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Knownothing

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Te Kaha.
You have tried to discredit the massive attractiveness of RL as a game that can be taken up easily elsewhere around the world.

The main issue is the repression of RL on a worldwide basis.
Unfortunately you are sadly wrong but will never admit to it!

No, it's not. The main issue is that other sports are better organised, and some actually have a genuine, financially strong, independent international governing body. What you call "repression", others might call competitiveness.

AFL is very popular in Australia, and has done pretty well in the tv ratings for many years, neck and neck with the ARL in fact. Is the AFL being repressed too, in your opinion? It is, apparently, an attractive sport, using your criterion for attractiveness.

Their is mounting evidence to show the repression of RL on the world stage and you continue your blinkered view.



Not only in France but many other parts of the world is this "sports apartheid" being carried out against RL. But dudes like you are part of the problem and its pathetic to think you regard yourself as a RL fan.


Mounting evidence? There is a trend of repression? Ireland has just legitimised rugby league as a sport, and South Africa is apparently going to bid for a rugby league world cup. We are told that the game is now spreading into countries like Thailand and the Philippines. Where is the trend, mate?

As for Te Kaha, or any other poster here, being "part of the problem" that is just laughable.

LJC, there is an old saying that sometimes the paranoid are genuinely persecuted. But most times the paranoid are just, well, paranoid.
 

LJC

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No, it's not. The main issue is that other sports are better organised, and some actually have a genuine, financially strong, independent international governing body. What you call "repression", others might call competitiveness.

AFL is very popular in Australia, and has done pretty well in the tv ratings for many years, neck and neck with the ARL in fact. Is the AFL being repressed too, in your opinion? It is, apparently, an attractive sport, using your criterion for attractiveness.




Mounting evidence? There is a trend of repression? Ireland has just legitimised rugby league as a sport, and South Africa is apparently going to bid for a rugby league world cup. We are told that the game is now spreading into countries like Thailand and the Philippines. Where is the trend, mate?

As for Te Kaha, or any other poster here, being "part of the problem" that is just laughable.

LJC, there is an old saying that sometimes the paranoid are genuinely persecuted. But most times the paranoid are just, well, paranoid.

Knownothing.

I'd suggest you read some previously posted articles about the mindset of the RU fraternity in Britain toward RL.

To label the many facts that have been presented by other contributor's as a reflection of paranoia is quite alarming. These are very real facts that have been presented by many contributors to this very informative folder. I have learnt that more repression of RL the sport exists elsewhere in the world, not only the French example, which is still continuing! These other contributors have done the same as I have and shown examples of repression against the sport of RL. You may well disguise or label this bigotry as competitiveness and regard the evidence as "paranoia" but it is very real!. My initial post was an example of RL repression that could occur elsewhere and other posts have confirmed such repression has occurred in other parts of the world.

For instance,somehow I don't think stopping English RL teams at the airport with the military is what I'd class as competitiveness?(But, then again, it depends from what part of town you come from!) Outright bigotry and repression, yes, but not competitiveness! And their are many other repression/bigotry examples but you will call them "competitiveness".

It's a shame you have fobbed off this very alarming repression of RL as "competitiveness" but at least you have not been rude and I welcome your input but this stuff " repression of RL worldwide" is very real and not fair!

Quite simply, a superior form of rugby(RL) is being held back by RU's friends in influential places in various areas around the world. Some people say that RL is starting in new areas(which is great) but why wasn't it(RL) started many years ago? Why should RL have to ride the coat tails of RU to expand? It is a great sport in its own right, but hasn't the "friends in high places " that RU has. I'm Ok with the friends in high places but when it comes to not allowing the sport to be played in schools(worldwide),in other areas of society and having RL teams stopped at the airport etc. then the question must be asked why?

The evidence has shown both: the RU biased people(not all RU people know about this stuff) mindset and many other examples of repressing RL worldwide. And I can't but agree with the many other contributions that have shown examples of the repression of RL.

No doubt this will be paraphrased again and taken out of context, but I will stand by, just as the many other contributors of repression examples would, at what they have sourced and shown in this folder.

Go on your merry way you "denial" dudes. It's your go to deny the many contributions that have been forwarded to this folder. Having a go and singling out the genuine RL supporters is you style. Enjoy. It floats your boat!

I'm going to teach and shame on your bigoted stance and your proclaiming yourself as RL fans. I think not. You are imposters and its concerning but at least the good guys know what they are up against when a genuine discourse is put out there.

Traitors(deniers) you can have your go now!

BTW: Would love to see how RL would have prospered if you dudes got hold of it!

I do agree with MU that poor administration is to blame, but equally, is the repression the game of RL has endured and is still enduring around the world!
 
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ParraEelsNRL

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Bored or lonely?

Just read Champagne Rugby (thanks Russ) and all through the book it mentions massive crowds. The thing that confuses me most is the size of said attendances, I know the biggest crowd at the SCG was just over 70k, yet all through the book it mentions crowds of 70,000 with 22,000 members as well. This would put the attendances over 90,000 for each of the games. Did they make a mistake continually in the book or have the SCG crowds never had the SCG members included?

Buggered if I know how they'd manage to fit that many, but time and time again in this book it states these numbers and how much tickets went for esp when the scalpers got in on it. 1 pound tickets going for 20 pounds and so on, also mentions 10-15,000 sleeping outside the SCG just so they didn't miss out.

It also mentioned the crowds at other places like 45,000 in Bris, 7,000 in Perth which jumped to over 15,000 when they toured again in 1955.

(from page 38)

"The stadium was packed to the limit, the police had fixed to avoid terraces overflowing like they had in the Australia versus Great Britain match in 1928, when, 70,000 paying spectators plus 22,000 life members crammed in".

That can't be right, can it?
 

madunit

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From my knowledge & research, SCG crowd figures are for the number of attendees who paid to attend.

The French crowds in the 30's became so massive because the FRU had been essentially discredited & abandoned by the IRB, causing FRU to find an international opponent to try & draw crowds. The only team that would play them were the inferior Germans. The French public quickly grew tired.

The crowd for the exhibition game between Aus & England on Dec 31 1933 was a sell out & was played in the snow.

Fans in France wanted to see sport, not the brutality that became commonplace in FRU games (which saw a few players killed). If RU had've cleaned itself up, RL never would've got off to that flying start. RL provided fast open football, without the brutality, with more skill & there were no administrative secrets, because it openly declared it was professional, thus, it started with great respect & integrity among the public.

Something which FRU didn't have.
 

madunit

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92k in SCG never happened. It could have only physically done that if half the ground was filled with spectators, as i believe any scg crowd over 50k meant people were sitting around the cricket fence
 

ParraEelsNRL

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From my knowledge & research, SCG crowd figures are for the number of attendees who paid to attend.

Do you know when this changed and they started counting everyone in the ground?

Seems strange that they wouldn't count everyone, but I still find it hard to imagine crowds of 80-90k crammed into the SCG.
 

ParraEelsNRL

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92k in SCG never happened. It could have only physically done that if half the ground was filled with spectators, as i believe any scg crowd over 50k meant people were sitting around the cricket fence

Ahh cheers.

Disregard previous post.
 

madunit

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Its hard to know when it changed. On a number of times, once the NSWRL made enough from ticket sales, they'd open the turnstiles & let people in for free
 

LJC

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By the way for Te Kaha(I think)Just wanted to clarify this:

He needs have a good look at his Math!

Their are 34 players that play on a rugby league field.(34 by 15 tackles can easily eclipse the total game figure of 510) So 500 to 600tackles is not over the top.

Given that 15 tackles is very low for most RL forwards your math is just as nonsensical as your denial of RL repression.

Work on your math you RU troll! Dribble this fact to your toffee nosed ponse friends in the RU circles you frequent!

Teh Kaha quotes tackle sums on 17 players.

Another incorrectly used fact from this so called RL supporter.

You would be a challenge if you went back to do math and history in school. Probably a special class for you!
 

magpie4ever

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Different day, same nonsense posted by this dribbler.

Somehow, I believe he thinks he is promoting rugby league - on a rugby league forum; what a dropkick.
 
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Te Kaha

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Te Kaha.
You have tried to discredit the massive attractiveness of RL as a game that can be taken up easily elsewhere around the world. It is the highest ratings TV sports product in Australia on a consistent basis for many decades now and you come up with logic that shows you have no idea of how ratings figures work. Fancy stating you are a RL fan and try to cast aspersions as to its popularity within Australia!

The main issue is the repression of RL on a worldwide basis.
Unfortunately you are sadly wrong but will never admit to it!

Their is mounting evidence to show the repression of RL on the world stage and you continue your blinkered view.

Mind you your blinkered view(if people read your crap?) is doing no favors for the game of RL!

Perhaps this is deliberate and you are just doing your bit for the RU bigots which you can sadly call yourself!?

I have two more articles about the state of the game (RL in France) to this day and it presents a continuing of the repression we have read about from the book I have quoted.

Not only in France but many other parts of the world is this "sports apartheid" being carried out against RL. But dudes like you are part of the problem and its pathetic to think you regard yourself as a RL fan.

Laughable.

You should be ashamed of your comments to date.

Open your mind and realize that this sort of stuff(repression of a sport-RL) can and does happen and its not fair or right!


So you cant answer a simple question you semi literate moron...

You keep making up bullshit and spreading lies...

Its a simple question.. why doesn't League get TV ratings of more than five million odd in a country of 22 odd million where it is the number one code???

The answer is straight forward and EVERYBODY else knows it.. you don't.. because you are stupid... You should hand back your teaching qualification, you are doing a disservice to the next generation of children by pretending to teach them.
 

Te Kaha

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By the way for Te Kaha(I think)Just wanted to clarify this:

He needs have a good look at his Math!

Their are 34 players that play on a rugby league field.(34 by 15 tackles can easily eclipse the total game figure of 510) So 500 to 600tackles is not over the top.

Given that 15 tackles is very low for most RL forwards your math is just as nonsensical as your denial of RL repression.

Work on your math you RU troll! Dribble this fact to your toffee nosed ponse friends in the RU circles you frequent!

Teh Kaha quotes tackle sums on 17 players.

Another incorrectly used fact from this so called RL supporter.

You would be a challenge if you went back to do math and history in school. Probably a special class for you!

Quite right I did only count one team but you didn't address the point 500-600 tackles a game means 6-7 tackles a minute.. EVERY minute... that doesn't include time taking for kicks, tries and scrums... you want to work out THAT math? or are you making things up again?
 

madunit

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By the way for Te Kaha(I think)Just wanted to clarify this:

He needs have a good look at his Math!

Their are 34 players that play on a rugby league field.(34 by 15 tackles can easily eclipse the total game figure of 510) So 500 to 600tackles is not over the top.

Given that 15 tackles is very low for most RL forwards your math is just as nonsensical as your denial of RL repression.

Work on your math you RU troll! Dribble this fact to your toffee nosed ponse friends in the RU circles you frequent!

Teh Kaha quotes tackle sums on 17 players.

Another incorrectly used fact from this so called RL supporter.

You would be a challenge if you went back to do math and history in school. Probably a special class for you!

I hate RU

So here are some facts which I took no pleasure in finding

In the last test between Australia and Wales:
Wales made 137 tackles out of 151 tackle attempts.
Australia made 118 tackles out of 133 tackle attempts

Thats a total of 255 tackles out of an attempted 284

In the last Rugby League test match played between Australia and New Zealand in the World Cup final:

New Zealand made 360 tackles from 383 attempts
Australia made 356 from 369 attempts

Thats a total of 716 tackles from 752 attempts.

sources
RU game: http://www.espnscrum.com/scrum/rugby/match/186197.html
RL game: http://live.nrlstats.com/matches/nrl/match25611.html

Now that the facts are in, can we move past this nonsensical argument.

trying to sell RL as a faster game by comparing the two slowest aspects of each game is stupid.

It's like trying to find out which F1 car can keep its brakes on the longest.
 
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magpie4ever

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I hate RU

So here are some facts which I took no pleasure in finding

In the last test between Australia and Wales:
Wales made 137 tackles out of 151 tackle attempts.
Australia made 118 tackles out of 133 tackle attempts

Thats a total of 255 tackles out of an attempted 284

In the last Rugby League test match played between Australia and New Zealand in the World Cup final:

New Zealand made 360 tackles from 383 attempts
Australia made 356 from 369 attempts

Thats a total of 716 tackles from 752 attempts.

sources
RU game: http://www.espnscrum.com/scrum/rugby/match/186197.html
RL game: http://live.nrlstats.com/matches/nrl/match25611.html

Now that the facts are in, can we move past this nonsensical argument.

trying to sell RL as a faster game by comparing the two slowest aspects of each game is stupid.

It's like trying to find out which F1 car can keep its brakes on the longest.

It depends on how many players you count in a tackle, rugby union count only one - the main tackler; league counts multiple players as tacklers.

Apples and oranges.
 

ParraEelsNRL

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It depends on how many players you count in a tackle, rugby union count only one - the main tackler; league counts multiple players as tacklers.

Apples and oranges.

Tackles are tackles be they one on one or more, each tackle counts.

That's the point.
 

Te Kaha

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trying to sell RL as a faster game by comparing the two slowest aspects of each game is stupid.

Fair enough, how ever he was trying to make the point that everybody must prefer League because its a better game because of the respective tackle counts... and yes it is a "nonsensical argument".

He just cant understand that the main reason that League isnt the dominant code in the world, as he believes it should be, is because -

A) not everybody has heard\seen League
B) not everybody who has, actually likes\prefers it.

Things self evident to rational people.
 

ParraEelsNRL

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Its hard to know when it changed. On a number of times, once the NSWRL made enough from ticket sales, they'd open the turnstiles & let people in for free

Weird that, in the book they mention crowds and how much money they made.

Some impressive crowds throughout Aus and NZ right down to the pounds and crowds they got even in places like Victoria, WA, NT and South Aus.

Wonderful book.

(Plus NZ sides)
 

madunit

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The crowds, especially in the early days (pre WWII) tended at times to be under estimates.

It shows how noble the game was early on, to a degree (it was probably more about promotion than nobility, a fine line for sure) that they were willing to let people in for free after they'd covered expenses & made the profit they sought.

Perhaps it was also a way of showing to the RU & the public that RL was indeed serious, successful & here to stay.

Either way, it can only be seen as an absolute success.
 

LJC

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Fair enough, how ever he was trying to make the point that everybody must prefer League because its a better game because of the respective tackle counts... and yes it is a "nonsensical argument".

He just cant understand that the main reason that League isnt the dominant code in the world, as he believes it should be, is because -

A) not everybody has heard\seen League
B) not everybody who has, actually likes\prefers it.

Things self evident to rational people.

Try telling that to the RL people of South Africa, France, Morocco, Lebanon, Russia, Ireland, England, Scotland and no doubt other areas that have had RL repressed by various tactics. The big issue is: That it is not RL people going about these devious means by which to eliminate the code of RU. It is the many friends of RU in powerful positions that are exerting their influence in limiting/stopping the growth of RL. For example: It's pretty damming when an English RL side is stopped at the airport in recent years in two countries in their quest to play a game of RL!

The other examples of repression are in this thread. Try reading them.
 

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