AB's v Wallabies @ Auckland

[Roosterphin1]

Surely Elsom should be dropped and Genia made captain. he is a shadow of the player he once was.

For mine the wallabies defensive structure looked confused and may be to do with the fact that most of them are defending in different positions due to 'I cant tackle" Cooper hiding on the wing. Everyone knows big games are won on defence so if you cant tackle you shouldn't be picked.

WTF is with McCabe playing? Surely Faiingaa is a better option. And p*ss Moore off as well he is crap.

Needs more Reds

 

[Thomas]

Moore had a good game last night. He was in all the rough stuff but also had some good runs in close to the ruck. I agree with Elsom. The guy just looks unfit. He's probably too busy wheezing to ask the ref a question.

Coopers tackling ability is far outweighed by his counter attacking ability. As soon as the team sorts out their defence, they'll be fine. The AB defence was awesome last night. The Wallabies would have beaten any other team in the world.

 

[Te Kaha]

Moore had a good game last night. He was in all the rough stuff but also had some good runs in close to the ruck. I agree with Elsom. The guy just looks unfit. He's probably too busy wheezing to ask the ref a question.

Coopers tackling ability is far outweighed by his counter attacking ability. As soon as the team sorts out their defence, they'll be fine. The AB defence was awesome last night. The Wallabies would have beaten any other team in the world.

you honestly believe that???? not a chance.. England and SA could have beaten you.. they both play the power game... The wannabies are weak upfront.. put them on the back foot and they fold.. like last night.

 

[Thomas]

Bullshit. When the Wallabies got fast ball they looked great. The speed the game was played at would have destroyed most of the other teams.

The NZ defence won them the game. I doubt England or SA would have defended like that. What the Wallabies did badly was adjust to NZ's defencive pattern. As soon as they start running close into the ruck, they made metres. A more astute captain than Rocky would have noticed this within the first 10 minutes. As it was, they had to be told it at half time. The Aussies played dumb rugby.

 

[Parra]

Easy to say that with a reasonable kicker and no try from the kickoff that there is a 16 point turnaround. That makes it 34-all without even bringing in the Joubert factor.

Problem is the kiwis were never tested. If we had kicked those 9 points and defended that kickoff what would they have done? They appeared to have plenty in reserve and could stop us when it mattered. But as they were not tested we will not know. And neither will they. On paper it could easily have been 34-34. Games are not won on paper. World Cups are not won in August.

 

[Te Kaha]

Bullshit. When the Wallabies got fast ball they looked great. The speed the game was played at would have destroyed most of the other teams.

The NZ defence won them the game. I doubt England or SA would have defended like that. What the Wallabies did badly was adjust to NZ's defencive pattern. As soon as they start running close into the ruck, they made metres. A more astute captain than Rocky would have noticed this within the first 10 minutes. As it was, they had to be told it at half time. The Aussies played dumb rugby.

Both SA and England would have slowed the ball down.. its what they are good at... The wannabies had no plan B... when cooper was poor they fell to pieces... the Aussies are turning into a one man team even more so than the AB's are...

Easy to say that with a reasonable kicker and no try from the kickoff that there is a 16 point turnaround. That makes it 34-all without even bringing in the Joubert factor.

Problem is the kiwis were never tested. If we had kicked those 9 points and defended that kickoff what would they have done? They appeared to have plenty in reserve and could stop us when it mattered. But as they were not tested we will not know. And neither will they. On paper it could easily have been 34-34. Games are not won on paper. World Cups are not won in August.

And had joubert picked up all of the forward passes from Aussie they may never have got on the scoring sheet...

 

[Parra]

Forward passes .pfffftt. One that stands out and it had no bearing on the match.

 

[Te Kaha]

Forward passes .pfffftt. One that stands out and it had no bearing on the match.

One? there was almost a dozen forward passes... that happens when you are back peddling...

 

[Habitual Linestepper]

McCaw is bigger and slower than Pocock. He's like another number 8. That's why his game has changed. A pure fetcher will always be needed it's just that the AB defence was immense. They first guy into the ruck really knows how to seal off the ball. Against any other team Pocock would have had a field day.

One of the penalties Pocock 'gave away' was not rolling away from the tackle. At the time he was sandwiched between 2 players and was unable to move. Still, he plays a fine line between cheating and playing fairly...like all good number 7's do. Higginbotham really needs to start. The Wallabies need his physicality.

Haha McCaw is like another 8? He's the best 7 in the game and has been for close to 10 years. Pocock will never reach the level Richie has over the last couple of years.

 

[Parra]

One? there was almost a dozen forward passes... that happens when you are back peddling...

One.


Among Jouberts misses, mistakes and general screw-ups it was of no consequence at all.

 

[Thomas]

Haha McCaw is like another 8? He's the best 7 in the game and has been for close to 10 years. Pocock will never reach the level Richie has over the last couple of years.

We'll see.

 

[Habitual Linestepper]

We'll see.

It's not a bad thing, McCaw has been one of the best 7's to ever play the game, imo it's no coincidence that the All Blacks domination over the last 8-9 years (except World Cups) has coincided with the maturing of Richie McCaw...I guess it helps having one of the best number 10's ever in the team too.

 

[Parra]

It's not a bad thing, McCaw has been one of the best 7's to ever play the game, imo it's no coincidence that the All Blacks domination over the last 8-9 years (except World Cups) has coincided with the maturing of Richie McCaw...I guess it helps having one of the best number 10's ever in the team too.

The best 7 I've seen.

The best all-round 10. Very hard to top.

 

[Te Kaha]

One.


Among Jouberts misses, mistakes and general screw-ups it was of no consequence at all.

Rubbish.. watch the game again.. there were plenty.

 

[Thomas]

Jesus, the All Blacks win convincingly and still they bleat about the ref.

It doesn't end, does it?

 

[Te Kaha]

Jesus, the All Blacks win convincingly and still they bleat about the ref.

It doesn't end, does it?

Bullshit... there is no kiwi bleating about the ref... thats in direct response to all the Aussie whinging below... you guys are blaming the ref for getting your arse handed to you on a plate.

For example:

and Joubert had called the knock on that led to the AB try to Sivivatu

Joubert didn't have the best game.

One of the penalties Pocock 'gave away' was not rolling away from the tackle. At the time he was sandwiched between 2 players and was unable to move.

4. Joubert's refereeing was terrible again.
5. The AB's are much, much better at adapting to poor refereeing

 

[Thomas]

But I am following the New Zealand Rugby Fan's Laws and Rules of Post Game Analysis (1999) and re-issued (2007) whereby any loss can be directly attributed to the ref's performance and not to the ability of the opposition or the poor play by the losing team. It's standard practice for New Zealand rugby fans (see this years Reds-Crusaders game) so I thought I'd adopt it.

The Wallabies were outplayed and outcoached. I'm not disputing that. However, you do have to be extremely one-eyed to suggest that the AB's didn't get the rub of the green from the ref's poor decisions...or lack thereof. If the Joubert didn't have a shocker would the Wallabies have won? Probably not. O'Beiber left 9 easy points on the field and the Aussies couldn't finish good moves which, against any other team, would have resulted in a lot of points.

 

[Te Kaha]

But I am following the New Zealand Rugby Fan's Laws and Rules of Post Game Analysis (1999) and re-issued (2007) whereby any loss can be directly attributed to the ref's performance and not to the ability of the opposition or the poor play by the losing team. It's standard practice for New Zealand rugby fans (see this years Reds-Crusaders game) so I thought I'd adopt it.

The Wallabies were outplayed and outcoached. I'm not disputing that. However, you do have to be extremely one-eyed to suggest that the AB's didn't get the rub of the green from the ref's poor decisions...or lack thereof. If the Joubert didn't have a shocker would the Wallabies have won? Probably not. O'Beiber left 9 easy points on the field and the Aussies couldn't finish good moves which, against any other team, would have resulted in a lot of points.

Horseshit.. Joubert had a crap game.. but it didnt go against either team.. the Wannabies wouldnt have had 60% of the ball if all there foward passes had been pulled up.. they may not have been able to score a single point... and as for the 3 missed goals.. had the ABs not blown a couple of try scoring plays the score could have been higher still... there were two tries that would have been disallowed had joubert done his job... Reid's "knock-on" and Digbys from Horwills "steal" where he was playing AB halfback.. despite not being the tackler.

 

[Parra]

As long as a player enters the ruck correctly - which Horwill did - he can go right through if the opposition let him.

9 points + a fluke try from the kick-off - there is the 16pt difference right there. But it is not that simple. The AB's looked like they could step it up if they had to, the Wallabies could not.

The ref & the missed goals did not influence the result of the game.

 

[Te Kaha]

As long as a player enters the ruck correctly - which Horwill did - he can go right through if the opposition let him.

9 points + a fluke try from the kick-off - there is the 16pt difference right there. But it is not that simple. The AB's looked like they could step it up if they had to, the Wallabies could not.

The ref & the missed goals did not influence the result of the game.

That would be true if he entered the ruck correctly.. he didnt.