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Rumoured and Confirmed signings - Part 4

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Panfa

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Ivan cleary has told robbie farah that he is staying at the tigers next yr so we either let ciraldo go on or look for someone else
 

Blues Riff

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Ivan cleary has told robbie farah that he is staying at the tigers next yr so we either let ciraldo go on or look for someone else
Yeah , or the Tigers find the situation unsatisfactory and release him early. Nothing has really changed.
 

betcats

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Someone else.

My feeling is this bunch need an outsider, they need a disciplinarian to fix the errors & defence.

Hook was a disciplinarian, it was one of his good features. He held the team to standards no matter who it was.

We need to fix the defence and errors for sure but I think that comes from being better drilled, not by getting a bigger hard ass coach.
 
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Hook was a disciplinarian, it was one of his good features. He held the team to standards no matter who it was.

We need to fix the defence and errors for sure but I think that comes from being better drilled, not by getting a bigger hard ass coach.

Well I didn’t mean off field, I mean on field discipline.
 

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Well I didn’t mean off field, I mean on field discipline.

Yeah but how do you enforce on field discipline in regards to guys dropping the ball or missing tackles? Dropping players every week is going to make things more disrupted and the combinations wont be there, we need to get the playing as one again. I think there have been a lot of individual efforts lately rather than working as a team, everyone is trying hard etc they just cant make it stick. I think that all gets fixed with better structure, more confidence in the game plan etc.
 
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Yeah but how do you enforce on field discipline in regards to guys dropping the ball or missing tackles? Dropping players every week is going to make things more disrupted and the combinations wont be there, we need to get the playing as one again. I think there have been a lot of individual efforts lately rather than working as a team, everyone is trying hard etc they just cant make it stick. I think that all gets fixed with better structure, more confidence in the game plan etc.

Dropping guys who make repeated mistakes is absolutely part of fixing the problems, as is not selecting players like Hetherington.

We need a coach who demands higher on field standards and can coach them how to achieve that.

I’m totally unconvinced a 33 year old with little experience is the right person to achieve that.
 

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Dropping guys who make repeated mistakes is absolutely part of fixing the problems, as is not selecting players like Hetherington.

We need a coach who demands higher on field standards and can coach them how to achieve that.

I’m totally unconvinced a 33 year old with little experience is the right person to achieve that.

Again, hook wasn't afraid to drop players for these reasons.

Im not convinced about Cam either but I don't think any judgement can be made on him for the last 4 weeks. That being said he managed to get that sort of discipline when he was running the nyc side. Unless we can get Bennett who is available that fits the bill? Im certainly not against bringing in a coach.
 
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Again, hook wasn't afraid to drop players for these reasons.

Im not convinced about Cam either but I don't think any judgement can be made on him for the last 4 weeks. That being said he managed to get that sort of discipline when he was running the nyc side. Unless we can get Bennett who is available that fits the bill? Im certainly not against bringing in a coach.


“And can coach them how to achieve that”


Read it again.
 

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“And can coach them how to achieve that”


Read it again.

Lol so who do you want? There isn't a coach out there(imo) who would've dropped more players in our side this year considering all the team changes and injuries. Bellamy is the only coach who has consistently been able to get his side playing the way you are describing, and flanno to a lesser extent. Bennett has at times in his career.
 
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Lol so who do you want? There isn't a coach out there(imo) who would've dropped more players in our side this year considering all the team changes and injuries. Bellamy is the only coach who has consistently been able to get his side playing the way you are describing, and flanno to a lesser extent. Bennett has at times in his career.

FFS

I’m not just talking about dropping players wily nily, I’m saying we need someone who can coach structure & then has the balls to drop someone if they make repeated mistakes or infringements.

Obviously there’s more to it than just dropping players, hence why I said we need someone experienced. And that doesn’t mean first grade experience, it just means a coach whose been around longer than a few years.

Hook dropped players but he couldn’t coach structure.

The worst thing for an inexperienced side such as ours would be doubling down with an inexperienced coach.
 

Luke Bowden

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So,
Marty - Nope
TPJ - Nope
Luke - Nope

Is there anyone of quality left? I don’t think we should be releasing Mez if not.
We have great Jnrs coming through, but they are Jnrs.

I still think we maybe trying to hold onto Peach.
 

Panfa

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Peachey is a good utility but you cant pay $500k for a utility his best position is centre and we have waqa blake who is our best centre and dean whare who is here for 4 more yrs.If we were to keep peach we would have to let go of whare who even though is a kiwi international and strong defender he has struggled with leg injuries ans his attack is not as good as it used to be
 

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FFS

I’m not just talking about dropping players wily nily, I’m saying we need someone who can coach structure & then has the balls to drop someone if they make repeated mistakes or infringements.

Obviously there’s more to it than just dropping players, hence why I said we need someone experienced. And that doesn’t mean first grade experience, it just means a coach whose been around longer than a few years.

Hook dropped players but he couldn’t coach structure.

The worst thing for an inexperienced side such as ours would be doubling down with an inexperienced coach.

Lol oh no FFS! Name an experienced coach we can realistically get who can coach effective structures, maintain on and off field discipline and keep the playing group happy and motivated?

Youre naming the wet dream of coaches and demanding the club go and hire them. There’s only one coach like that and he’s not coming to penrith. The closest thing available is bennett and he just finished below us.

Our best chance at getting a Bellamy like coach is a young new coach, every experienced coach available has already been fired or let go from a previous job ie they weren’t good enough.

I’d like the club to go out a sign an experienced hooker who can manage the game like cam smith and take off running like Isaac Luke in his prime, it’s not going to happen tho and I won’t whinge when it doesn’t.

You know who the experienced coaches that are available, pick one who can do what you are describing or get over it.

I personally think Ivan is the guy, I always have. I don’t think even bellamy gets as far in 2014 as Ivan managed too but that’s just my opinion. But if Ivan’s not available give Cam a go, or get bennett.
 

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Cam will lean on Gus, Brandy, Royce and others, I wouldn’t have a problem with giving him a shot next year. Better than bringing in a first time coach from another club.
 

franklin2323

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So,
Marty - Nope
TPJ - Nope
Luke - Nope

Is there anyone of quality left? I don’t think we should be releasing Mez if not.
We have great Jnrs coming through, but they are Jnrs.

I still think we maybe trying to hold onto Peach.

That is my thoughts exactly if better isn't around then keep what we have
 
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