'15 | R5 | Fri 4pm | CBY 17-18 SOU | ANZ

[typicalfan]

diving at the legs refers to attacking the legs with NO INTENTION of charging the ball down (which is what Steve Price, and to a lesser extent, Isaac Luke with the cannonball were famous for doing).

Having seen the footage again, I can't say that James Graham did that.

Is that the rule?

 

[undertaker]

I don't get how so many die hard league fans and commentators don't understand the rules.

Chargedown=legal
Contact with a kickers legs= penalty.

Pretty simple.

But hypothetically, if a successful chargedown (i.e. ball hits the defender) occurs and the defender still makes contact to the kickers legs in the follow through (similar to what happened today), is that still a penalty?

If it is, I agree with LESStar58. You might as well outlaw any charge down attempt.

 

[user_nat]

People seem to be forgetting the extra 2 points minimum given to souffs from the 8 point try given he never got he ball down. 8 points if you consider Morris clearly didn't make contact with his foot, Luke being hurt by an accidental knee from Kasiano.

Whatever way you slice it, the dogs got shafted

I thought there was contact (minimal) and that he did ground it.

Although the no try call was over turned pretty quickly.

 

[undertaker]

Even though he charged the ball down 8-10 times per year? Cool story bro.

that's completely rubbish.

Also, go and ask Tony Caine how he feels about it.

 

[MightyMoo]

Wow.. what a finish

 

[undertaker]

I thought there was contact (minimal) and that he did ground it.

Although the no try call was over turned pretty quickly.

8 pt try occurs if someone HAS scored a try and is also fouled in the immediate process or act of before, during or after grounding the ball. Isaac Luke clearly grounded the ball in the process of being kneed in the back of the head. Correct decision.

Penalty try is nearly the same, the only difference is the ball isn't grounded (i.e. a try hasn't been scored), but would have been beyond reasonable doubt had there been no foul or interference on the potential tryscorer. Hence why in a penalty try there is only one shot for goal, whereas in an 8 pt try the kicker gets an additional shot for goal from where the try was scored

 

[BranVan3000]

People seem to be forgetting the extra 2 points minimum given to souffs from the 8 point try given he never got he ball down. 8 points if you consider Morris clearly didn't make contact with his foot, Luke being hurt by an accidental knee from Kasiano.

Whatever way you slice it, the dogs got shafted

The dogs should have gotten a penalty for Luke getting in the way of the Dogs players legs!

 

[RWB]

Got no link, but only have to look at the round one game between storm and Dragons. Young tonimipea (I"m almost certain I've spelt that wrong) got put on report for contact with a kickers leg

Players also get put on report for head high tackles but that doesn't even every head high tackle is a reportable offence.

 

[The Elephant In The room]

Doesn't mean it's reportable

But hypothetically, if a successful chargedown (i.e. ball hits the defender) occurs and the defender still makes contact to the kickers legs in the follow through (similar to what happened today), is that still a penalty?

If it is, I agree with LESStar58. You might as well outlaw any charge down attempt.

I think that happened last year and because the defender touched it, they couldn't penalize it.

 

[Bastard Squad]

You're joking right? He didn't attack the legs! He landed well short but his momentum took him into Reynolds. It's not like he landed on the non kicking leg straight up. He was at full stretch with his face down trying to block the kick when he landed on the ground.

No I'm not joking, I saw Tony Caine's career ended by Steve Price doing a similar thing. Ruptured 4 ligaments in his knee when it bent the wrong way.

It's dangerous and players need to know you can't dive at the legs under any circumstances.

 

[Front-Rower]

Graham's biggest problem was when he started to try and stop the ball from the foot. If he tries to stop the ball from a standing position and runs into Reynolds' upper body it's play on.

It's like the Pat Richards spear tackle on Inglis. No intent but cops a penalty and a week off.

 

[LatK7]

All this talk of robbery is a laugh. Dogs fans along with Klemmer & Graham acted disgracefully towards a correct call.

 

[GongPanther]

People seem to be forgetting the extra 2 points minimum given to souffs from the 8 point try given he never got he ball down. 8 points if you consider Morris clearly didn't make contact with his foot, Luke being hurt by an accidental knee from Kasiano.

Whatever way you slice it, the dogs got shafted

Luke suffered a cut at the place were he was kicked....notice the bleeding?

He also suffered a lump from that knee to the back of the head.

That knee,after watching it a few times,was not accidental.Kasiano's body changes direction to conclude without a doubt that it was intentional and malicious.

He is in deep mire.

 

[typicalfan]

Players also get put on report for head high tackles but that doesn't even every head high tackle is a reportable offence.

All that comes down to is the video refs discretion. It isn't about it being reportable or not. As it turns out the video ref chose to overturn the call and it appears to be the correct one.

 

[LESStar58]

Press conf with Hasler is up.

https://www.nrl.com/rd-5-press-conference-bulldogs/tabid/10959/contentid/735373/default.aspx

I think Des did very well at the start.

 

[oldmancraigy]

No I'm not joking, I saw Tony Caine's career ended by Steve Price doing a similar thing. Ruptured 4 ligaments in his knee when it bent the wrong way.

It's dangerous and players need to know you can't dive at the legs under any circumstances.

You are dead right.

The fact Graham wasnt looking is irrelevant. he dived at a kicker and made contact with his legs. If it was just careless that he hit him, then it is still a penalty.

Nothing to whinge about here. Move on!

 

[RWB]

All that comes down to is the video refs discretion. It isn't about it being reportable or not. As it turns out the video ref chose to overturn the call and it appears to be the correct one.

My exact point, taking out a players legs isn't by definition a reportable offence. Each incident needs to be judged on its own merits.

 

[LESStar58]

Klemmer deserved his sin binning though.

 

[BranVan3000]

The initial dive didn't make contact with the legs

What did it make contact with then?

 

[TheFrog]

People seem to be forgetting the extra 2 points minimum given to souffs from the 8 point try given he never got he ball down. 8 points if you consider Morris clearly didn't make contact with his foot, Luke being hurt by an accidental knee from Kasiano.

Whatever way you slice it, the dogs got shafted

Accidental knee to the head, accidental kick to the face, accidental dive at the legs. Accidental, accidental, accidental.

It's bullshit. You aren't allowed to do these things whether its accidental or not.

I didn't care which side won today, but the Dogs beat themselves.

Although the push in the back should have been a penalty as well, so the Dogs got a pineapple there. Not sure they could have kicked the goal from 40 metres out near the sideline though. They'd need a George Taylforth for that.