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The Bomb or Up and Under

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RL1908

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The 20m restart when ball caught on full in in-goal by defending team was introduced for start of 1986 season.

The instance mentioned earlier of Parramatta/Cronin wasn't feigning to kick at goal (that was made illegal after Messenger in early 1900s).

After finding touch from a penalty, while it is usual to take a tap re-start as the "second kick", the rule actually specifies "free kick" as the re-start - Cronin was using that to kick the ball across field towards the goal line - if he had kicked a goal from that it wouldn't have counted.

Free Kick (Second Kick)
4. The ball may be kicked in any direction in any manner when bringing it into play after entering touch and the kicker himself may pick up the ball after he has kicked it.
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FREE KICK is the kick awarded to a team which kicks into touch from a penalty kick. The kick is taken 10 metres in from touch opposite the point of entry into touch and the ball may be kicked in any manner in any direction. A goal cannot be scored from it, nor can ground be gained by only kicking into touch on the full.
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Bobby DIGital

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Green Machine said:
Jack had another kicking option with a penalty kick. For a wide out attempt, Jack would get kicker to aim for the ball to land in the in-goal and for the players to chase through and contest the ball.
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Yes. I've got Origin 1 1990 on tape. Michael O'Connor took a shot at goal from like 5 metres out on the touchline. Ian Roberts came through and tried to jump and score from it.

Gibson was coach.
 
MARSHALL ZHUKOV

MARSHALL ZHUKOV

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An up and under is a type of kick in various codes of football. It is a high short punt onto or behind the defending team is a useful tactic both for attacking and defending. In Australian rules football and rugby league it also known as a bomb, while in rugby union it is also called a Garryowen after the Garryowen Football Club that popularised the use of this tactic.

The execution of a bomb is similar to the punt kick, with the main difference in execution being the angle held relative to the body and the position of the ball where the foot makes the contact. The ball is held vertically (upright) or parallel with the body. It is released with one hand on each side and the boot makes contact on the bottom point of the ball.

The result is a towering ball which should rotate end on end. The height of the kick makes the ball susceptible to wind which causes the ball to change direction. Also, the ball gathers speed as it falls closer to the ground and this combined with the swirling can also cause the ball to change direction, making it difficult for the opposition to take the ball cleanly.

In Australian rugby league, the bomb was popularised by Easts' and Parramatta's John "Bomber" Peard in the 1970s. However, by the 1980s, it became increasingly seen as a negative or unexciting tactic, and a rule change was made to lessen its effect: A bomb (or any type of kick) caught on the full in the in-goal area by the defending side now resulted in an automatic 20 metre tap restart, sometimes colloquially known as defusing the bomb. Grubber kicks or cross kicks are now often used in preference to bombing into the in-goal area.

In recent times the "Up and Under" was mastered by Bobby Goulding helping St. Helens to the inaugural Super League title, and several others after that. It was a common feature of the Saints and though it suffered criticism for its 'negative' quality (at the same time rugby union was under similar scrutiny for turning into a 'kicking' game) it was an extremely effective tactic. The risky nature of the ball (for the catcher) and the opportunity for the pursuing players to challenge for it made it an often comical, and controversial move particularly in the case of defensive players 'chickening out' under pressure.

In the 1970s the phrase "up and under" became associated with Rugby League in Britain, when it became the catchphrase of Eddie Waring, an English rugby league coach, commentator and television presenter.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Up_and_under
 
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Didn't Terry lamb attempt to kick a penalty goal and as he came in, he dribbled the ball along the ground and picked it up and was subsequently penalised?
 
Eels Dude

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Geohood said:
An umbrella rule like that would never work.. Some take good skill, and you can score a lucky try from many different ways really..
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Not only that but some tries involve kicking and passing so where do you draw the line.
 
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Them's the rules said:
Having informed the Referee of his intention to kick at goal from an awarded penalty kick the kicker shall not do otherwise
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Don't know if it's still the case, but rules at one point didn't appear to specify what the obligations of the non-offending side were i.e. if they say nothing, but just set for a goal kick, what then?

There didn't seem to be an clear edict "Upon receiving a penalty, the non-offending team must inform the referee of their intentions" - though obviously in real world situations, the ref is going to make them decide.
 
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*Paul* said:
Don't know if it's still the case, but rules at one point didn't appear to specify what the obligations of the non-offending side were i.e. if they say nothing, but just set for a goal kick, what then?

There didn't seem to be an clear edict "Upon receiving a penalty, the non-offending team must inform the referee of their intentions" - though obviously in real world situations, the ref is going to make them decide.
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you can't say nothing :?

you must tell the referee what it is you are doing apon a request from said referee .. ie kicking for goal
after which he points to the post & the touch judges take up position behind deal ball line ... behind the posts

once the ref points to the posts
thats it ... a kick for goal must be taken

what Mick Cronin used to do was totally different
he'd tell the ref he's kicking for line ... but set up a place kick .. & kick it this way
legal then ... still is
but not used because you are in most instances just giving the ball back to the opposition.
 
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madunit said:
Didn't Terry lamb attempt to kick a penalty goal and as he came in, he dribbled the ball along the ground and picked it up and was subsequently penalised?
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dunno .. but if he did , yes he'd of been penalised as this is a breach of the rules.
 
miănfèinàn

miănfèinàn

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Raiderdave said:
correct

the rule changed for the 1986 season ... as a result of what occured in the 1985 Grand Final
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It’s obvious how predictable the 1985 Grand Final was when Steve Mortimer bombed Glen Burgess every time.

On the other hand, if you watch the 1994 Grand Final immediately afterwards (something I would 100 percent recommend) might one doubt that such dreadful “fullbacks” as Scott Wilson would have ever played on a regular basis if the rule had not been altered?? Wilson had been playing at fullback for six years and everybody knew he was unsafe under the high ball - yet Chris Anderson willfully ignored this when he bought Wilson as a fullback and potentially cost the Bulldogs a hat-trick of premierships (if Canterbury had had top player there they would have been near-unbeatable in 1993 and 1994 but if Sheens watched the 1993 major semi he would have known how to beat them with the bomb as he did in 1994).
 
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magpie4ever

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PaddyBoy said:
I was reading that chat before, the up and under was from union, but the attacking one into the in goal started in the 70s not sure where.
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Spot on - from the garry owen in rugby but John Peard - Parramatta (the bomber) brought it into play as an attacking ploy in the 70s
 
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