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[ParraEelsNRL]

Ahhh bless.. editing a story to back up a point of view...

Of course the real reason is

"The Moroccan clubs have been invited back to Rabat to discuss rugby league?s official status, with the government apparently unaware that separate rugby federations are commonplace throughout the world. The RLEF and European Parliament will support the bid to obtain an independent federation."

The fact the government didn?t understand that Rugby and League were separate sports and not a breakaway "rebel" comp had nothing at all to do with it?

Yeah unheard of for the last 30 odd years that the country has dabbled in the game.

Trackhead!

 

[ParraEelsNRL]

Examples with no evidence. and since you have already lied in one of your examples, as seen below, you need to provide evidence to support these "examples".. which you are not capable of doing.

Rugby Unions 7's teams are all full of superstars too aye :lol::lol::lol:

 

[ParraEelsNRL]

And that is why evidence is required.. that post is pure opinion and supposition with little relevance to the truth, that was not why Rugby went professional at all.

It was pretty damn close to the mark, I'd love to see what your take on it is, but naaaa, you're full of shit enough as it is and I don't need to read any more fantasy stuff from you.

The world is indeed flat.

 

[Te Kaha]

The evidence re ru is in the UK Bill ,as it was in the French commission into Vichy in 2002.They are hardly works of fiction.As was the Moroccan debacle this year.As was the refusal of the Italian Govt to have liability insurance available to a pro code(rl).

And you cant provide any evidence, other than Vichy which isnt in dispute, to connect Rugby officals in any of those then supply it.. stating it happend without evidence proves nothing.

Then where did the gate money for ru internationals go,certainly not to the players,except in France (wink wink) . I attended ru internationals at the SCG,The ground was packed.Gate monies would hardly have been a pittance.

It went to the host union, where the hell else would it go????

Rugby union went professional in 1995,the very year that the SL war started,as SL went about trying to sign ru players from Sth Africa and beyond .Packer wanted to start his own world ru series,which was knocked on the head by the SA ru.
To even suggest the SL issue did not have influence in union going pro ,is fanciful .

Rugby going proffesional was going to happen without or without SL, changes had already been made well before '95. e.g. players writing books could have their funds held in trust until after their playing days.. When Murdoch bought Legaue it was just the final straw. All Rugbys best players would be pilliged, the SH had no choice and the IRB had no choice but to follow along. Professional play was being discussed during the formation of the World cup before '87.

Yeah unheard of for the last 30 odd years that the country has dabbled in the game.
Trackhead!

Prove it dimwit.

Rugby Unions 7's teams are all full of superstars too aye :lol::lol::lol:

And the dimwit junior moderator rides in with totally irrelevant posts to hijack the thread.. as per usual.

It was pretty damn close to the mark, I'd love to see what your take on it is, but naaaa, you're full of shit enough as it is and I don't need to read any more fantasy stuff from you.

One day you will right a constructive post in a thread... not today obviously but one day.

The world is indeed flat.

This does indeed show how dim you truely are.

 

[taipan]

There's a bit more to it than that.

The IRB was losing control of the game as shamateurism was running rife, and with the amount of money being thrown around via Superleague, they knew their star players would be tempted to switch codes. So it was brought in as a measure to maintain control over the code and retain its players.

Superleague was the straw that broke the camels back, regarding Union turning professional.

It was on its way to happening with so many players around the world being paid to play 'secretly'. Superleague just hastened that decision.

Which is basically what I was stating.ie French shamateurism.And even the All Blacks amateur position was being questioned by some.And a high profile wallaby alleged to have benefitted via a unit,in order to knock back an ARL contract.
The IRB lost control thanks to the French doing their own thing.

And without super league intervening, the game may well have continued along the way of overt amateurism and covert shamateurism.For how long? Who knows.It had been going on prior for 50 plus years.

Again I repeat to te kaha ,to suggest SL had little influence on union going pro is fanciful,and I do not resile from that view.

 

[taipan]

And you cant provide any evidence, other than Vichy which isnt in dispute, to connect Rugby officals in any of those then supply it.. stating it happend without evidence proves nothing.


It went to the host union, where the hell else would it go????


Rugby going proffesional was going to happen without or without SL, changes had already been made well before '95. e.g. players writing books could have their funds held in trust until after their playing days.. When Murdoch bought Legaue it was just the final straw. All Rugbys best players would be pilliged, the SH had no choice and the IRB had no choice but to follow along. Professional play was being discussed during the formation of the World cup before '87.



Prove it dimwit.



And the dimwit junior moderator rides in with totally irrelevant posts to hijack the thread.. as per usual.


One day you will right a constructive post in a thread... not today obviously but one day.



This does indeed show how dim you truely are.

I already have provided the evidence with quotes,on a prior post.You saying nothing happened in Morocco? Typically in denial .League had been played in that country for a couple of years prior,so it was nonsense for them to suggest they did not know there was two codes.

And the host union did not pass it on to the most deserving :the players.That's where it should have gone,and we would not have had two rugby codes FFS.Why the hell do you think the players were getting restless,with the admin getting all the benefits.That was prior to 95,as they knew the French had no morals when it came to pay to play.Campese and spaghetti rugby.Hypocrisy ATT was mind boggling.This sort of dithering could have gone on for many more years,if SL had not intervened
The players knew what was going on in France,and Italy and Sth Africa,and the head bodies appeared to turn their heads.
And let me quote a former NZ PM David "Lange""It
never ceases to amaze me ,seeing these aAll Black players with no visible means of support,running around in the finest of clothes and decent cars." Wonder what he was getting at?.


Writing books big deal.That did not pay bread and butter issues for all players ,except the select few(stars).Super league pushed union into the world of reality,that earning money to play was not a sin.That money payments were to the benefit of all players.

Know the history of rl in this country,where in the early days union players who switched were treated at times like lepers, by some within the union community.

Whilst rl was poaching amateur union players,in some countries ru officials were paying ämateur"union players.One did it out in the open.the other well go figure.

 

[magpie4ever]

I already have provided the evidence with quotes,on a prior post.You saying nothing happened in Morocco? Typically in denial .League had been played in that country for a couple of years prior,so it was nonsense for them to suggest they did not know there was two codes.

And the host union did not pass it on to the most deserving :the players.That's where it should have gone,and we would not have had two rugby codes FFS.Why the hell do you think the players were getting restless,with the admin getting all the benefits.That was prior to 95,as they knew the French had no morals when it came to pay to play.Campese and spaghetti rugby.Hypocrisy ATT was mind boggling.This sort of dithering could have gone on for many more years,if SL had not intervened
The players knew what was going on in France,and Italy and Sth Africa,and the head bodies appeared to turn their heads.
And let me quote a former NZ PM David "Lange""It
never ceases to amaze me ,seeing these aAll Black players with no visible means of support,running around in the finest of clothes and decent cars." Wonder what he was getting at?.


Writing books big deal.That did not pay bread and butter issues for all players ,except the select few(stars).Super league pushed union into the world of reality,that earning money to play was not a sin.That money payments were to the benefit of all players.

Know the history of rl in this country,where in the early days union players who switched were treated at times like lepers, by some within the union community.

Whilst rl was poaching amateur union players,in some countries ru officials were paying ämateur"union players.One did it out in the open.the other well go figure.

I don't know enough about the Morocco situation; but as for the rest - full agreement.

 

[LJC]

I already have provided the evidence with quotes,on a prior post.You saying nothing happened in Morocco? Typically in denial .League had been played in that country for a couple of years prior,so it was nonsense for them to suggest they did not know there was two codes.

And the host union did not pass it on to the most deserving :the players.That's where it should have gone,and we would not have had two rugby codes FFS.Why the hell do you think the players were getting restless,with the admin getting all the benefits.That was prior to 95,as they knew the French had no morals when it came to pay to play.Campese and spaghetti rugby.Hypocrisy ATT was mind boggling.This sort of dithering could have gone on for many more years,if SL had not intervened
The players knew what was going on in France,and Italy and Sth Africa,and the head bodies appeared to turn their heads.
And let me quote a former NZ PM David "Lange""It
never ceases to amaze me ,seeing these aAll Black players with no visible means of support,running around in the finest of clothes and decent cars." Wonder what he was getting at?.


Writing books big deal.That did not pay bread and butter issues for all players ,except the select few(stars).Super league pushed union into the world of reality,that earning money to play was not a sin.That money payments were to the benefit of all players.

Know the history of rl in this country,where in the early days union players who switched were treated at times like lepers, by some within the union community.

Whilst rl was poaching amateur union players,in some countries ru officials were paying ämateur"union players.One did it out in the open.the other well go figure.

Very well put!

We are dealing with some contributors whom regard themselves as "experts" and this is laughable!

They have twisted, denied ,went off on tangents and still have the temerity to abuse people whom have a genuine concern and regard for the repression that is existing against the game of RL.

Quite simply the people that have RU bias have this bias entrenched in them from mostly private high school influences, These influences transfer through to the upper levels of society and the business world. These people in high places make decisions against the development of RL. This is happening to a massive degree and these dubious contributors go on there "merry" way. They seem to request for facts when the facts are already there within this thread! They are being deliberately difficult and obstructionist for what purpose. Are they genuine fans?

This is a constructive thread about informing of a very relevant and disgusting repression of a sport, namely rugby league. To be abused for discussing and informing is a trait of these individuals and they will forever think they are "experts". If they are experts then get on board and expose these crimes against the game of RL for what they are! No these dudes deflect and emphasize some other tangent whereby the core issue of widespread repression is being put on the back burner. Perhaps this is deliberate on their part? Perhaps not?

I'm sure they will paraphrase and abuse again. Their form is poor and other people have noted this in previous threads. RL is a far better code of rugby than you people take it for. Wake up. This repression is happening and is widespread. A much more attractive code(RL) is being held back by "big brother"(RU). It's as simple as that. RU have people in positions of power that enable life for RL to be very difficult and this has been shown by the many contributions in this thread.

These "contributors"(perhaps not so much MU) still doubt the facts even before their very eyes. Their emphasis and tact is disturbing. Rudeness is their friend and they can have it!

I wish I was as persistent and devious as the RU friends in high places are throughout the world but I am not. I choose to discuss and explore this very well hidden repression against RL and will stand by the many contributions and logic behind such a repression. These RU "friends" are very powerful people and RL has done well despite the opposition it faces.

To explore and discuss this repression is a decent thing to do. Not so in the eyes of these dudes! (Mr Balance & Mr Denial) Go figure!
Amazing!

 

[madunit]

:roll:

 

[magpie4ever]

:roll:

I must say this: LJC is a dribbler.

 

[LJC]

I must say this: LJC is a dribbler.

Consistent "Mr Denial"!

I note that you finally recognized previous contributions of facts!

Wonders never cease!

 

[magpie4ever]

Consistent "Mr Denial"!

I note that you finally recognized previous contributions of facts!

Wonders never cease!

Bloody hell, LJC; you say the same shit day in day out. As I said numerous times, if you feel so strongly don't continue preaching to the converted; get off your arse and call on the ARLC and IRLB to take bloody action.

Get the f**king petition going; I'll sign.

 

[madunit]

Pffft as if that'll help. The IRB owns the internet

 

[Te Kaha]

I already have provided the evidence with quotes,on a prior post.You saying nothing happened in Morocco? Typically in denial .League had been played in that country for a couple of years prior,so it was nonsense for them to suggest they did not know there was two codes.

Now you are being a straight out liar... you have no idea if the govt new anything in Morocco or not, you have provided no evidence that any Rugby organisation was involved, even the original news article doesn't state anything of the nature... why? BECAUSE THERE IS NO EVIDENCE OF IT.
You can guess as to who to blame all you want.. but unless you can provide any meaningful evidence you are no more than LJC and preaching on blind faith.

And the host union did not pass it on to the most deserving :the players.That's where it should have gone,and we would not have had two rugby codes FFS.Why the hell do you think the players were getting restless,with the admin getting all the benefits.That was prior to 95,as they knew the French had no morals when it came to pay to play.Campese and spaghetti rugby.Hypocrisy ATT was mind boggling.This sort of dithering could have gone on for many more years,if SL had not intervened
The players knew what was going on in France,and Italy and Sth Africa,and the head bodies appeared to turn their heads.
And let me quote a former NZ PM David "Lange""It
never ceases to amaze me ,seeing these aAll Black players with no visible means of support,running around in the finest of clothes and decent cars." Wonder what he was getting at?.

Which is totally irrelevant to the supposed "repression" of League by Rugby.. When the IOC started talking about allowing professional athletes into the Olympics the last "bastion" of amateur sport was gone.. Rugby going fully professional was going to happen sooner rather than later.. the Fact that the IRB had already started relaxing the rules shows directly shows this.. not your opinion of it "going on for many more years"

Writing books big deal.That did not pay bread and butter issues for all players ,except the select few(stars).Super league pushed union into the world of reality,that earning money to play was not a sin.That money payments were to the benefit of all players.

So what, it shows you were wrong again... and that your statement "when Rupert Murdoch flashed his wallet,the code and its players tripped over themselves in the rush to get a slice of the action.Hypocrisy at its finest" os that much rubbish.

Know the history of rl in this country,where in the early days union players who switched were treated at times like lepers, by some within the union community.

And that wasn't right, but it was not exclusive to Rugby.. professional sportsman in the early years of the last century were also given the same treatment by members of Olympic sports... it is also not "repression".

Whilst rl was poaching amateur union players,in some countries ru officials were paying ämateur"union players.One did it out in the open.the other well go figure.

This is well known and again totally irrelevant, it does in no way amount to "repression" that is being espoused without evidence.

Very well put!

We are dealing with some contributors whom regard themselves as "experts" and this is laughable!

Its easy to be an expert when dealing with you. You repeat the same garbage over and over and over again. When challenged to provide evidence you cant.. you cite examples of supposed crimes, but cant back them up with anything remotely resembling evidence... oh and you lie.

They have twisted, denied ,went off on tangents and still have the temerity to abuse people whom have a genuine concern and regard for the repression that is existing against the game of RL.

Where is the proof? if you have this proof, why haven't you given it to the proper authorities? instead you whinge and moan.

Quite simply the people that have RU bias have this bias entrenched in them from mostly private high school influences, These influences transfer through to the upper levels of society and the business world. These people in high places make decisions against the development of RL. This is happening to a massive degree and these dubious contributors go on there "merry" way. They seem to request for facts when the facts are already there within this thread! They are being deliberately difficult and obstructionist for what purpose. Are they genuine fans?

You are very good at making up fairy tales... but you cant back them up with any facts, names, dates, anything.

This is a constructive thread about informing of a very relevant and disgusting repression of a sport, namely rugby league. To be abused for discussing and informing is a trait of these individuals and they will forever think they are "experts". If they are experts then get on board and expose these crimes against the game of RL for what they are! No these dudes deflect and emphasize some other tangent whereby the core issue of widespread repression is being put on the back burner. Perhaps this is deliberate on their part? Perhaps not?

I could have sworn I read that rant on one of those nutter sites about 911 being an inside job... full of passion but light on facts.

I'm sure they will paraphrase and abuse again. Their form is poor and other people have noted this in previous threads. RL is a far better code of rugby than you people take it for. Wake up. This repression is happening and is widespread. A much more attractive code(RL) is being held back by "big brother"(RU). It's as simple as that. RU have people in positions of power that enable life for RL to be very difficult and this has been shown by the many contributions in this thread.

It hasn't been shown at all... people have cited instances, but when challenged to back them up with evidence they cant... the only person who has cited real evidence is MU.

These "contributors"(perhaps not so much MU) still doubt the facts even before their very eyes. Their emphasis and tact is disturbing. Rudeness is their friend and they can have it!

While hypocrisy is yours... you started the name calling, yet cant handle it... do grow up princess.

I wish I was as persistent and devious as the RU friends in high places are throughout the world but I am not. I choose to discuss and explore this very well hidden repression against RL and will stand by the many contributions and logic behind such a repression. These RU "friends" are very powerful people and RL has done well despite the opposition it faces.

If these "friends" are powerful people then surely you know there names... why don't you give them? scared about litigation from them as you don't have any evidence?

To explore and discuss this repression is a decent thing to do. Not so in the eyes of these dudes! (Mr Balance & Mr Denial) Go figure!
Amazing!

A discussion requires statements back with facts and evidence.. something you have yet to do.

 

[Te Kaha]

Pffft as if that'll help. The IRB owns the internet

They were also on the grassy knoll, were filming the moon landings at area 51, remotely controlled the planes into the twin towers, assassinated Princess DI, hid Saddams WMDs, paid off Osama Bin Laden and created the global financial crisis...

 

[ParraEelsNRL]

Prove it dimwit.



And the dimwit junior moderator rides in with totally irrelevant posts to hijack the thread.. as per usual.


One day you will right a constructive post in a thread... not today obviously but one day.



This does indeed show how dim you truely are.

This whole thread from the first post proves it, I don't know what world you or other people live in, but I see it, I read the report from the French Government Minister mentioned in this very thread so I can actually see it happens. What you see shows complete lack of any sort or reasonality.

Then there is the fact you and others have over looked the very thing that every human should have the right to do.... Play Sport for fun or a living.

I don't like AFL and I lost my respect for Rugby Union over a decade ago, yet I would never ever stand side by side with any mob that said no, you can not and will not play this sport here. The Morocco thing is an absolute disgrace, here we have 15-16-17-18-19 year old children raising their own funds to travel to a foreign land just to play a game and help the locals learn this new game (new game after near 30 years of struggle lol) and they have police/military force therm away from fields at gun point.

What part of that makes you or others feel they need to defend something?

 

[madunit]

Still waiting on LJC to correct my "questionable" facts.

And to show evidence where i have denied any repression.

If you are so certain of both, then this task should be easy.

Don't make claims if you can't back them up.

 

[taipan]

Now you are being a straight out liar... you have no idea if the govt new anything in Morocco or not, you have provided no evidence that any Rugby organisation was involved, even the original news article doesn't state anything of the nature... why? BECAUSE THERE IS NO EVIDENCE OF IT.
You can guess as to who to blame all you want.. but unless you can provide any meaningful evidence you are no more than LJC and preaching on blind faith.


Which is totally irrelevant to the supposed "repression" of League by Rugby.. When the IOC started talking about allowing professional athletes into the Olympics the last "bastion" of amateur sport was gone.. Rugby going fully professional was going to happen sooner rather than later.. the Fact that the IRB had already started relaxing the rules shows directly shows this.. not your opinion of it "going on for many more years"


So what, it shows you were wrong again... and that your statement "when Rupert Murdoch flashed his wallet,the code and its players tripped over themselves in the rush to get a slice of the action.Hypocrisy at its finest" os that much rubbish.


And that wasn't right, but it was not exclusive to Rugby.. professional sportsman in the early years of the last century were also given the same treatment by members of Olympic sports... it is also not "repression".


This is well known and again totally irrelevant, it does in no way amount to "repression" that is being espoused without evidence.



Its easy to be an expert when dealing with you. You repeat the same garbage over and over and over again. When challenged to provide evidence you cant.. you cite examples of supposed crimes, but cant back them up with anything remotely resembling evidence... oh and you lie.



Where is the proof? if you have this proof, why haven't you given it to the proper authorities? instead you whinge and moan.



You are very good at making up fairy tales... but you cant back them up with any facts, names, dates, anything.



I could have sworn I read that rant on one of those nutter sites about 911 being an inside job... full of passion but light on facts.



It hasn't been shown at all... people have cited instances, but when challenged to back them up with evidence they cant... the only person who has cited real evidence is MU.



While hypocrisy is yours... you started the name calling, yet cant handle it... do grow up princess.



If these "friends" are powerful people then surely you know there names... why don't you give them? scared about litigation from them as you don't have any evidence?



A discussion requires statements back with facts and evidence.. something you have yet to do.

You call me a liar,I call you an ignorant denier.

http://www.rugbyleagueworldnews.blogspot.fr/2013/06/strong-shock-for-moroccans-rugby-league.html

Documented in france 2002(commission into Sport under Vichy),and the British Parliament Bill 1995 by the All Parliamentary rugby league group.

"Was going to go pro",the tipping point which Mad Unit alluded was the super league intrusion,yet you cant see it.
It's akin to me saying oh I must insure the house soon.the house burns .The fire is a akin to SL,its the breaker.

You also show your historical ignorance.Anyone with the slightest clue knew union players who switched to rl were at times ostracised in this country,especially in the early years.There are books on the subject.

In fact union people took delight in bagging rl players for having to earn money to play the game,rather than play it for love.Eever read Poidevin's book For Love not Money".
if you bag someone for doing something over many decades and then do it yourself eventually,that sir is hypocrisy.

You completely ignore understandably so,the under the table payements made to union players in france/Italy/Sth Africa/Australia and some dubious arrangements in NZ,jsut about every man and his dog had an idea about it,but union authorities tended to keep a blind eye.

I spent 5 years of my youth playing ru and only 1 of rl ,and knew the attitudes prevailing ATT.I have been to Barbarian matches at SCG and tests.

You brought up the fact all union players could be poached,I responded telling you it was hardly all a one way street.
And if there was no poaching, I doubt there would be the attitude towards rl in the countries mentioned.So poaching is more than relevant.

Word of advice learn to debate in a considered and rational manner such as that shown by Mad Unit(who I disagree with at times),instead of going off at a tangent.

 

[Te Kaha]

This whole thread from the first post proves it, I don't know what world you or other people live in, but I see it, I read the report from the French Government Minister mentioned in this very thread so I can actually see it happens. What you see shows complete lack of any sort or reasonality.

Then there is the fact you and others have over looked the very thing that every human should have the right to do.... Play Sport for fun or a living.

I don't like AFL and I lost my respect for Rugby Union over a decade ago, yet I would never ever stand side by side with any mob that said no, you can not and will not play this sport here. The Morocco thing is an absolute disgrace, here we have 15-16-17-18-19 year old children raising their own funds to travel to a foreign land just to play a game and help the locals learn this new game (new game after near 30 years of struggle lol) and they have police/military force therm away from fields at gun point.

What part of that makes you or others feel they need to defend something?

LGCs stated aim is to show the apparent widespread suppression of Leaggue by Rugby authorties... to do so he needs to show evidence.. he hasnt shown any.. in fact in one post he had an outright lie.

You call me a liar,I call you an ignorant denier.
http://www.rugbyleagueworldnews.blogspot.fr/2013/06/strong-shock-for-moroccans-rugby-league.html

Yes i did... and you are.. you stated that the Govt knew that League was a seperate sport. at no time have you shown any evidece of this.

Even that link only shows the MRU preventing registered players from playing League... Just like the NRL prevents players playing Rugby while under contract.. and before you rant.. a registration IS a valid contract. A contract requires no money to still be valid.. look it up.

Documented in france 2002(commission into Sport under Vichy),and the British Parliament Bill 1995 by the All Parliamentary rugby league group.

And who, in any post has denied anything about Vichy? what has been questioned is how the IRB or any other Rugby authority could have been involved since the FRU had been kicked out years before.

"Was going to go pro",the tipping point which Mad Unit alluded was the super league intrusion,yet you cant see it.
It's akin to me saying oh I must insure the house soon.the house burns .The fire is a akin to SL,its the breaker.

Oh really? So when i stated "When Murdoch bought Legaue it was just the final straw. All Rugbys best players would be pilliged, the SH had no choice and the IRB had no choice but to follow along" I couldnt see it... it was the last straw, but the path was well on the way... you original statement still, as i stated, is rubbish.

You also show your historical ignorance.Anyone with the slightest clue knew union players who switched to rl were at times ostracised in this country,especially in the early years.There are books on the subject.

Did i deny this? the same for athletes in other sports.. but once again, how is this repression?

In fact union people took delight in bagging rl players for having to earn money to play the game,rather than play it for love.Eever read Poidevin's book For Love not Money".
if you bag someone for doing something over many decades and then do it yourself eventually,that sir is hypocrisy.

And once again, nothing at all to do with repression... and you accuse me of tangents.

You completely ignore understandably so,the under the table payements made to union players in france/Italy/Sth Africa/Australia and some dubious arrangements in NZ,jsut about every man and his dog had an idea about it,but union authorities tended to keep a blind eye.

So what?? you keep bringing up irrelvant statements.

I spent 5 years of my youth playing ru and only 1 of rl ,and knew the attitudes prevailing ATT.I have been to Barbarian matches at SCG and tests.

You brought up the fact all union players could be poached,I responded telling you it was hardly all a one way street.
And if there was no poaching, I doubt there would be the attitude towards rl in the countries mentioned.So poaching is more than relevant.

No i didnt, you lied once again.

Word of advice learn to debate in a considered and rational manner such as that shown by Mad Unit(who I disagree with at times),instead of going off at a tangent.

I go on tangents.. Rugbys professional status has Zip to do with any repression by "people in high places".

 

[taipan]

You see what you want to see champ,and live in a bubble.Must be related to PW .
All my points are relevant to the subject matter,interference in a few countries,the influence of the SL war,the cash under the table.The Sgt Schultz mentality is alive and well.

And please take the time to actually read what was posted.I noted the fact rugby league had been played before in Morocco ,and it would be nonsense to suggest Govts were unaware of the difference between the two rugby codes.

And for the so called expert,you don't; even have a clue what you post,but I will refresh your memory:-
On 26th Sept at 12.39pm you stated"When Murdoch bought league it was just the final straw.All Rugby's best players would be "pillaged' repeat pillaged the SH had no choice."

Pillaging, poaching one and the same,you mentioned it so you are either ignorant of what you post or a liar to boot.Or you just like arguing against yourself.

So in the context of the debate there was interference in a couple of countries ,there was the influence of the Sl war(which you treated at one stage as being of little influence).there was the hypocrisy of bagging professionalism for decades and there was the hypocrisy of shamateurism.

Not one iota of your comments has proven otherwise,except for a lot of self indulgent denying claptrap.

If there was no pro rl(who poached union players) in the first place there would be no (in some cases bad attitudes by some union areas) towards rugby league.Yet you still can't see it. Sheesh.