Can RL take over from RU in NZ?

[dallymessenger]

Your actually a new paranoid fan who hates anything rugby union and even lie about it aye . I've been around RL forums while you were still in nappies . Parra and other real forum members wil tell you . But here's an advice from a old forum member . The more you argue rugby union on here the less sleep and paranoid you get . I think everyone here is sick of it . We have had this league overtaking union on RL forums as long as I can remember . Shi* Im still waiting and its been ages . Some members have left the forum because its now pass the years which they promise that league will overtake union . Anyway . Welcome to LU mate .

well since youve been doing it for so long and have learned not to bother to argue, why the feck are you still arguing you drop kick.

take your own advice and leave the thread alone rather than ranting like a lunatic/

 

[Polynesian Warrior]

:lol: at poly warrior. You've seriously got no clue mate. Union in Queensland is dead, or so close to it that it makes no difference. Just in the last few years I've seen high schools disband union teams and replace them with league teams or go from having both league and union to dropping the union team. RL in primary schools is growing each year and union doesn't even have a presence there.

I have no idea how union is going at amateur club level but I think it'd be fair to assume that it isn't bucking the trend that the Wobblies, Deads and schools are setting...


Union growing in Queensland... :crazy: ffs you're as bad as the reality avoiding tards on Bigfooty.

Ok mate ! Since you think you know more I want you to name those rugby union schools who have disband their rugby union teams ? Here's something that would blow your mind apart .
Whats the biggest rugby competition in Queensland schools ? Here's a hint . It aint rugby league .

 

[dallymessenger]

Did I say that ? It has more money and played more internationals that the Samoan rugby league team .


Here's a hint . What were the Warriors crowds like when they weren't winning ?
Warriors, Melbourne Stroms are 1 league team town . Are you saying that 15,000 is unexceptable in Melborne and New Zealand ?:shock:

If you use crowd numbers at games to decide who is failing and who is growing then I guess you add up the rugby league international crowds in Wellington last year .

wow and i thought previous posts were dumb.

Queensland is supposed to be a heartland RU state, whilst melbourne is not a heartland RL state.

to compare union crowds in queensland with league crowds in melbourne is really dumb.

 

[Polynesian Warrior]

Common Warrior you can do better then that. How many international ALF games has Samoa played?

Alot more than the Samoan rugby league team .



[/quote]Very good point Warrior but I am not the one saying that Leagues grass roots are growing in Melbourne and Auckland. Your talking it up in QLD and i am just pointing out that all the evidence would say that Union's Heartlands are in NSW & QLD and both heartlands are losing ground to League and AFL. I am not making up stories just stating facts.[/quote]
League has always been number one in NSW & QLD and always will . Did I mention that union was above league in this states ?...No

And while your talking about wellington.....:shock:......Union is looking just as bad.

We were talking about the best two rugby league international team in the world . And you compare that to provincial footy .

Crowd Sizes a Sorry Sight
"There were 31,571 at Westpac Stadium for last week's match against the Crusaders, but only 16,000 turned up to watch the Reds in the second round, and 16,900 for the Chiefs match a week later."

Tell me a NRL team that wouldn't be happy with 16,000 to a home game .

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[Lockyer4President!]

Ok mate ! Since you think you know more I want you to name those rugby union schools who have disband their rugby union teams ? Here's something that would blow your mind apart .
Whats the biggest rugby competition in Queensland schools ? Here's a hint . It aint rugby league .

:lol: Classic mindless troll behaviour. Where are these figures showing union's growth in Queensland?

I live here. I've seen the schools change first hand. I've seen the numbers of kids and teams playing league increase significantly. Ditto for seeing the numbers and teams of union decrease to almost nothing.

Rugby union has died in Queensland before and that was with only rugby league as competition. It'll die again but this time it won't be able to rely upon handouts from rugby league to help bring it back to life.

 

[joshreading]

Tell me a NRL team that wouldn't be happy with 16,000 to a home game .

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How about Brisbane, North Queensland, Gold Coast, Newcastle. Each of those would generally find 16000 to be a bad turn out.

 

[Polynesian Warrior]

wow and i thought previous posts were dumb.

Queensland is supposed to be a heartland RU state, whilst melbourne is not a heartland RL state.

to compare union crowds in queensland with league crowds in melbourne is really dumb.

Rugby union team in A rugby league dominated state . A rugby league team in a AFL dominated state .

Am I missing something here ?

thanks for that, ive never seen so much BS packed in one post.

Yeah, I thought those decline rugby league player numbers figures in NZ might upset you . Tell me what the rugby league player numbers in NZ are if you think Im wrong ?

rather than wastre my time on a long response, as the S14 continues to fail whilst the NRL gets stronger Ratings, crowds and money, think of me.

the game is booming, and nz with it. union on the other hand is stagnating. RL fans have never had it so good vs ru in nz. a trend i expect to continue

The NRL has always rates well in Australia and crowds up and down depends on where your team are in the ladder and the money is up. But the NRL clubs seem to be loosing money and depend on pokie machines .

Your dream about NZ reminds me of my wet dream about Jessica Alba . It seem so real but it wasn't .

What happen to the Bartercard Cup in NZ ? :lol::lol:

 

[Cheezel]

You realy have got to look both ways at this . I mean it wasn't long ago that the Kangaroo's sent their B & C teams to play Great Britain when players and clubs were calling the shots on who should go on tour or not . Most time the Kiwi's play the Kangaroo's without their British players . So is that not under strenght ?.

When was this? The only time I have seen it happen is when Super League was around and those players were not allowed to tour with the ARL.

In regards to the Kiwis they have just secured the release of the two players they wanted from the super league in the UK. League usually has most internationals after the League season finishes when all players are available.

If you been on rugby league forums as long as I have you will know most rugby league fans would love to see test matches involve the big three played in places like Hong Kong, Dubai, Tokyo and so on .

Yes and I would be one of them . When the ARL took a state of Origin game to the US for a one off I didn't see the benefit for the game in both the US and Australia. Union would do better to keep the publicity and promotion of the game going in Australia. One off games are a waste of time. It's a top down approach that does not work!

Rugby union has its place in Australia wether they are 4th, 5th or 6th in oder of winter codes . There was nothing wrong with the sport when it was amateur or semi pro and players not earning any money from the game..

I agree and never said it didn't have a place in Australia. But what I am saying is that It has lost ground to League and AFL who both continue to increase crowds and TV viewers.

If you compare rugby union in Australia now to 1970/80s in regards to player numbers, money, TV ratings and Wallabies profile . Then you know that rugby union has come a long way . Its like rags to riches story .But then again . Australia rugby union are a million miles better off than the New Zealand rugby league are .

Really:lol: the NZRL lost 1.7 Million last year and the ARU lost...........that's right 14 Million big ones:crazy: so the more money you loose the better off you are? Are you sure your not an Irish Warrior :roll:

 

[Polynesian Warrior]

How about Brisbane, North Queensland, Gold Coast, Newcastle. Each of those would generally find 16000 to be a bad turn out.

Fair enough . Some teams aim high and some teams would just be happy to have more than 10,000 . Penrith, Raiders, Storms, Souths, Paramatta and Warriors would be happy with 16,000 .

 

[Polynesian Warrior]

:lol: Classic mindless troll behaviour. Where are these figures showing union's growth in Queensland?

I live here. I've seen the schools change first hand. I've seen the numbers of kids and teams playing league increase significantly. Ditto for seeing the numbers and teams of union decrease to almost nothing.

Rugby union has died in Queensland before and that was with only rugby league as competition. It'll die again but this time it won't be able to rely upon handouts from rugby league to help bring it back to life.

I live here too buddy . I coach a league team at Aspley and a union team in North QUT and do development around the schools in the northside and brisbane . I have seen more state schools taking a rugby union team than the other way around . So Im waiting . What rugby union schools have switch to league for the second time ?

 

[dallymessenger]

Rugby union team in A rugby league dominated state . A rugby league team in a AFL dominated state .

Am I missing something here ?


Yeah, I thought those decline rugby league player numbers figures in NZ might upset you . Tell me what the rugby league player numbers in NZ are if you think Im wrong ?


The NRL has always rates well in Australia and crowds up and down depends on where your team are in the ladder and the money is up. But the NRL clubs seem to be loosing money and depend on pokie machines .

Your dream about NZ reminds me of my wet dream about Jessica Alba . It seem so real but it wasn't .

What happen to the Bartercard Cup in NZ ? :lol::lol:

queensland is an RU heartland. yes i know its small vs league but its still a traditional state.

good to see all those years spent on forums like this have improved your arguing skills a lot.

i feel sorry for the people that have had to put up with your posts for so long

 

[Cheezel]

Another article on the state of Rugby Union in SA, NZ and AUS

http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,23377683-23217,00.html

"And the worst may be yet to come, because unless a miracle arises in the next couple of years, the NZRU stands to lose $30 million or so from hosting the 2011 World Cup. Now is it a little clearer why the Kiwis wanted the number of competing teams reduced from 20 to 16?"

I wonder how much the ARL will lose from holding the RLWC? If it makes $1 it will be better off then the NZRU. Could this be the straw that broke the camels back?

 

[dallymessenger]

Another article on the state of Rugby Union in SA, NZ and AUS

http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,23377683-23217,00.html

"And the worst may be yet to come, because unless a miracle arises in the next couple of years, the NZRU stands to lose $30 million or so from hosting the 2011 World Cup. Now is it a little clearer why the Kiwis wanted the number of competing teams reduced from 20 to 16?"

I wonder how much the ARL will lose from holding the RLWC? If it makes $1 it will be better off then the NZRU. Could this be the straw that broke the camels back?

ours is looking quite good financally.

the queensland government paid $3 - 4 million for the final to be played in queensland.

ticket sales so far have been good and a number of TV companies have been signed up already.

thats why the 10 team format was chosen

 

[dallymessenger]

I live here too buddy . I coach a league team at Aspley and a union team in North QUT and do development around the schools in the northside and brisbane . I have seen more state schools taking a rugby union team than the other way around . So Im waiting . What rugby union schools have switch to league for the second time ?

maybe thats cause you are only looking with one eye.

RU in queensland
:lol:

 

[Cheezel]

Yes I must say once I have a look on the web things seem much worse for Rugby Union then I first thought :sarcasm:

http://www.leaguehq.com.au/news/new...their-game-back/2008/03/12/1205126011763.html

"The loser in the rescheduling is union, which is rapidly becoming No.4 in the football hierarchy in Australia. Super 14 games will be shifted from Fox Sports 2 to Fox Sports 3.Asked whether there had been any reaction from union to the switch, a Fox Sports spokesman said: "Absolutely nothing. They are saying they don't have an issue with it."

If Fox is kicking Union off to Fox Sports 3 won't that hurt the ratings even more for Union?

So in conculsion after all the evidence I think League can take over from Rugby Union in NZ if all the articles I posted end up to be true. It won't happen over night......but it will happen!

 

[Lockyer4President!]

I live here too buddy . I coach a league team at Aspley and a union team in North QUT and do development around the schools in the northside and brisbane . I have seen more state schools taking a rugby union team than the other way around . So Im waiting . What rugby union schools have switch to league for the second time ?

A) If you actually lived here (which I seriously doubt) you wouldn't be talking so much bullsh*t.
B) I'm still waiting for stats showing union's growth in Queensland. Take your time champ.
C) The schools that I mentioned changing from union to league (and those dropping the union team) are catholic high schools in Brisbane's southside/logan/the redlands.

I'm also involved with primary schools (both catholic and state) and the junior comps are not only growing in the number of schools competing but also the number of kids playing and teams representing each school.


It must be tough for you to be following a sport that's dying while a sport you seemingly hate is experiencing a renaissance. ;-)

 

[dallymessenger]

Yes I must say once I have a look on the web things seem much worse for Rugby Union then I first thought :sarcasm:

http://www.leaguehq.com.au/news/new...their-game-back/2008/03/12/1205126011763.html

"The loser in the rescheduling is union, which is rapidly becoming No.4 in the football hierarchy in Australia. Super 14 games will be shifted from Fox Sports 2 to Fox Sports 3.Asked whether there had been any reaction from union to the switch, a Fox Sports spokesman said: "Absolutely nothing. They are saying they don't have an issue with it."

If Fox is kicking Union off to Fox Sports 3 won't that hurt the ratings even more for Union?

So in conculsion after all the evidence I think League can take over from Rugby Union if all the articles I posted end up to be true.

with the quality of football in the S14, Fox will soon be moving it to the comedy channel.

 

[dallymessenger]

A) If you actually lived here (which I seriously doubt) you wouldn't be talking so much bullsh*t.
B) I'm still waiting for stats showing union's growth in Queensland. Take your time champ.
C) The schools that I mentioned changing from union to league (and those dropping the union team) are catholic high schools in Brisbane's southside/logan/the redlands.

I'm also involved with primary schools (both catholic and state) and the junior comps are not only growing in the number of schools competing but also the number of kids playing and teams representing each school.


It must be tough for you to be following a sport that's dying while a sport you seemingly hate is experiencing a renaissance. ;-)

exactly.

all these union fans must be spewing watching the S14 dieing whilst RL goes from strength to strength

 

[Polynesian Warrior]

When was this? The only time I have seen it happen is when Super League was around and those players were not allowed to tour with the ARL.

In regards to the Kiwis they have just secured the release of the two players they wanted from the super league in the UK. League usually has most internationals after the League season finishes when all players are available.

I thought you were a rugby league fan . Check the teams that played in the tri-nations in the uk tour UK in the last couple of years and tell me if they were the best team Australia had . Check how many players pullout for personal reasons and clubs pull them out bot the Kiwi's and Kangaroo's .
Im not talking about the two players Im talking about how long has the Kiwi's been denied players from Superleague to play in the test matches .

Yes and I would be one of them . When the ARL took a state of Origin game to the US for a one off I didn't see the benefit for the game in both the US and Australia. Union would do better to keep the publicity and promotion of the game going in Australia. One off games are a waste of time. It's a top down approach that does not work!

What makes you think this Hong Kong test match is a one off ? It might not work for rugby league in the states but Im sure there are fans of both the Wallabies and All Blacks living in Asia who would love to watch them and buy merchandise etc . Its a marketing brilliance .

I agree and never said it didn't have a place in Australia. But what I am saying is that It has lost ground to League and AFL who both continue to increase crowds and TV viewers.

It might have lost ground to league but it still sports that thousands of kids and adults love and that what counts .
AFL is a national competition in Australia and the Lions have done well in the last couple of years and to their credits its on free to air .
Now that they are not doing well their tv ratings have drop . The Reds on the other hand are a pathetic lot and needs to win and do well . Its start at the top and the Reds fail big time .

Really:lol: the NZRL lost 1.7 Million last year and the ARU lost...........that's right 14 Million big ones:crazy: so the more money you loose the better off you are? Are you sure your not an Irish Warrior

The NZRL lost 1.7 Million and ARU lost 14 Million = NZRL Big 0 and ARU = Millions & Millions . Whats the point . We know most of that is from the ARC . The more money you lose . The better you are at planning ahead so it doesn't happen again . Im sure the Warriors, Storms, Newcastle and other NRL clubs would be or have been planning ahead in the past .

 

[Polynesian Warrior]

Another article on the state of Rugby Union in SA, NZ and AUS

Thats what happen when you have three countries running the S14 and can't agree together but I sure in the future there will a S14 Board running the show on their own .

"And the worst may be yet to come, because unless a miracle arises in the next couple of years, the NZRU stands to lose $30 million or so from hosting the 2011 World Cup. Now is it a little clearer why the Kiwis wanted the number of competing teams reduced from 20 to 16?"

I wonder how much the ARL will lose from holding the RLWC? If it makes $1 it will be better off then the NZRU. Could this be the straw that broke the camels back?

Sorry to burst your bubbles but the ARU and the French also were expecting to lose millions hosting the RWC but it was far from it . The Auckland City Council and New Zealand goverment will come in to help just like the Federal Australia goverment and NSW did in 2003 . NZRU knew what the risks were hosting the RWC and knew they didn't have the big stadiums and so on . But hey, look in the bright side . The NZ goverment will update and help built the rugby stadiums which are all due for work . And it just go to show that the RWC is now not just any tournament taken for granted . As for the NZRU and 30 million dollars . Well the their sponsor with Adidas is worth 100 milliom (I think) . In sure the IRB will get over millions and millions from RWC to help fund rugby around the globe .