18th club, whose next?

[mongoose]

4 teams at once was a terrible idea.

It should have been 2 then say 5 seasons later another two (at best)

That 1995 season was some bullshit, some the bottom 4 (GC, Souths, Parra and NQ) won a total of 13 games between them and all conceded more than 30 points a game on average.

Manly and Canberra went 20 - 2 and for and against for both was around +400, Manly was around +450 lol

 

[Canard]

Manly and Canberra went 20 - 2 and for and against for both was around +400, Manly was around +450 lol

Yep it was an insanely lopsided comp.

 

[mongoose]

Yep it was an insanely lopsided comp.

great finals series though. First ever top 8 and the team that came 6th won. Bulldogs the only team outside the top 4 that has won the premiership I think?

 

[Wb1234]

i would be amazed if any of the existing clubs would be ok with a 20 team comp so soon, 18 teams sure, because it gets rid of the bye and adds a 9th game but I think it would remain at 18 for quite a while...

Clubs are getting five million over the cap.
They really have no reason to complain

but as is usual for rugby league they will agree to expansion of their grants go up over this 5 million figure

 

[Wb1234]

Manly and Canberra went 20 - 2 and for and against for both was around +400, Manly was around +450 lol

And yet manly didn’t win the comp

 

[Wb1234]

If there has been no super league probably Cronulla and wests would’ve gone broke

the rest would’ve all survived including Perth crushers central coast bears and Gold Coast

the game today would already dominate the pacific and they would be looking at genuine global expansion

in that void first union then afl had a crack to fill it and failed and now those fans are jumping on the bandwagon

regardless vlanyds has put the game in a position where it is stronger than 95. The next ten years will show where the game would’ve been without super league which is dominance of Australia nz and the South Pacific

 

[siv]

Yes forgot Super/professional Rugby came as a direct result if the SL war

 

[Canard]

Yes forgot Super/professional Rugby came as a direct result if the SL war

Nah, Super 6 and then Super 10 was around from 1992.

 

[Perth Red]

Nobody said that business plans are a bad idea, or that the NRL shouldn't have one, that's just a ridiculous strawman.

All that I was saying is that an expansion plan that looks 20 years ahead is at best fanciful given the rate at which the landscape changes, and especially considering the NRL's MO and reactionary business practices...

Unless the NRL's organisational structure, values, and attitudes completely changes they'd be forced to redraft their expansion plan every few years in response to market forces. Considering that it'd make sense to work towards a smaller scale, more flexible plan, that's achievable rather than to build a grandiose 20 year plan that will quickly fall apart (likely because of factional infighting), be branded a failure, then be forgotten without replacement. You've gotta learn to walk before you can run.

That's a lot of words just to ignore the point that was actually being made...

The NRL already more or less has the pick of litter of RU juniors in Australia, so I was talking about the global RU talent market, you know, the only one where there's significant potential for the NRL to access a new talent pool by poaching Union players. The NRL's salary cap is largely irrelevant in that market as there're Union organisations and competitions around the world that are offering similar wages for the players that are worth taking a punt on, without the need for them to take the risk of switching codes.

On average attracting half decent RU talent (i.e. solid professionals or juniors with potential) from e.g. France, South Africa, the British Isles, Argentina, etc, willing to up sticks and move to Australia to play RL would be difficult and expensive. Almost all that might be inclined to consider the move would at least be offered a similarly lucrative contract in their home nation, France, or Japan, without the need to switch codes.

The NRL hasn't really had any success attracting established Super Rugby players, let alone internationals or Union's top talent prospects in NZ or the PI's either. Considering that it seems totally unrealistic to the point of being disconnected from reality to suggest that a program to poach RU players from further afield than the local region could be a reliable source of NRL quality talent.

Is probably just a question of money though. Think of all the great established union players that transitioned to league in uk in the 80’s and 90’s because league was offering more money.

 

[docbrown]

Nobody said that business plans are a bad idea, or that the NRL shouldn't have one, that's just a ridiculous strawman.

All that I was saying is that an expansion plan that looks 20 years ahead is at best fanciful given the rate at which the landscape changes, and especially considering the NRL's MO and reactionary business practices...

Unless the NRL's organisational structure, values, and attitudes completely changes they'd be forced to redraft their expansion plan every few years in response to market forces. Considering that it'd make sense to work towards a smaller scale, more flexible plan, that's achievable rather than to build a grandiose 20 year plan that will quickly fall apart (likely because of factional infighting), be branded a failure, then be forgotten without replacement. You've gotta learn to walk before you can run.

That's a lot of words just to ignore the point that was actually being made...

The NRL already more or less has the pick of litter of RU juniors in Australia, so I was talking about the global RU talent market, you know, the only one where there's significant potential for the NRL to access a new talent pool by poaching Union players. The NRL's salary cap is largely irrelevant in that market as there're Union organisations and competitions around the world that are offering similar wages for the players that are worth taking a punt on, without the need for them to take the risk of switching codes.

On average attracting half decent RU talent (i.e. solid professionals or juniors with potential) from e.g. France, South Africa, the British Isles, Argentina, etc, willing to up sticks and move to Australia to play RL would be difficult and expensive. Almost all that might be inclined to consider the move would at least be offered a similarly lucrative contract in their home nation, France, or Japan, without the need to switch codes.

The NRL hasn't really had any success attracting established Super Rugby players, let alone internationals or Union's top talent prospects in NZ or the PI's either. Considering that it seems totally unrealistic to the point of being disconnected from reality to suggest that a program to poach RU players from further afield than the local region could be a reliable source of NRL quality talent.

Got insomnia? Sorry to keep you awake at 2:22 a.m. You complain about the NRL's off the cuff reactionary planning and about having a 20 year expansion mission statement. Ultimately though, I suspect you just like complaining. Yes, things change but most major companies have a multidecade expansion plan in place, even if there's a slim outside risk of aliens invading or future recessions. You also seem to think that these types of statements are entirely public and open to mass scrutiny but only certain parts of them get released. You only normally see the sanitised PR versions of these documents released for groups like stockholders. 95% of such documents are kept internal under corporate NDA confidences I also wouldn't be surprised if the AFL had their expansion mission plan written up in the 1990s for their 2010s expansion.

In terms of attracting talent, like you admit, we're already number one in Oceania over Union for junior talent. We don't even really need to poach senior Super Rugby talent here because we already paid a pittance for union talent when they younger and cheaper. It's Super Rugby that is paying overs to purchase developed League talent. Obviously there's no such scouting occuring for juniors in European union. But look up the salary caps for Rugby union tournaments. Only the French Top 14 and the Irish clubs exceed the NRL and not by a lot. Out of those tournaments only about two dozen players in each will receiver international top up bonuses. If you're one of the non starting internationals in any of those leagues - probably about 250 players or so in just those two countries' top flight comps - you can already potentially earn more switching to the NRL. Same for every other non starting international in every other union club competition in the world. And as the NRL expands in both club numbers and salary cap size, the financial incentive to switch codes increases and that hesitation against switching codes decreases. Obviously there's other factors like currency exchange rates etc. If you need another allegory to understand it, you can stay in Australia and work in tech and earn 250k. But if you're good you can double that in Silicon Valley. You don't need everyone to switch but it allows Silicon Valley to get the best talent worldwide. Well the NRL is becoming the Silicon Valley of club rugby in either code.

 

[Iamback]

But A-League expansion is shit, and is slowly killing their league. Its reduced clubs like the Melb Victory from 30k average crowds to 13k.

Or is that the point you are making?

Well no. They are expanding and to very minimal cost to the League, They announced a billionaire is going to run the Auckland side.

If 4 new teams are financially sound then no reason they can't come in. Out of the top 3 rookie of the year nominations

1 came from Basketball
1 came from Rugby 7's

The leading try scorer for the comp is a pom

The leading pointscorer was a fringe FGer until the Dolphins came in.

So there are players there, Coaching is the one thing lacking

 

[Iamback]

Got insomnia? Sorry to keep you awake at 2:22 a.m. You complain about the NRL's off the cuff reactionary planning and about having a 20 year expansion mission statement. Ultimately though, I suspect you just like complaining. Yes, things change but most major companies have a multidecade expansion plan in place, even if there's a slim outside risk of aliens invading or future recessions. You also seem to think that these types of statements are entirely public and open to mass scrutiny but only certain parts of them get released. You only normally see the sanitised PR versions of these documents released for groups like stockholders. 95% of such documents are kept internal under corporate NDA confidences I also wouldn't be surprised if the AFL had their expansion mission plan written up in the 1990s for their 2010s expansion.

In terms of attracting talent, like you admit, we're already number one in Oceania over Union for junior talent. We don't even really need to poach senior Super Rugby talent here because we already paid a pittance for union talent when they younger and cheaper. It's Super Rugby that is paying overs to purchase developed League talent. Obviously there's no such scouting occuring for juniors in European union. But look up the salary caps for Rugby union tournaments. Only the French Top 14 and the Irish clubs exceed the NRL and not by a lot. Out of those tournaments only about two dozen players in each will receiver international top up bonuses. If you're one of the non starting internationals in any of those leagues - probably about 250 players or so in just those two countries' top flight comps - you can already potentially earn more switching to the NRL. Same for every other non starting international in every other union club competition in the world. And as the NRL expands in both club numbers and salary cap size, the financial incentive to switch codes increases and that hesitation against switching codes decreases. Obviously there's other factors like currency exchange rates etc. If you need another allegory to understand it, you can stay in Australia and work in tech and earn 250k. But if you're good you can double that in Silicon Valley. You don't need everyone to switch but it allows Silicon Valley to get the best talent worldwide. Well the NRL is becoming the Silicon Valley of club rugby in either code.

Rugby's issue is GPS schools are filled with League players.

Sia Wong is one.

2 years our of school and played NRL finals and now touring Internationally.

He'd have school mates who stayed in Rugby who aren't even earning 1/3 his contract l. that and 7's are the type of players that would be tempted not the Super Rugby.

Having a viable business case is issue

 

[Gobsmacked]

Got to hand it to the NRL, they are tight lipped on this one!
Not so much as a rumour of a squeak as to where we are expanding!

Give me something!

 

[Canard]

Rugby's issue is GPS schools are filled with League players.

Sia Wong is one.

2 years our of school and played NRL finals and now touring Internationally.

He'd have school mates who stayed in Rugby who aren't even earning 1/3 his contract l. that and 7's are the type of players that would be tempted not the Super Rugby.

Having a viable business case is issue

GPS schools would make up less then 5% of total schooling in Australia.

Maybe less then 1%.

 

[Canard]

Well no. They are expanding and to very minimal cost to the League, They announced a billionaire is going to run the Auckland side.

If 4 new teams are financially sound then no reason they can't come in. Out of the top 3 rookie of the year nominations

1 came from Basketball
1 came from Rugby 7's

The leading try scorer for the comp is a pom

The leading pointscorer was a fringe FGer until the Dolphins came in.

So there are players there, Coaching is the one thing lacking

Where is the money coming from?

As for the A League Mate there crowds are in the toilet, there broadcast money is nothing. There are diluting there product to the point of extinction. They're an example of how not to do it.

And what is all that bollocks about Basketball players coming to League??

People need to get their head out of their arse when it comes to the Dolphins as an example.

There one season isn't suddenly going to be replicated another 3 times.

 

[AlwaysGreen]

Got to hand it to the NRL, they are tight lipped on this one!
Not so much as a rumour of a squeak as to where we are expanding!

Give me something!

Darth V'landys met with Western Pasifika Porcupines CEO Art Vandelay last week. Said that all they need is a stadium, players, a pokie den and they're in!

 

[Gobsmacked]

Darth V'landys met with Western Pasifika Porcupines CEO Art Vandelay last week. Said that all they need is a stadium, players, a pokie den and they're in!

Isn't it a Western pacifika Bears bid ?
And it has the support of J peterman himself!

 

[Dragonwest]

To proceed with PNG, you'd want a 20 year contract for that funding to be committed by the federal government.

Otherwise its a change of government away from it being a disaster.

 

[Timbo]

To proceed with PNG, you'd want a 20 year contract for that funding to be committed by the federal government.

Otherwise it’s a change of government away from it being a disaster.

Yeah, people who keep talking about this as being fine because of government backing keep forgetting the reason Albo is so gung-ho on this is because the previous LNP government slashed the AusAid budget leading to PNG, The Solomons and Vanuatu buddying up with China to makeup the shortfall.

What happens when there’s a change of government and they cut the funding? Albo can make all the long term promises he likes; history has shown time and time again that if a new government thinks they can score a few cheap political points by cancelling an opponents policies, they will.

Then suddenly we have a team in PNG that’s been propped up by millions of dollars of government money that the league has to find on its own.

 

[ouwet]

Manly and Canberra went 20 - 2 and for and against for both was around +400, Manly was around +450 lol

All meant nothing when the mighty Bulldogs smashed them both!

Manly were held try less... Canberra scored 1 token try!