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[magpie4ever]

Don't buy that concept champ.
If that indeed was the consideration,then soccer should never have been introduced into my old school,as it is just about the major sport in terms of numbers.
You and I know there are numbers of students that come from the bush with a rl background,and have no choice but to play union or soccer.
Schools could accommodate rl 9s as an example or union 7s in place of the full on rugby codes.Some of these schools have numbers up to 1200

You should, because if you were to play the full version of each sport; you are looking at League (min 17), Union (22 or 23), AFL (f**ked if I know but say 23) and soccer (about 15) per side. Multiple that by number of teams per age group - massive number of students per age group - it would dilute the standard across each sport.

 

[taipan]

You should, because if you were to play the full version of each sport; you are looking at League (min 17), Union (22 or 23), AFL (f**ked if I know but say 23) and soccer (about 15) per side. Multiple that by number of teams per age group - massive number of students per age group - it would dilute the standard across each sport.

You did not bother to read further my comments about league 9s or union 7s.The abbreviated versions of each sport is an alternative.
Hell I know of some private primary schools in the Shire ,who have soccer,AFL/union and rl teams.
The dilution view is a fair point,but at least it gives all students the option of freedom of choice,based on the very society in which we now live.
As I stated some private schools already have union/soccer/AFL,a precedent has been set.

 

[magpie4ever]

You did not bother to read further my comments about league 9s or union 7s.The abbreviated versions of each sport is an alternative.
Hell I know of some private primary schools in the Shire ,who have soccer,AFL/union and rl teams.
The dilution view is a fair point,but at least it gives all students the option of freedom of choice,based on the very society in which we now live.
As I stated some private schools already have union/soccer/AFL,a precedent has been set.

I did read your comments re: abbreviated versions; and I will say this most students would rather play the full version of either league or union, not 9s or 7s.

Some of the diocese catholic schools now promote a full league comp (about 10 weeks), followed by a concise union and AFL comp (about 6 weeks) to cover terms 2 and 3. Unfortunately. not all age groups but 14 & 16s for union and 15 & 17s in AFL. Soccer is also played in a full comp as per league.

While not perfect, it is a start.

 

[taipan]

I did read your comments re: abbreviated versions; and I will say this most students would rather play the full version of either league or union, not 9s or 7s.

Some of the diocese catholic schools now promote a full league comp (about 10 weeks), followed by a concise union and AFL comp (about 6 weeks) to cover terms 2 and 3. Unfortunately. not all age groups but 14 & 16s for union and 15 & 17s in AFL. Soccer is also played in a full comp as per league.

While not perfect, it is a start.

(9s is still an entrée,especially if no rl in the full version available.9s is used extensively in introducing the code in some European countries.
If I had the opportunity to play rl 9s instead of full version union,it's no secret what I would opt for.I played flanker in school union and was hardly a fan of it.

 

[madunit]

Put simply British rl parliamentary group lobbied for official inclusion.They did not do it to pass the time of day.If that is looking foolish and my support ,so be it.You question their motives?

I question all that I do not know the facts about.

Why be intrigued .I simply cynically questioned who would have influence .RU leaning people with the RFU and IRB looking the other way?
Who else would benefit?

it's history about our great game. That intrigues me.

 

[taipan]

Look I am a rl internationalist and keen on historical aspects, here are some starting reference points and authors on the subject matter:Tony Collins a rl fan and author and David Hinchliffe a rl fan and Labor member of the All Parliamentary group who were responsible,for gaining rl membership in the Armed forces.

Some other references on the matter
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2010/mar/05/royal-navy-challenge-cup-blackpool

And
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200304/cmselect/cmpubadm/212/212we82.htm

Also
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199899/cmhansrd/vo991103/debtext/91103-66.htm


An extract from Tony Collins Book.Rugby League in 20th century Britain

"Discrimination) Bill which sought to outlaw union's policies towards league,that same year the Ministry of Defence announced it was lifting the ban on rugby league in the Armed forces.

All I can do is base my info on resources such as these,I wasn't there in the UK in 1993/95 but people such as Tom Kemeally ,and Roy Masters I believe have also brought it up at some stage or another.
The mere fact the odd social game played in WW2 did not mean the game was allowed as an accepted part of the Armed Services Sporting curriculum.Else no reason for the Bill being introduced.

 

[LJC]

Furthermore, i'm not beating a drum for Union. I'm just presenting the facts.

Your version of fact is very questionable!

You are presenting an emphasis that is avoiding the genuine issue of RU bias and acts against the game of RL on a widespread scale.

This discourse/thread is about exposing this bias and unfairness toward RL courtesy of RUs "friends in high places" and you choose to redirect this emphasis to somehow implicate RL as a sports bigot toward RU!

You are kidding! Gets some real balance. The examples of RU repressing RL are way ahead in number compared to the other way. Get this in your head and you may see the light. There is something very unfair happening against RL and you are not assisting trying to emphasize RL as a perpetrator.

You deal with your own conscience. I know which game is thoroughly more entertaining and "democratic" to play and watch. RL does not get the "favors" that RU get on a massive worldwide scale! It (RU) has massive establishment backing and has been using this backing to limit and stop RL. It's as plain as that!

Your emphasis of so called 'balance" is very low grade if you consider yourself a true RL fan! The many contributions in this thread showing the many examples of repression toward RL is growing and fact!

Your chosen emphasis is disturbing and questionable if you consider yourself a genuine RL supporter!

 

[Te Kaha]

Your version of fact is very questionable!

You are presenting an emphasis that is avoiding the genuine issue of RU bias and acts against the game of RL on a widespread scale.

This discourse/thread is about exposing this bias and unfairness toward RL courtesy of RUs "friends in high places" and you choose to redirect this emphasis to somehow implicate RL as a sports bigot toward RU!

You are kidding! Gets some real balance. The examples of RU repressing RL are way ahead in number compared to the other way. Get this in your head and you may see the light. There is something very unfair happening against RL and you are not assisting trying to emphasize RL as a perpetrator.

You deal with your own conscience. I know which game is thoroughly more entertaining and "democratic" to play and watch. RL does not get the "favors" that RU get on a massive worldwide scale! It (RU) has massive establishment backing and has been using this backing to limit and stop RL. It's as plain as that!

Your emphasis of so called 'balance" is very low grade if you consider yourself a true RL fan! The many contributions in this thread showing the many examples of repression toward RL is growing and fact!

Your chosen emphasis is disturbing and questionable if you consider yourself a genuine RL supporter!

You keep making claims... you keep failing to provide evidence... You are exactly like a religious nutter... you have already made false claims in this thread, how about backing up the others.

 

[TheDalek079]

for 90 years rugby league and their clubs raped and pillaged union playing stocks...yet some people act like RL are angels

 

[taipan]

for 90 years rugby league and their clubs raped and pillaged union playing stocks...yet some people act like RL are angels

Rugby league clubs are no angels,but that is not the point.

There is a world of a difference between poaching players ,than trying to prevent either a code playing or players playing.One gives players an opportunity to earn money,the other tries to prevent that opportunity.For the latest episode try Morroco circa 2013.

And don't kid yourself French ru clubs poached the crème of French rl players in the amateur years from 46-95.No one said a thing,certainly no one in union.

 

[TheDalek079]

meanwhile 96 of the 99 Welsh dual-internationals were poached from union to league

 

[LJC]

You keep making claims... you keep failing to provide evidence... You are exactly like a religious nutter... you have already made false claims in this thread, how about backing up the others.

You have ignored many examples of repression within this thread.

You are proving to be extremely ignorant!

Just go back to the many contributors in this thread (yes this thread!)and their is your evidence but for dudes like yourself this information doesn't wash and that's the way you are.

The examples are there yet you refute their existence.

Try reading the examples, you might learn something!

 

[madunit]

You LJC are ignoring EVERY fact, that shows the other side of the story.

 

[Te Kaha]

You have ignored many examples of repression within this thread.

You are proving to be extremely ignorant!

Just go back to the many contributors in this thread (yes this thread!)and their is your evidence but for dudes like yourself this information doesn't wash and that's the way you are.

The examples are there yet you refute their existence.

Try reading the examples, you might learn something!

Examples with no evidence. and since you have already lied in one of your examples, as seen below, you need to provide evidence to support these "examples".. which you are not capable of doing.

In New Zealand rugby league is played in schools in the Auckland area. Outside of Auckland, schools are not allowed to play RL.

 

[taipan]

meanwhile 96 of the 99 Welsh dual-internationals were poached from union to league

And please show me where the RFL deliberately set out to kill off or prevent ru from being played in Wales.

Perhaps I suggest you could aim your darts at ru officialdom,they did not want to pay players ,yet the admin kept the gate money.The code has itself to blame.
For 100 years ru bagged rl for paying players calling them mercenaries and the lowest of the low,yet when Rupert Murdoch flashed his wallet,the code and its players tripped over themselves in the rush to get a slice of the action.Hypocrisy at its finest.

 

[Te Kaha]

And please show me where the RFL deliberately set out to kill off or prevent ru from being played in Wales.

Perhaps I suggest you could aim your darts at ru officialdom,they did not want to pay players ,yet the admin kept the gate money.The code has itself to blame.
For 100 years ru bagged rl for paying players calling them mercenaries and the lowest of the low,yet when Rupert Murdoch flashed his wallet,the code and its players tripped over themselves in the rush to get a slice of the action.Hypocrisy at its finest.

And that is why evidence is required.. that post is pure opinion and supposition with little relevance to the truth, that was not why Rugby went professional at all.

 

[taipan]

And that is why evidence is required.. that post is pure opinion and supposition with little relevance to the truth, that was not why Rugby went professional at all.

The evidence re ru is in the UK Bill ,as it was in the French commission into Vichy in 2002.They are hardly works of fiction.As was the Moroccan debacle this year.As was the refusal of the Italian Govt to have liability insurance available to a pro code(rl).

Then where did the gate money for ru internationals go,certainly not to the players,except in France (wink wink) . I attended ru internationals at the SCG,The ground was packed.Gate monies would hardly have been a pittance.

Rugby union went professional in 1995,the very year that the SL war started,as SL went about trying to sign ru players from Sth Africa and beyond .Packer wanted to start his own world ru series,which was knocked on the head by the SA ru.
To even suggest the SL issue did not have influence in union going pro ,is fanciful .

 

[madunit]

Your version of fact is very questionable!

Prove me wrong. Everything I have stated is fact and fact alone. You have stumbled in blindly with your uneducated opinion and ruthless stubborness and ignorance, preventing you from seeing the whole story. And by whole story I mean on both sides, which does in fact mean, other incidents of RU mistreating RL. To understand why RU has behaved the way it has, you need to study and understand its relationship with RL, which means recognising the wrongs RL has done to RU as well.

You appear adamant that RL has done nothing wrong ever.

You are presenting an emphasis that is avoiding the genuine issue of RU bias and acts against the game of RL on a widespread scale.

No, I'm providing facts to allow you to better understand why RU has behaved like it has to RL. I have never condoned either sides behaviour nor have I sided with either code. The fact you are so insistent on ignoring facts makes me appear like I'm disagreeing with you, to you.

This discourse/thread is about exposing this bias and unfairness toward RL courtesy of RUs "friends in high places" and you choose to redirect this emphasis to somehow implicate RL as a sports bigot toward RU!

I have never done that. You have the belief, and thats all it is, that RL has done no wrong to RL. You don't understand in any way, the relationship between the two codes.

You are kidding! Gets some real balance. The examples of RU repressing RL are way ahead in number compared to the other way. Get this in your head and you may see the light. There is something very unfair happening against RL and you are not assisting trying to emphasize RL as a perpetrator.

Get this into your head you dimwit. I have never defended Union and I have never stated that RL has mistreated RU equally in any manner to that of RU's against RL. You are the imbalanced dimwit who needs to learn!

You deal with your own conscience. I know which game is thoroughly more entertaining and "democratic" to play and watch.

RL always has been and always will be. This has nothing to do with the argument., It's just your emotional drivel that invariable comes to the fore when a moron is alosing an argument.

RL does not get the "favors" that RU get on a massive worldwide scale! It (RU) has massive establishment backing and has been using this backing to limit and stop RL. It's as plain as that!and show me where I have said anything against that? You keep quoting this line to me because you have some dumb f**king belief that I've argued against that, when all I've ever done is agreed with it.

Your emphasis of so called 'balance" is very low grade if you consider yourself a true RL fan! The many contributions in this thread showing the many examples of repression toward RL is growing and fact!

I am balanced. You are not. I am a true RL fan and the amount of work I do for the game and its history is evidence of that. In fact, I'm much more of a fan of the game than you are in that context. Again, you dimwit, I have NEVER said repression against RL hasn't happened. If you're so adamant I have, then prove it.

Your chosen emphasis is disturbing and questionable if you consider yourself a genuine RL supporter!

Your inability to comprehend and understand a simple yet basic argument and stance in your own native tongue shows that your level of intellect is disturbingly low and your knowledge of Rugby League, at best could be described as questionable.

Instead of trying to sling pissy f**king insults at me, hows about taking the time to back up your allegations levelled at me, and provide evidence that suggests I'm not a RL fan, evidence that shows I have said repression against RL has never happened and everything else you keep wanking yourself silly over.

 

[madunit]

Now, LJC, answer me this.

Have you ever asked yourself or even wondered, why has RU always had a dislike for RL?

Answering this question is vital to the argument you are trying to make. Oddly enough you not only want to avoid this question, you want to ignore it, let alone attempt to answer it.

To get to the nitty gritty of a conflict, one must start from the beginning and understand both sides of the story.

If you won't do that, then you are no different to people who deny the holocaust, constantly denying the possiblity of something you disagree with ever existing. People who are blinded by their grudges and lack of knowledge.

 

[madunit]

Rugby union went professional in 1995,the very year that the SL war started,as SL went about trying to sign ru players from Sth Africa and beyond .Packer wanted to start his own world ru series,which was knocked on the head by the SA ru.
To even suggest the SL issue did not have influence in union going pro ,is fanciful .

There's a bit more to it than that.

The IRB was losing control of the game as shamateurism was running rife, and with the amount of money being thrown around via Superleague, they knew their star players would be tempted to switch codes. So it was brought in as a measure to maintain control over the code and retain its players.

Superleague was the straw that broke the camels back, regarding Union turning professional.

It was on its way to happening with so many players around the world being paid to play 'secretly'. Superleague just hastened that decision.