd be higher. He was a shadow of himself at Canterbury.

Price played 50 more games than Clyde did after 10 seasons.

 

[parraeels2010]

From 2001 Change Gallen to 17 can't on phone

1.Slater
2.Hayne
3.Folau
4.Inglis
5.Vatuvei
6.Fittler
7.Johns
8.Webke
9.Smith
10.S.Price
11.Hindmarsh
12.B.Keneddy (however spelt)
13.SBW
14.Lockyer
15.Petro
16.L.Bailey
17.Rickerson

 

[Bretto]

Antilag: Lockyer not one of the best 5/8's of all time? If not, just curious if you watched any Broncos, QLD or Australia games since about 2005?

Pete: Great sides. Love the Broncos side.

Upon reflection, I'd play Lockyer at fullback for my all time team over Slater, then fit Lewis in at 5/8.

 

[Big Pete]

Antilag: Lockyer not one of the best 5/8's of all time? If not, just curious if you watched any Broncos, QLD or Australia games since about 2005?

:lol: here we go...

 

[Bretto]

:lol: here we go...

:lol: Shh you. He'll need a new keyboard after this one.

 

[Miller was a legend]

Let the shit fight begin

 

[Jason Maher]

Well for me, Lockyer was in my team no matter what. It was a question of Slater at fullback vs Lewis at five-eighth. I opted for Slater because I didn't really see the best of Lewis.

Lockyer's switch happened round 1, 2004 against the Warriors, with a 17yo cutie making his debut at fullback, by the by.

 

[ANTiLAG]

Antilag: Lockyer not one of the best 5/8's of all time? If not, just curious if you watched any Broncos, QLD or Australia games since about 2005?

Yes. Strange you choose 2005. Lockyer himself admits his rep career was nearly done for in 2006 in Superleague Men of Steel video and that's when "he turned his career aroundat 5/8th" with MOTM performances like this one

[youtube]Qn0Fdspu_Cs[/youtube]

Now that 06 grand final win was impressive, but I give creadit to Hodges getting Brisbane past the Doggies in the semis and the ref for the grand final. However, that Brisbane side of 06 was probably as strong if not stronger than the 04 doggies side, and they had halves of Sherwin and Anasta.

Now out of curiosity, are you suggesting that other great five/8ths of the modern era such as Wal, Loz or Fittler needed minders in defence the way Lockyer was given Carroll until, 07?

You do realise, Locky was not there for Qld in 2008. Do you remember when JT played 5/8th outside Prince THIRTY NIL in a live game. The next game Prince gets taken out, yet JT singlehandedly staged the comeback with assists to an admittedly brilliant Folau and just slicing the line open when the game was in the balance with a "show n go".

Sorry you need to be more specific as to what great things Locky did at 5/8th to be a great for mine. G Bird led Aus to a 58-0 thrashing of NZ. Carney put NZ away only for a Locky led team to lose in 2010. So I'm curious as to what you have to say on the matter.

 

[Bretto]

You seem confused. I'm not trying to tell you anything, I'm just asking you a question. You've pretty well answered it. Lockyer doesn't get a run against Wally Lewis, Brad Fittler and Laurie Dayley because he was questionable in defense. Is that about it? I'm not setting anything up, just trying to understand.

Whoever won what game with whoever at what position doesn't mean jack shit, IMO. I'm talking about a specific player.

 

[Walt Flanigan]

All Time (from players I've seen):

1. Billy Slater
2. Andrew Ettingshausen
3. Mal Meninga
4. Steve Renouf
5. Rod Wishart
6. Laurie Daley
7. Andrew Johns
8. Glenn Lazarus
9. Steve Walters
10. Paul Harrogan
11. Paul Sironen
12. Steve Menzies
13. Bradley Clyde

14. Brad Fitler
15. Gordon Tallis
16. Ruben Wiki
17. Shane Webcke

Current:

1. Billy Slater
2. Akuila Uate
3. Greg Inglis
4. Jamie Lyon
5. Jarryd Hayne
6. Jonathon Thurston
7. Cooper Cronk
8. Paul Gallen
9. Cam Smith
10. Matt Scott
11. Dave Taylor
12. Sam Burgess
13. Greg Bird

14. Keiran Foran
15. Sam Thaiday
16. James Graham
17. Ben Hannant

My Club:

1. Gary Belcher
2. Noa Nadruku
3. Mal Meninga
4. Peter Jackson
5. Ken Nagas
6. Laurie Daley
7. Ricky Stuart
8. Glen Lazarus
9. Steve Walters
10. David Shillington
11. Ruben Wiki
12. David Furner
13. Bradley Clyde

14. Jason Croker
15. Gary Coyne
16. Dean Lance
17. Sam Backo

 

[ANTiLAG]

You seem confused. I'm not trying to tell you anything, I'm just asking you a question. You've pretty well answered it. Lockyer doesn't get a run against Wally Lewis, Brad Fittler and Laurie Dayley because he was questionable in defense. Is that about it? I'm not setting anything up, just trying to understand.

I think he offered less in attack than those guys, and was far more woeful in D. Yes. That is why I would not put him anywhere near that category. Locky's most brilliant skill on attack was following the ball and being in the right place at the right time to swoop on loose ball or be in support of a break that someone else created and score. That, I'll admit, was uncanny, but Lamb had that in truck loads.

 

[Bretto]

I think he offered less in attack than those guys, and was far more woeful in D. Yes. That is why I would not put him anywhere near that category. Locky's most brilliant skill on attack was following the ball and being in the right place at the right time to swoop on loose ball or be in support of a break that someone else created and score. That, I'll admit, was uncanny, but Lamb had that in truck loads.

I can cop worse in defense than those players, but not less in attack. Anyway, thanks for your opinion. Can't say I agree, but good discussion all the same.

 

[Mr Fourex]

I think he offered less in attack than those guys, and was far more woeful in D. Yes. That is why I would not put him anywhere near that category. Locky's most brilliant skill on attack was following the ball and being in the right place at the right time to swoop on loose ball or be in support of a break that someone else created and score. That, I'll admit, was uncanny, but Lamb had that in truck loads.

Pfft !!! Lockyer had so much more than that. You seem to only remember the 2006 SOO game 3 and his time spent at fullback.

One other example of Locky's great skill at reading the game was I've lost count on the amount of times that someone would rush up on Lockyer, when he was on the 5th tackle to try and prevent him kicking, only to watch Lockyer either run the ball or pass to either an inside or outside man which would 9 times out of 10 lead to a try.

There were countless occasions he would do this to win a game......

Not saying Lewis (Wal is my all time 5/8 great) or Daley were nuffies, but Lockyer for mine rates above at least Fittler & Lamb in the 5/8 stakes.

 

[Allstar Knights]

1. Slater
2. Sing
3. Inglis
4. Meninga
5. Offiah
6. Lewis
7. Johns
8. Gallen
9. Smith
10. Harrigan
11. SBW
12. Menzies
13. Fitler

14. Buderus
15. Tallis
16. Petero
17. Wiki

 

[ANTiLAG]

Pfft !!! Lockyer had so much more than that. You seem to only remember the 2006 SOO game 3 and his time spent at fullback.

One other example of Locky's great skill at reading the game was I've lost count on the amount of times that someone would rush up on Lockyer, when he was on the 5th tackle to try and prevent him kicking, only to watch Lockyer either run the ball or pass to either an inside or outside man which would 9 times out of 10 lead to a try.

There were countless occasions he would do this to win a game......

Not saying Lewis (Wal is my all time 5/8 great) or Daley were nuffies, but Lockyer for mine rates above at least Fittler & Lamb in the 5/8 stakes.

Are you seriously considering Lockyers CLUB record at 5/8th in the same universe as Terry Lamb's? The only people who get close are Kenny and maybe Lyons. Seriously. Give yourself an uppercut.

 

[Bretto]

Pfft !!! Lockyer had so much more than that. You seem to only remember the 2006 SOO game 3 and his time spent at fullback.

One other example of Locky's great skill at reading the game was I've lost count on the amount of times that someone would rush up on Lockyer, when he was on the 5th tackle to try and prevent him kicking, only to watch Lockyer either run the ball or pass to either an inside or outside man which would 9 times out of 10 lead to a try.

There were countless occasions he would do this to win a game......

Not saying Lewis (Wal is my all time 5/8 great) or Daley were nuffies, but Lockyer for mine rates above at least Fittler & Lamb in the 5/8 stakes.

Since I can remember watching Lockyer at 5/8 for Brisbane, he's probably won no fewer than 10 games single handedly. I still vividly remember the game against Parramatta, round 12, 2008, where Lockyer had the vision at the siren to put the kick in across the field for Denan Kemp to grab the ball and run 30 meters to score in the corner to win the game after the final siren.

 

[ANTiLAG]

Since I can remember watching Lockyer at 5/8 for Brisbane, he's probably won no fewer than 10 games single handedly. I still vividly remember the game against Parramatta, round 12, 2008, where Lockyer had the vision at the siren to put the kick in across the field for Denan Kemp to grab the ball and run 30 meters to score in the corner to win the game after the final siren.

That's nice. Canterbury was known as a one-man team for a period in the 90's.