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'15 | Origin 2 | Wed 17 Jun | NSW 26-18 QLD | MCG

Origin II: NSW v QLD

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Canard

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The arguement boils down to whether you believe that Pearce knocked on (and therefore Inglis isn't offside) or Myles deliberately played at it and therefore Inglis was offside.
 
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Canard said:
The arguement boils down to whether you believe that Pearce knocked on (and therefore Inglis isn't offside) or Myles deliberately played at it and therefore Inglis was offside.
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No its not.

Myles doesn't have to deliberately play at it for Inglis to be offside. The ball simply has to touch him. Even if pearce kicked it and it ricocheted off Myles arse if Inglis were to make a play at the ball from where he was standing he'd be pinged for offside.

The only argument that can be had is whether or not you think Morgan stripped the ball loose or if Pearce just dropped it. IMO Morgan stripped it backwards, it ricocheted off Myles and then another QLD player, then Inglis recovered it in an offside position.

The only 2 decisions that were actually possible were a QLD feed of the scrum from a Pearce knock on, or a NSW penalty from Inglis being offside. So yeah, the refs got the call wrong technically, as NSW actually should have got the ball back from a penalty instead of a scrum, but denying the try was correct.
 
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Danish said:
Myles doesn't have to deliberately play at it for Inglis to be offside. The ball simply has to touch him. Even if pearce kicked it and it ricocheted off Myles arse if Inglis were to make a play at the ball from where he was standing he'd be pinged for offside.
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Yes, but you have to assume the on-field ref at the time believed that Pearce simply knocked the ball on, and ruled no contact from Myles.

If that was the case, and Im not saying it was, then Inglis was not offside.

Still can't get over Duges diving to try to stop Inglis, from 20m away!

Funnily enough at the last Melbourne Origin a very controversial Inglis try was awarded.

So swings and roundabouts really.
 
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Red Bear said:
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About 44 seconds in. First replay. I thought the strip was fine (it was one on one at that point) but then Myles hand hits it when making the tackle. Knock on any day of the week. And Inglis was offside from all that as well.

Maybe the scrum could've gone the other way if Morgans strip was fine but Pearce was determined to have knocked on. But there is no way that could be given a try.

Phil Gould and co just shocked that referees would decide to enforce the rules on such a big occasion.
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Part of the reason why there is this whole strip/loose carry debate is because of the speed at which the replays are slowed down to. Basically, the more you slow the replay down, the more it looks like a strip. If you watch it in real time , it looks like a loose carry any day of the week. Even when you slow it down slightly, it still looks like a loose carry; its only when you watch it in super slow motion does it begin to look like a strip. Until the NRL determine a standard speed that all replays are examined in, we are going to continue having these controversies, particularly when it comes to the grounding of the ball for tries.

The other factor to take into account is that the on-field decision was that of a try meaning the video ref needs conclusive evidence to over turn the on-field decision. Can you conclusively say that the ball comes off Nate Myles hand and not Mitchell Pearce's leg? I don't think so!

In saying, while the Inglis no try decision was highly controversial, I wouldn't say it was shocking call. I have more of a problem with the Josh Morris try being awarded than that. I simply do not think, based on the decisions we've seen this season, that Morris has control over the ball. I seem to remember early on in the season, Watene-Zelezniak being denied a try when he far more control over the ball than what Morris did. Another example was Greg Inglis against the Cowboys, when they smashed us a month or so ago, getting a legitimate try over turned in an incident similar to Morris'; he grounded the ball in a similar manner by applying force to the point of the ball and was ruled to not have control over it. Like I said above, these controversies come about due to the enormous extent to which we slow replays down to.
 
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Morgan had his hands all over the ball and then pulled the ball out, he never even touched Pearce. Look at it in any speed you want, it is still a strip. Or in your eyes is it only a strip if he gives him a kiss and a cuddle first
 
GongPanther

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A great,absorbing contest.

I was so thoroughly wrapped up in this game,it has renewed my faith in S.O.O.

Keller was a beast.Woods try was iconic.And Jennings try was an accumulation of years of experience.Just watch the class,acceleration and pace he puts on when he goes through that gap....simply magnificent.

And as far as the referring is concerned,I learned a while ago that it's a waste of time in pointing out any errors from the referees.In the long run,in either S.O.O.,or at club level,it evens itself out in the long run.

In the future,Qld will get dudded,N.S.W. will get dudded.

We simply have to accept that refs make mistakes.
 
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Canard said:
Yes, but you have to assume the on-field ref at the time believed that Pearce simply knocked the ball on, and ruled no contact from Myles.

If that was the case, and Im not saying it was, then Inglis was not offside.

Still can't get over Duges diving to try to stop Inglis, from 20m away!

Funnily enough at the last Melbourne Origin a very controversial Inglis try was awarded.

So swings and roundabouts really.
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I think that if the referees could conclusively determine that Myles played at the ball then it would have been a penalty to NSW. Obviously, based on the decision, the referees were only concerned about the strip/loose carry side of things.
 
THE CHAMP

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Pete Cash said:
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This shit tells us nothing
A player can run themselves onside
U do understand this?
 
Dutchy

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NSW were still dominating physically right until the final buzzer. Plenty of momentum going into game three.

QLD are a broken side, old forwards with no depth. Could be a lean few years coming up for them.
 
Pete Cash

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THE CHAMP said:
This shit tells us nothing
A player can run themselves onside
U do understand this?
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He would have to use the power of teleportation to get back onside. Combine the still shot with the YouTube video that shows inglis running onto the ball from right to left. If he got onside he'd have to go the other way.
 
Pete Cash

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If inglis ever got behind Myles I'm not here. I'm still not convinced the ball didn't hit gillets foot either.
 
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