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Shark

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LOL Sharknows, that's like Lawyers and accountants who think they'd be great restaurant operators, because they spend so much time in them...
 

sharknows

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Shark, you put yourself forward as an expert on such issues. I appreciate that this is your field of expertise, but don't forget that there are many people out there with intelligent opinions on many issues. An expert is a fool if he discounts the opinions of others simply because they are do not have academic qualifications in that area.
 

Shark

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Whoa mate, settle...I haven't dismissed anyone's views. I have corrected factually incorrect statements, but I appreciate that everyone in the community has a slightly different view on these types of issues. Just read some of the wide ranging responses from several contributors here.

As for the dismissal of opinions because of a lack of academic qualifications, check out some of the research projects I am involved in. These projects are all about studying and understanding the issues facing our young road users. We are gathering their opinions for research precisely BECAUSE they do not have any formal qualifications in the area of study.

Go to these sites if you're interested:

www.drivestudy.com and www.uws.edu.au/ccr

And yes, we DO look at issues as 'minor' as spotters and other simple modifications young people make to their cars!
 

sharknows

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No offence intended shark - I wasn't implying that - just wanted to make a point - I will check out those links - I am interested in this area as I have 2 sons aged 20 & 22. I taught both of them to drive and they have both had their licences since they were 17 and to date both have unblemished records. There is much more to teaching kids about driving than simply how to operate a vehicle - social responsibility etc. I am sometimes amazed at the suggestions that come out about the blanket bans that should be placed on young drivers - and in fact some of the measures imposed on all road users. I know this is a complex issue and this is probably not the place to air our views. Keep up the research.
 

Shark

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No dramas mate, contact me via email or private message if you'd like any more info. Social responsibility is definitely the ingredient lacking in most crashes, for all drivers, not just the younger ones. It's good to know there are still some parents out there like yourself taking a keen interest in the ongoing driving 'records' of their kids, it's the best way to keep them out of trouble.
 

Quint

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I do aplogise for some, not all of my comments Shark.
I am sorry for getting personal,I don't know you and I should'nt make ussumptions.
But at the same time I think you should learn that there are other people in this world that may have differing opinions to yours,that does'nt make those opinions wrong though.....
I'm now going to try and learn some self control when I read Silly unthought out comments posted here....deep breath......
 

Quint

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Shark...have you noticed that alot of your posts cause arguements not discussions...Just thought that might help you out......
 

Shark

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Well, that's probably because I choose to discuss topics that go a bit deeper than most. You're right, that's my choosing, but if people are discussing these issues then in my book that's a good thing. They don't have to agree, but if it gets them thinking about stuff, then I reckon that's good.

And in reference to your interpretation of some of my comments - Certainly nobody else has reacted the way you have on this particular issue. I apologise if you have some personal connection with this incident, or perhaps you may have had a family member or friend involved in a serious car crash. I have no way of knowing that. But, I can say that I think my comments are reasonably neutral, in that I see where the parents of the dead boys are coming from, I can see the magistrate's view, etc etc. But I also know that many people in society expect that incidents such as this need to be dealt with more seriously by our courts.

I am interested in what YOU think should happen. Do you think that the incident should attract NO legal punishment, or should all of the survivors be held equally accountable? Because the latter, equal culpability, is what the magistrate alluded to. It's also what I would have preferred, instead of focussing solely on the driver and then having all the charges dismissed.

I would also like to ask you one more question - not to start an argument, but just to get your honest opinion. Do you believe that if the driver was a 17 year old P-plater from a working class family in Camden, or Auburn or Wollongong, would he or she have recieved the same treatment from our legal system and our media outlets as that afforded to the driver in this instance? Again, it's not an argumentative question, just a guage of how people perceive fairness and equality in our legal system and our popular media.
 
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Do you believe that if the driver was a 17 year old P-plater from a working class family in Camden, or Auburn or Wollongong, would he or she have recieved the same treatment from our legal system and our media outlets as that afforded to the driver in this instance?

Interesting question...I believe if it had been a 17 year old MALE the outcome/sentence would have been extremely different...especially if it had been two GIRLS who died in the boot.
 

Shark

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I think you're right SS, but aside from the courts, I think the media reaction (or OVER reaction) would have been totally different. HE would have been held up as some kind of uncaring monster, while SHE became a victim of peer pressure and circumstance, in the media portrayals at least.
 

Quint

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Shark..I think we can agree on one thing.our justice system or lack there of,sucks.
In the case in question it was an accident,all motor vehicle inccidents are classed as Accidents,but I feel this case is an accident in the true sense of the word and her sentense is to live with those boys deaths .
As for your question about the offenders lacality,I would say that there "May'have been a different outcome and at the risk of causing a stirup,if she were of an ethnic persausion there'May' have been another outcome....
Money makes the world go round and it seems in some cases(many) that it can get you out of trouble....
 

Shark

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Yeah, that's a pretty good view on it all Schooey, and in all truth it's not far from my own personal view. All I'd say is that I'd like to see any responsibility spread across all 8 people involved, and maybe even the hosts of the party. To single out the driver only, was wrong in my view.
 

SirShire

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ShireShark said:
Do you believe that if the driver was a 17 year old P-plater from a working class family in Camden, or Auburn or Wollongong, would he or she have recieved the same treatment from our legal system and our media outlets as that afforded to the driver in this instance?

Interesting question...I believe if it had been a 17 year old MALE the outcome/sentence would have been extremely different...especially if it had been two GIRLS who died in the boot.

Certainly. My mates always get pulled over, yet we never see females driving equally, if not more hotted cars than ours getting pulled over.
 

Shark

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My sister gets pulled over all the time...She's 19, rides a CBR250RR and drives a VP Conformodore with body kit and mags, so that probably has something to do with it. Well, that and the fact that she's tall, blonde and busty. Never gets booked with anything though...
 

SirShire

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Hahaha both my sisters manage to talk themselves out of offences - but they look the same as your sister judging by that description.

We say girls with red and green P's driving VX SS Commodores and the coppers dont do shit, but when an Exa (with no music on at that time) drives past with the spotters on - you're pulled over!!

Maybe they saw us high beaming everyone at Rooters Point ;)
 

bazza

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I think everyone is missing the point here.

Someone has actually admitted to driving in a Nissan Exa :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

millersnose

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bazza said:
I think everyone is missing the point here.

Someone has actually admitted to driving in a Nissan Exa :lol: :lol: :lol:

as opposed to those 1978 toranas still in service out parramatta bazza?
 

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