Stalled and stagnant Sydney clubs

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Mariners should've been Northern Spirit but guy who set up competition was the rugby guy who created created super rugby. Both leagues now failing while competitions based around tradition & local derbies prospering.

John O'Neill?

 

[Perth Red]

Last weekends PH game between Eels and Tigers was exactly where NRL in Sydney should be by now with all the money the game has had since 2013.
Brilliant stadium, sold out 30k capacity crowd, great atmosphere that lifted the players efforts and made watching on Tv hundred times more enjoyable. That my friends is the blueprint for where the stagnant NRL in Sydney needs to be. Now how we make that the norm not just a one off Good Friday experience is the big challenge Vlandys should be answering along with the clubs.

 

[Iamback]

If only everyone could play on a sunny Public Holiday

 

[Perth Red]

If only everyone could play on a sunny Public Holiday

Thats my point, how do we take the exception and make it the norm. Its a glimpse at what could be. How do we take a one off PH experience and make it a common event in NRL in Sydney. Other sports around the world have managed it, lets not say its all too hard. All good strategies start with a vision.

 

[Iamback]

Thats my point, how do we take the exception and make it the norm. Its a glimpse at what could be. How do we take a one off PH experience and make it a common event in NRL in Sydney. Other sports around the world have managed it, lets not say its all too hard. All good strategies start with a vision.

Again with comparing to other sports that is your problem.

You can make 1 event a month but the cost alone for the fans makes it not viable.

It was the 75 year anniversary for Parra too last week

 

[Perth Red]

Again with comparing to other sports that is your problem.

You can make 1 event a month but the cost alone for the fans makes it not viable.

It was the 75 year anniversary for Parra too last week

what's wrong with comparing to others in the same business as yourself? If other sports can do it so can NRL if it had the will, the strategy, the investment and the balls. This thread is all about the stagnation of Sydney and its right, crowds audiences, registrations, has hardly moved since 2000. There is nothing specifically unique about NRL compared to any other sport. There are plenty of sports club in the world with smaller catchments than 500k people playing in new stadiums with decent crowds. Keep doing the same things the same way and get the same results.

Personally I want to watch an NRL where we have electric atmosphere in modern stadia in front of packed houses. I've found myself tuning out to most neutral NRL games these days but that game I watched intently start to finish as it wasn't like most NRL games, it was something worth giving up 2 hours of my leisure time to watch. Want to grow the game? Improve the product!

 

[Wb1234]

And I'm just saying it didnt have to be bad for RL. It was just as bad an outcome as the NRL didn't have a strategy to ensure the area remained engaged with the game like it should.

the way you talk you would think you have no idea about tradition in rugby league

the bears weren’t the only good club sacrificed for peace in rugby league and whose loss harmed the game

had there been no war natural attrition would’ve killed off a few Sydney clubs but we pr

Last weekends PH game between Eels and Tigers was exactly where NRL in Sydney should be by now with all the money the game has had since 2013.
Brilliant stadium, sold out 30k capacity crowd, great atmosphere that lifted the players efforts and made watching on Tv hundred times more enjoyable. That my friends is the blueprint for where the stagnant NRL in Sydney needs to be. Now how we make that the norm not just a one off Good Friday experience is the big challenge Vlandys should be answering along with the clubs.

i know the nrl should play all its games on Easter Monday

 

[Iamback]

what's wrong with comparing to others in the same business as yourself? If other sports can do it so can NRL if it had the will, the strategy, the investment and the balls. This thread is all about the stagnation of Sydney and its right, crowds audiences, registrations, has hardly moved since 2000. There is nothing specifically unique about NRL compared to any other sport. There are plenty of sports club in the world with smaller catchments than 500k people playing in new stadiums with decent crowds. Keep doing the same things the same way and get the same results.

Personally I want to watch an NRL where we have electric atmosphere in modern stadia in front of packed houses. I've found myself tuning out to most neutral NRL games these days but that game I watched intently start to finish as it wasn't like most NRL games, it was something worth giving up 2 hours of my leisure time to watch. Want to grow the game? Improve the product!

It isn't just sport

Why is the Royal Easter Show not every week?

Why doesn't popular bands/artists tour a couple of times a year?

It simply isn't possible. RL does need more events but you won't get one weekly

A good game is a good game. Regardless of the Stadium

Penrith v Parra semi last year was great. 9k crowd

 

[Perth Red]

It isn't just sport

Why is the Royal Easter Show not every week?

Why doesn't popular bands/artists tour a couple of times a year?

It simply isn't possible. RL does need more events but you won't get one weekly

A good game is a good game. Regardless of the Stadium

Penrith v Parra semi last year was great. 9k crowd

We're not talking every week. We are talking 10-12 home 'events' a year for a club. Even if our goal is only half of them to be that sort of experience that's only 5-6 events a year. You telling me that's not manageable? There is ZERO reason every game in Sydney couldn't eventually be played in a quality stadium in front of 20k plus people. Well zero other than a lack of vision, strategy and investment. At the moment Sydney sits in 27th place in world city attendances for NRL games compared to other leading sports in the other cities. Stagnation is a good word despite the fact the game has had over $3billion at its disposal in just the last 10 years!

 

[mongoose]

Last weekends PH game between Eels and Tigers was exactly where NRL in Sydney should be by now with all the money the game has had since 2013.
Brilliant stadium, sold out 30k capacity crowd, great atmosphere that lifted the players efforts and made watching on Tv hundred times more enjoyable. That my friends is the blueprint for where the stagnant NRL in Sydney needs to be. Now how we make that the norm not just a one off Good Friday experience is the big challenge Vlandys should be answering along with the clubs.

Eels have been getting 20k a game anyway. That Easter Monday game probably would have got 40k at Homebush.

 

[Iamback]

We're not talking every week. We are talking 10-12 home 'events' a year for a club. Even if our goal is only half of them to be that sort of experience that's only 5-6 events a year. You telling me that's not manageable? There is ZERO reason every game in Sydney couldn't eventually be played in a quality stadium in front of 20k plus people. Well zero other than a lack of vision, strategy and investment. At the moment Sydney sits in 27th place in world city attendances for NRL games compared to other leading sports in the other cities. Stagnation is a good word despite the fact the game has had over $3billion at its disposal in just the last 10 years!

Yes I am telling you it isn't management. In most cases you are better off watching the game at home and doing saving the money for elsewhere

 

[Perth Red]

Yes I am telling you it isn't management. In most cases you are better off watching the game at home and doing saving the money for elsewhere

I’ve never found watch a game at home comparable to being at the game. That’s just an excuse for lazy fans that aren’t very committed to their club. If you can afford it and can get to your clubs stadium but can’t get off your settee ten times a year to go and support your club what does that say about you as a “fan”?

having said that we also can’t expect people just to turn out. End of day they are a customer and the game day is the product, if the product isn’t meeting the customers needs then we can hardly blame them for not buying it. emotional attachment only goes so far. Sadly our business model at the moment doesn’t seem very interested in making the product that’s a must buy item for more customers. nrl has decided the product will be for tv sales and stuff the game day product.

 

[Iamback]

I’ve never found watch a game at home comparable to being at the game. That’s just an excuse for lazy fans that aren’t very committed to their club. If you can afford it and can get to your clubs stadium but can’t get off your settee ten times a year to go and support your club what does that say about you as a “fan”?

having said that we also can’t expect people just to turn out. End of day they are a customer and the game day is the product, if the product isn’t meeting the customers needs then we can hardly blame them for not buying it. emotional attachment only goes so far. Sadly our business model at the moment doesn’t seem very interested in making the product that’s a must buy item for more customers. nrl has decided the product will be for tv sales and stuff the game day product.

Do you have kids?
A partner that doesn't like sport?

I go to most games because I live locally. Next year might go to a couple of the big ones

Certainly am not going to race home from work. To drive 90 min round trip for an event that only goes for 80 mins.

Nor will I after rushing around doing family things all Sat to jump in a car again for travel that takes longer then the event. Whilist paying upwards of $100 for the privledge

 

[Perth Red]

Do you have kids?
A partner that doesn't like sport?

I go to most games because I live locally. Next year might go to a couple of the big ones

Certainly am not going to race home from work. To drive 90 min round trip for an event that only goes for 80 mins.

Nor will I after rushing around doing family things all Sat to jump in a car again for travel that takes longer then the event. Whilist paying upwards of $100 for the privledge

That’s your personal circumstance and isnt just about it being “easier” to watch on tv. you’ve mentioned three key consumer considerations, ease of access, price point and value for money. You can add in facilities, quality of game, other entertainment around the game etc. there will always be “reasons” for not doing something, especially of it takes some effort and finance but end of day do you choose to get out and support your club or not. If you choose not to then I’d call you a supporter not a fan. The target for the nrl should be to make more games must do events so more and more people choose yes rather than no. There’s a range of initiatives they could do in conjunction with clubs if they had that target.

 

[Iamback]

That’s your personal circumstance and isnt just about it being “easier” to watch on tv. you’ve mentioned three key consumer considerations, ease of access, price point and value for money. You can add in facilities, quality of game, other entertainment around the game etc. there will always be “reasons” for not doing something, especially of it takes some effort and finance but end of day do you choose to get out and support your club or not. If you choose not to then I’d call you a supporter not a fan. The target for the nrl should be to make more games must do events so more and more people choose yes rather than no. There’s a range of initiatives they could do in conjunction with clubs if they had that target.

I haven't missed a home game since 2004. So I am more of a fan than most people.

Things change. The timeslot of games, lack of anything I can't see on Tv and most of all Parramatta being a bad location.

In this case.

 

[siv]

I’ve never found watch a game at home comparable to being at the game. That’s just an excuse for lazy fans that aren’t very committed to their club. If you can afford it and can get to your clubs stadium but can’t get off your settee ten times a year to go and support your club what does that say about you as a “fan”?

having said that we also can’t expect people just to turn out. End of day they are a customer and the game day is the product, if the product isn’t meeting the customers needs then we can hardly blame them for not buying it. emotional attachment only goes so far. Sadly our business model at the moment doesn’t seem very interested in making the product that’s a must buy item for more customers. nrl has decided the product will be for tv sales and stuff the game day product.

Buy a 75 inch screen

Feels like your in the same room or as if you sitting in the stand

 

[siv]

That’s your personal circumstance and isnt just about it being “easier” to watch on tv. you’ve mentioned three key consumer considerations, ease of access, price point and value for money. You can add in facilities, quality of game, other entertainment around the game etc. there will always be “reasons” for not doing something, especially of it takes some effort and finance but end of day do you choose to get out and support your club or not. If you choose not to then I’d call you a supporter not a fan. The target for the nrl should be to make more games must do events so more and more people choose yes rather than no. There’s a range of initiatives they could do in conjunction with clubs if they had that target.

You have missed a important one

Travel time

Some of us sit in a car or train 1.5h to get to a game and then 1.5h to travel home

When games finish after 10pm you get home at midnight

 

[Perth Red]

I haven't missed a home game since 2004. So I am more of a fan than most people.

Things change. The timeslot of games, lack of anything I can't see on Tv and most of all Parramatta being a bad location.

In this case.

I’ve got a movie room I watch Storm games in, 110”. still nothing like being at the game. You just don’t get the anticipation, the sensory experiences, the buzz of being around other fans, the joint cheering and singing. seeing sport through a screen is simply not comparable To a live experience.

 

[Perth Red]

You have missed a important one

Travel time

Some of us sit in a car or train 1.5h to get to a game and then 1.5h to travel home

When games finish after 10pm you get home at midnight

Yeh i mentioned ease of access. I wouldn’t expect many people to travel 3hrs round trip to go to a game. However if you put a 45min travel circle around a stadium that is more than manageable and acceptable for a fan and there’d be hundred of thousands of people living in that radius.

 

[Iamback]

You have missed a important one

Travel time

Some of us sit in a car or train 1.5h to get to a game and then 1.5h to travel home

When games finish after 10pm you get home at midnight

Given we are 6-0. Safe to say Penrith will likely have a similar draw.

Getting home after midnight before work isn't viable for some