'16 | R9 | Sat | PEN 19-18 CAN | Bathurst

[The Enforcer]

That shot shows Whitehead not square, so penalty and an obvious Panthers wall, penalty, so the not being square should get penalised first.

 

[bileduct]

The tackled player walked off the mark and made contact with vaughan. Thats square every day of the week.

Yup.

 

[Maximus]

Yup.

Your own screenshot shows Vaughan being the only one making contact, so how can you possibly agree with what he posted?

Making contact after the play the ball does not change whether they were square or not.

Whitehead and Vaughan's right feet are directly next to each other. How can they possibly both be square?

First penalty is against the Raiders, so anything after that is irrelevant.

 

[Paullyboy]

Whitehead didn't get involved in the play. Vaughan was clearly square. Just accept the fact you've got 2 Clayton points and be happy with it.

 

[The Enforcer]

Whitehead didn't get involved in the play. Vaughan was clearly square. Just accept the fact you've got 2 Clayton points and be happy with it.

Doesn't matter whether he was involved in the play or not, a rule is a rule which you bunch of sooks have been tearing up over regarding the wall. A dummy half might want to run from there but looks up and sees the second marker almost on him because he hasn't lined up square, so he has to change his mind, so he is involving himself in the play. I just had a look at the ladder and it just has genuine points and not claytons points.

 

[bileduct]

Your own screenshot shows Vaughan being the only one making contact, so how can you possibly agree with what he posted?

I don't know if you are aware of how a still image works, but it's just a capture of one point in time. It doesn't show, for instance, what happens right after, like where the guy playing the ball moves forward into Vaughan.

Making contact after the play the ball does not change whether they were square or not.

No, but Vaughan was square.

Whitehead and Vaughan's right feet are directly next to each other. How can they possibly both be square?

Whitehead is moving backwards, and doesn't touch anyone.

First penalty is against the Raiders, so anything after that is irrelevant.

Panthers have quite clearly formed a wall and impeded Vaughan's ability to block the field goal attempt. Field goal should have been denied.

 

[Maximus]

I don't know if you are aware of how a still image works, but it's just a capture of one point in time. It doesn't show, for instance, what happens right after, like where the guy playing the ball moves forward into Vaughan.

So? He has already played the ball. It makes no difference at all to whether they were square or not.

No, but Vaughan was square.

No he wasn't. He was lined up on Latu's right shoulder. Whitehead was lined up on his left shoulder.

Whitehead is moving backwards, and doesn't touch anyone.

He races up to stop the field goal. Therefore he gets involved. If Vaughan is square, it's not possible for Whitehead to be, so penalty.

Panthers have quite clearly formed a wall and impeded Vaughan's ability to block the field goal attempt. Field goal should have been denied.

Raiders commit first offence, so Panthers penalty right in front.

 

[bileduct]

So? He has already played the ball. It makes no difference at all to whether they were square or not.

The guy playing the ball can't interfere with the markers. Penalty Raiders.

No he wasn't. He was lined up on Latu's right shoulder. Whitehead was lined up on his left shoulder.

Use your eyes mate.

He races up to stop the field goal. Therefore he gets involved. If Vaughan is square, it's not possible for Whitehead to be, so penalty.

He's moving backwards at the point the still image is taken. When he does move forward he has to go around the long way because an illegal wall has been formed blocking his path. Penalty Raiders.

Raiders commit first offence, so Panthers penalty right in front.

No offence was committed by the Raiders.

The dude playing the ball interfered with Vaughan. Penalty Raiders. An illegal wall was formed. Penalty Raiders. Vaughan is impeded by one of the dudes in the wall who steps to his left to block him. Penalty Raiders.

Whitehead doesn't touch anyone and the wall removes any chance for him to take a direct run at the field goal kicker. Penalty Raiders.

 

[The Enforcer]

The guy playing the ball can't interfere with the markers. Penalty Raiders.


Use your eyes mate.


He's moving backwards at the point the still image is taken. When he does move forward he has to go around the long way because an illegal wall has been formed blocking his path. Penalty Raiders.


No offence was committed by the Raiders.

The dude playing the ball interfered with Vaughan. Penalty Raiders. An illegal wall was formed. Penalty Raiders. Vaughan is impeded by one of the dudes in the wall who steps to his left to block him. Penalty Raiders.

Whitehead doesn't touch anyone and the wall removes any chance for him to take a direct run at the field goal kicker. Penalty Raiders.

Whitehead not square, so everything after that becomes irrelevant.

 

[Maximus]

The guy playing the ball can't interfere with the markers. Penalty Raiders.

The markers can't interfere with the guy playing the ball. Vaughan's hand is on him. Penalty Panthers.

Use your eyes mate.

I did. Hence why, unlike you, I can actually see what happened.

Also, unlike you, I'm not a fan of either team, so I've got both eyes open.

He's moving backwards at the point the still image is taken. When he does move forward he has to go around the long way because an illegal wall has been formed blocking his path. Penalty Raiders.

Why would moving backwards affect whether he was square or not? Latu is playing the ball in that picture, so there is no time for him to get square. He didn't run 10 metres back, and the Panthers didn't run 10 metres, so therefore he is offside and getting involved in the play. It doesn't matter if the wall blocks his path, he can't get involved in the play because he is offside.

No offence was committed by the Raiders.

The dude playing the ball interfered with Vaughan. Penalty Raiders. An illegal wall was formed. Penalty Raiders. Vaughan is impeded by one of the dudes in the wall who steps to his left to block him. Penalty Raiders.

Whitehead doesn't touch anyone and the wall removes any chance for him to take a direct run at the field goal kicker. Penalty Raiders.

Whitehead is offside. That comes before any of your infringements. Whitehead couldn't get involved in the play in any way as he is offside. Your picture clearly shows he is not square, so you've got no argument.

Penalty Panthers.

 

[bileduct]

The markers can't interfere with the guy playing the ball. Vaughan's hand is on him. Penalty Panthers.

That's not interference. Happens in almost every tackle of every game. No penalty Panthers.

I did. Hence why, unlike you, I can actually see what happened.

LOL, trade em in pal.

Also, unlike you, I'm not a fan of either team, so I've got both eyes open.

See above.

Why would moving backwards affect whether he was square or not? Latu is playing the ball in that picture, so there is no time for him to get square. He didn't run 10 metres back, and the Panthers didn't run 10 metres, so therefore he is offside and getting involved in the play. It doesn't matter if the wall blocks his path, he can't get involved in the play because he is offside.

He doesn't come within 10m of Wallace. He doesn't interfere with anyone. If he wasn't standing square Segeyaro should have run at him and gotten a penalty right in front. No penalty Panthers.

Whitehead is offside. That comes before any of your infringements. Whitehead couldn't get involved in the play in any way as he is offside. Your picture clearly shows he is not square, so you've got no argument.

Wall has already been formed, marker interferes with Vaughan before Whitehead does anything. Penalty Raiders.

Do I need to teach you more about how still images work? You know that stuff happened after that still image was taken, yes?

Penalty Panthers.

Wrong.

 

[Pete Cash]

The enforcer might need to get his eyes checked. Its the angle created by the camera that makes it look like whitehead iant square. Both of them are acceptably square for how the game is called in practice.

Vaughan is the most not square and he is clearly in front of the ball player because he walked right into him after walking off the mark

 

[Pete Cash]

Anyways lets remember that the bunker ruled that its ok because there was a big enough gap for Vaughan to get through. Presumably he means in between the hooker and merrin. This is not the point thouhh because the only reason Vaughan went down that corridor was because the panthers blocked the most direct route which is now against the rules of the game. I dont give a shit what the raiders were doing, if the ref thought we werent square and blew a penalty i would have copped it (although I would have thought it was prettt harsh), if the ref blew field goal and play on id have been annoyed and we would be discussing it but with the caveat that humans make mistakes in fast motion

But what happened was it was sent to the bunker who not only made the wrong decision by the letter of the law but didnt actually know the rules to begin with based on hia justification. He was clearly using last years rules about interference which i agree vaughan probably wasnt interfered with enough (although merrin did move into him)

Nobody cares that a ref doesnt know the rules besides me ?

 

[The Enforcer]

The enforcer might need to get his eyes checked. Its the angle created by the camera that makes it look like whitehead iant square. Both of them are acceptably square for how the game is called in practice.

Vaughan is the most not square and he is clearly in front of the ball player because he walked right into him after walking off the mark

Check out my glasses, nothing wrong with my eyesight and there the clear ones and not those special green ones that you whingers have on after a loss.

 

[Exsilium]

The enforcer might need to get his eyes checked. Its the angle created by the camera that makes it look like whitehead iant square. Both of them are acceptably square for how the game is called in practice.

Vaughan is the most not square and he is clearly in front of the ball player because he walked right into him after walking off the mark

Mate, statements like "Vaughan is the most not square" is an absolute clutch at straws.

He's not square. Im happy to call the wall a wall but he's not square. His right shoulder is on Latu's right shoulder and outside whiteheads left foot.

Debate the rest if you have to.

 

[Pete Cash]

Mate, statements like "Vaughan is the most not square" is an absolute clutch at straws.

He's not square. Im happy to call the wall a wall but he's not square. His right shoulder is on Latu's right shoulder and outside whiteheads left foot.

Debate the rest if you have to.

If the ref had blown a penalty i would have copped it although refs tend to be lenient if players move off the mark. What i think is absurd is a ref not knowing the rules

 

[The Enforcer]

 

[Maximus]

The enforcer might need to get his eyes checked. Its the angle created by the camera that makes it look like whitehead iant square. Both of them are acceptably square for how the game is called in practice.

Vaughan is the most not square and he is clearly in front of the ball player because he walked right into him after walking off the mark

How are they both square when their right feet are next to each other? Or when both of Whitehead's feet are on the near side of Vaughan's.

This isn't the trick of the camera angle. It is clear to see.

Cut Whitehead's left arm off and they could stand side by side. When 1 arm is the only thing that is behind the front marker, it is not possible for them to both be square.

 

[bileduct]

Anyways lets remember that the bunker ruled that its ok because there was a big enough gap for Vaughan to get through. Presumably he means in between the hooker and merrin. This is not the point thouhh because the only reason Vaughan went down that corridor was because the panthers blocked the most direct route which is now against the rules of the game. I dont give a shit what the raiders were doing, if the ref thought we werent square and blew a penalty i would have copped it (although I would have thought it was prettt harsh), if the ref blew field goal and play on id have been annoyed and we would be discussing it but with the caveat that humans make mistakes in fast motion

But what happened was it was sent to the bunker who not only made the wrong decision by the letter of the law but didnt actually know the rules to begin with based on hia justification. He was clearly using last years rules about interference which i agree vaughan probably wasnt interfered with enough (although merrin did move into him)

Nobody cares that a ref doesnt know the rules besides me ?

Nailed it Pete.

You'd have to be a fool or driven mad from years of wooden spoons to argue otherwise.

 

[bileduct]

How are they both square when their right feet are next to each other? Or when both of Whitehead's feet are on the near side of Vaughan's.

This isn't the trick of the camera angle. It is clear to see.

Cut Whitehead's left arm off and they could stand side by side. When 1 arm is the only thing that is behind the front marker, it is not possible for them to both be square.

Herrrr derrrrpy derppppp!!!!

Vaughan is square and the wall is right there the moment the ball was played. The marker obstructs Vaughan, as does Merrin. All this happens before Whitehead has done anything. He had no impact on the play whatsoever.