The Forbidden Game-insightful book on what has & can happen

[Lambretta]

I would be happy to lose a "marketing war" if every participant was given a fair go. To date RL is not given a fair go.

Marketing is all about being dirty and changing the truth to suit what it is you're selling

You cannot win a marketing war if you involve concepts of fairness - that's just daft.

The way to win is to spend more money in more places than the other side. We are way off the mark globally - the only market we have a chance of winning in is Australia.

 

[Perth Red]

What did the IRB do to sanction the FRU when the disgraceful behaviour of the Vichy affair became known? That's right they welcomed them back into the fold, probably with big slaps on the back. Complicity is as bad as act.

From the union loving headmaster at my school to governing bodies such as FRU and MRU, RU has negatively influenced the opportunity for people to play RL. You'd be pretty naive or a one eyed union fan to deny it.

 

[ParraEelsNRL]

Marketing is all about being dirty and changing the truth to suit what it is you're selling

You cannot win a marketing war if you involve concepts of fairness - that's just daft.

The way to win is to spend more money in more places than the other side. We are way off the mark globally - the only market we have a chance of winning in is Australia.

Australia will never ever have Union as its main game again, that ship sailed 100 + years ago.

And PNG is all RL along with plenty of places in and around the Pac Islands that seem to be really taking off.

http://forums.leagueunlimited.com/showthread.php?t=427033

Watch these two videos of the rise of Fiji RL and come back and say that above again ;-)

(money is always the thing that holds you back but sometimes even money isn't enough to stop people with a passion)

I agree about the dirty war thing, RL needs to join that fight quick smart and this WC coming up is the perfect platform.

 

[Te Kaha]

You see what you want to see champ,and live in a bubble.Must be related to PW .
All my points are relevant to the subject matter,interference in a few countries,the influence of the SL war,the cash under the table.The Sgt Schultz mentality is alive and well.

Because the professional status of the code = repression? you really dont have a clue.

And please take the time to actually read what was posted.I noted the fact rugby league had been played before in Morocco ,and it would be nonsense to suggest Govts were unaware of the difference between the two rugby codes.

So its your opinion... so you lied. You dont have any evidence to the contrary.

And for the so called expert,you don't; even have a clue what you post,but I will refresh your memory:-
On 26th Sept at 12.39pm you stated"When Murdoch bought league it was just the final straw.All Rugby's best players would be "pillaged' repeat pillaged the SH had no choice."

Pillaging, poaching one and the same,you mentioned it so you are either ignorant of what you post or a liar to boot.Or you just like arguing against yourself.

You seriously have issues with your comprehension skills.

Pillage: to strip ruthlessly of money or goods by open violence, as in war; plunder
Poach: any encroachment on another's property, rights, ideas, or the like.

There is a world of differnce between "poaching" a few players.. and "pilliaging" countries entire playing stock. If you cant understand that there isnt much hope for you.

So in the context of the debate there was interference in a couple of countries ,there was the influence of the Sl war(which you treated at one stage as being of little influence).there was the hypocrisy of bagging professionalism for decades and there was the hypocrisy of shamateurism.

And hypocracy has what to do with repression.. you cant even keep on subject.

Not one iota of your comments has proven otherwise,except for a lot of self indulgent denying claptrap.

because it is irrelevant what that professional status is when discussing repression by the IRB against League.

If there was no pro rl(who poached union players) in the first place there would be no (in some cases bad attitudes by some union areas) towards rugby league.Yet you still can't see it. Sheesh.

And who said there was... you just cant prove any repression so you go on your own merry tangents.

 

[Te Kaha]

What did the IRB do to sanction the FRU when the disgraceful behaviour of the Vichy affair became known? That's right they welcomed them back into the fold, probably with big slaps on the back. Complicity is as bad as act.

"probably".. again opinion not fact... and you cant sanction an organisation that is not under your control.

From the union loving headmaster at my school to governing bodies such as FRU and MRU, RU has negatively influenced the opportunity for people to play RL. You'd be pretty naive or a one eyed union fan to deny it.

ahhh so we have gone from "repression" to "negatively influenced"... and there is nothing wrong with "influencing" anybody if it doesnt break the law... where is the evidence they did? ohh and there are laws against using your position to influence in most govts... so if it is true where is the evidence of them breaking the law?

 

[ParraEelsNRL]

Pillage: to strip ruthlessly of money or goods by open violence, as in war; plunder
Poach: any encroachment on another's property, rights, ideas, or the like.

There is a world of differnce between "poaching" a few players.. and "pilliaging" countries entire playing stock.

If you cant understand that there isnt much hope for you.

I can't see where the highlighted bit has taken place, could you point it out with all your facts and figures please?

 

[taipan]

Because the professional status of the code = repression? you really dont have a clue.



So its your opinion... so you lied. You dont have any evidence to the contrary.


You seriously have issues with your comprehension skills.

Pillage: to strip ruthlessly of money or goods by open violence, as in war; plunder
Poach: any encroachment on another's property, rights, ideas, or the like.

There is a world of differnce between "poaching" a few players.. and "pilliaging" countries entire playing stock. If you cant understand that there isnt much hope for you.


And hypocracy has what to do with repression.. you cant even keep on subject.



because it is irrelevant what that professional status is when discussing repression by the IRB against League.



And who said there was... you just cant prove any repression so you go on your own merry tangents.

You appear to have difficulty in understanding the subject matter and indeed your own posts.
Where did I state pro code= repression? Another lie.I stated the background of pro rl (historically ) and why a few countries may have .had it in for rl.
It is relevant you goose.no pro rl ,no need for any repression.

BTW just on the matter of the word poach.I will cite an example from Aug 28 2009 "Poachers are pillaging dugongs near Cairn""
Poachers kill elephants in Africa.Rugby league was not going to pillage(as you described) ru FHS,you are a BS artist.
The why use the word pillage,dopey,in your comments.
And you are blindly suggesting that the rl would pillage (meaning your words rape,take goods) if the SH hadn't acted.
I will say it one more time,you are in denial,all points from professionalism,poaching,SL war,the interference of ru officialdom are all relevant.

The fact that you don't like my points,shows exactly you are living in la la land.You can't handle the thought ,union was not lilly white at times.At least rl people acknowledge its code has done some ruthless poaching.

You have made opinion pieces and supposition without backing it up,so your limitations as Jack Gibson would say are limitless.Lying would be a word I could choose.
Keep wriggling.

 

[taipan]

I can't see where the highlighted bit has taken place, could you point it out with all your facts and figures please?

Should we set a clock for his response Parra?

 

[ParraEelsNRL]

Should we set a clock for his response Parra?

:lol:

I thought he would have it all documented and filed ready to go.

 

[Te Kaha]

I can't see where the highlighted bit has taken place, could you point it out with all your facts and figures please?

Now BOTH of you have comprehension issues... How do you get "figures" for something that never happened? They were GOING to, hence why the SH unions finally had to go professional, without the IRBs consent.

You appear to have difficulty in understanding the subject matter and indeed your own posts.
Where did I state pro code= repression? Another lie.I stated the background of pro rl (historically ) and why a few countries may have .had it in for rl.
It is relevant you goose.no pro rl ,no need for any repression.

THE THREAD IS ABOUT THE SUPPOSED REPRESSION OF LEAGUE BY RUGBY "PEOPLE IN HIGH PLACES" ... it had nothing to do with professionilism until you thread hijacked and bought it up.

BTW just on the matter of the word poach.I will cite an example from Aug 28 2009 "Poachers are pillaging dugongs near Cairn""

So now you admit that poach and pilliage mean differnt things.. finally you are learning.

Poachers kill elephants in Africa.Rugby league was not going to pillage(as you described) ru FHS,you are a BS artist

I never mentioned poachers you did...

The why use the word pillage,dopey,in your comments.
And you are blindly suggesting that the rl would pillage (meaning your words rape,take goods) if the SH hadn't acted.

you do know that in a definition the "," means or not and... or arent you bright enough to recognise that... By pilliage they would "take" all of Rugbys best players "goods" not mearly one or too i.e "poaching".

I will say it one more time,you are in denial,all points from professionalism,poaching,SL war,the interference of ru officialdom are all relevant.

No it isnt, cant you get it through your think head, all you are showing is WHY Rugby Administrators WOULD "hate" League.. not actually showing any form if repression.. for which this thread is actually about, despite your constant attempts to hijack it.

The fact that you don't like my points,shows exactly you are living in la la land.You can't handle the thought ,union was not lilly white at times.At least rl people acknowledge its code has done some ruthless poaching.

Its not that i dont like yout points.. its that they are irrelevant.. you cant prove any repression so you go off on a tangent.

You have made opinion pieces and supposition without backing it up,so your limitations as Jack Gibson would say are limitless.Lying would be a word I could choose.
Keep wriggling.

I have made no supposition at all... i have constantly asked for evidece of repression that is supposed to exist.. as yet, other than Vichy, none has been given.

 

[madunit]

What did the IRB do to sanction the FRU when the disgraceful behaviour of the Vichy affair became known? That's right they welcomed them back into the fold, probably with big slaps on the back. Complicity is as bad as act.

From the union loving headmaster at my school to governing bodies such as FRU and MRU, RU has negatively influenced the opportunity for people to play RL. You'd be pretty naive or a one eyed union fan to deny it.

I think its a bit different but not in a way that harms your point.

See, the French RU was readmitted into the IRB in 1938 i believe but due to the war, didn't play their first test til 1947.

While the IRB had no input in the FRU actions at Vichy, they didn't punnish them over it either.

 

[ParraEelsNRL]

Now BOTH of you have comprehension issues... How do you get "figures" for something that never happened? They were GOING to, hence why the SH unions finally had to go professional, without the IRBs consent.

So why bring it up in the first place if it never bloody happened in the first place?

Is it so you have something to argue about today? (serious question)

 

[Te Kaha]

I think its a bit different but not in a way that harms your point.

See, the French RU was readmitted into the IRB in 1938 i believe but due to the war, didn't play their first test til 1947.

While the IRB had no input in the FRU actions at Vichy, they didn't punnish them over it either.

The the IRB should have sanctioned them, except the french didnt "offically" join the IRFB until 1978.

So why bring it up in the first place if it never bloody happened in the first place?

Is it so you have something to argue about today? (serious question)

Because it was the final straw that forced the SH unions to go proffesional, without IRB consent... it wasnt the only reason, as taipan implied,it wasnt the primary reason, it wasnt even the first reason, it was the last straw however.

 

[ParraEelsNRL]

So when the AFL tries to claim Birchgrove Oval for their game, or when Andrew Demetriou says that "everybody knows that September is when we have our finals series" when the question of clashing dates comes up, that is not explicit enough for you?

As for the bans placed on rugby union players who played rugby league, again, for the zillionth time, that was because rugby union was amateur. They would have been banned for playing any professional sport, any at all.

The Catholic schools system as a whole took up rugby league, it was only the elite Catholic schools that stayed with rugby union. Given that Catholic schools sporting competitions were centrally organised, how would it have been possible for any of those schools to continue playing rugby union? (Incidentally, I have never heard any rah rahs complain about not having access to those Catholic schools. If they want to play rugby league, fair enough. And surely vice versa when schools want to play rugby union).

You know, and I know, that absolutely nothing will be done to right these supposed wrongs. That's partly because most of them happened so long ago, partly because what happens today is either because of individual political and bureaucratic decisions which no outsiders can influence, and partly because neither the ARL, the RLIF, RLEF, etc etc could give a toss about it.

If anything that is happening is illegal in the countries in which it is happening, then surely the courts are the place to seek redress. My guess is that nothing illegal is happening, that is another reason why nothing will happend. Nothing at all.

Good to see those 5 years where you were put in the naughty corner were put to good use.

Escaping LU's lockup, what next, picking a few locks at the local Loig grounds and fire anting them? :lol:

 

[Knownothing]

Good to see those 5 years where you were put in the naughty corner were put to good use.

Escaping LU's lockup, what next, picking a few locks at the local Loig grounds and fire anting them? :lol:

I dunno. I'll email "Dave" Smith and ask him for advice. Former British Army Officer, Welsh rah rah, international banker. Not a bad pedigree, eh?

 

[ParraEelsNRL]

I dunno. I'll email "Dave" Smith and ask him for advice. Former British Army Officer, Welsh rah rah, international banker. Not a bad pedigree, eh?

LOL, you can't help it, can you?

Shakes head and walks away.

 

[Knownothing]

LOL, you can't help it, can you?

Shakes head and walks away.

Don't worry, Parra. Next year is a whole new season. As a former Parramatta junior, I share your pain.

By the way, we all have a pedigree - some are better documented than others, but we all have one. In fact, if you go far enough back, we are all actually brothers and sisters. Scary thought, eh?

 

[ParraEelsNRL]

Don't worry, Parra. Next year is a whole new season. As a former Parramatta junior, I share your pain.

By the way, we all have a pedigree - some are better documented than others, but we all have one. In fact, if you go far enough back, we are all actually brothers and sisters. Scary thought, eh?

Yeah, and weren't they the two that f**ked up first *supposedly.... what's your point and what does it have to do with Rugby?

 

[taipan]

:whistle:whistle
hi Ho Hi Ho its off to work I go

Showing absolutely no discrimination,pressure from their ru counterparts LOL

http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/lords/1995/may/10/sports-discrimination-bill.hl

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199900/cmselect/cmcumeds/99/99ap04.htm

http://www.raf.mod.uk/rafrugbyleague/administration/historyofrafrl.cfm


And a nice piece which mentioned that nice accommodating league loving Danie Craven former head of the SARU.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...links-with-the-professional-game-1471967.html#

A brief history of the Army rugby league noted on 11-18th July 1994 a Joint Services team (army and RAF) participated in a competition in wait for it Morocco,to celebrate the king of Morocco's birthday.
So one does not have to be Luigi the Unbelievable to believe that country knew the difference between the two codes.A precedence set.
Now if an all Part Parliamentary brings in a bill to end discrimination against rugby league,journos write about it,the RAF acknowledges discrimination in those years,then if it walks like a duck,quacks like a duck ,and lays duck eggs,it aint a quail.

 

[ParraEelsNRL]

:whistle:whistle
hi Ho Hi Ho its off to work I go

http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/lords/1995/may/10/sports-discrimination-bill.hl

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199900/cmselect/cmcumeds/99/99ap04.htm

2nd link good, 1st bad, don't give it an inch taipan.