17th TEAM

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

My main concern with a team in Perth or Adelaide is recruitment. Melbourne got away with being in a fumbleball wasteland because there were just 2 teams in Queensland in the late 90s until 2007. Brisbane let their guard down.

Any one who is recruited by Perth or Adelaide will sign with a Sydney or Brisbane team in a heartbeat to be closer to their family. Even Melbourne has trouble keeping all of its players. Addo-Carr wants to move back to Sydney.

I wouldn't be able to name a single sponsor from any of the fumbleball clubs, despite them having a team in each major metropolis. I don't watch the game. Putting a rugby league team in fumbleball wastelands won't reign in sponsors if few locals watch them play. I cannot see a rugby league team in Perth or Adelaide faring any better than GWS or the Suns.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Moreton Bay has population bigger than both those places maybe combined. Being in Brisbane allows for derbies but also doesn't limit support from sunshine coast. Team based on sunshine coast would never get support from Brisbane or boast TV metro TV ratings

Derbies will drive up attendances in Brisbane. The Cowboys vs Donkeys game is always the biggest event of the year and the closest thing to a derby. The atmosphere at Cowboys vs Donkeys games is unreal. Being able to do that with four Brisbane clubs multiple times a year is a guaranteed winner. NQ and SQ have a genuine rivalry that extends beyond football, so this will be good for the Cowboys too.

 

[greenBV4]

I wouldn't be able to name a single sponsor from any of the fumbleball clubs, despite them having a team in each major metropolis. I don't watch the game.

I suggest if you want to make a comment like this you actually have a quick look into it first

The reason you don't know any of them is most likely because you don't watch it, nothing to do with national exposure

I did jersey crossover designs in the jerseys thread over lockdown, and something that stood out to me was the calibre of afl sponsors were generally much higher than that of the NRL

You dont see an "ace gutters" as the major sponsor of an afl club, even the struggling ones

 

[greenBV4]

I prefer the Bombers bid, but want it incorporate the process that the Firehawks are using. Direct association with Easts Tigers and Wynnum-Manly Seagulls, composite Brisbane Bombers name, immediately establishes a pathway chuck the Easts and Wynnum logos on the back of the jersey,

This actually makes me think, Easts have said they would before to go ahead as a joint venture with another club, I think wynnum is just a club someone mentioned in here and havnt actually said they would be keen? And redcliffe I think would prefer to go it alone - so why don't they approach the bombers? Firehawks name, bombers money, and easts pathways

 

[jim_57]

Moreton Bay has population bigger than both those places maybe combined. Being in Brisbane allows for derbies but also doesn't limit support from sunshine coast. Team based on sunshine coast would never get support from Brisbane or boast TV metro TV ratings

Expecting all of Moreton Bay to get behind Redcliffe Dolphins playing out of Redcliffe is wishful thinking though isn't it? If they expand their brand and reach they may be a chance, even keeping the Dolphins name would be questionable.

Read the post you originally replied to, in 10-20 years IF these areas are big enough to support their own team then expanding there may be an option after a 2nd Brisbane/Suncorp team is added.

 

[jim_57]

He’s right about the GC and Northern NSW.

Even today it makes absolutely no commercial sense whatsoever for a GC team to target the much smaller, much less densely populated market, with a cultural divide, in Northern NSW.

It’s like local teams in Canberra that have tried to grow their presence in country NSW over Canberra, it’s always a bad idea.

I'm not sure what you think I mean by "targetting", I'm not suggesting they relocate or pour millions in to random towns. It shouldn't be a priority over the Gold Coast but absolutely as the closest team they should be targetting a presence in Northern NSW.

I'm in the Riverina regularly for work, judging by the teamwear I see Raiders are very well supported there, is that a bad thing?

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

The reason you don't know any of them is most likely because you don't watch it, nothing to do with national exposure

That's my point. Throwing money to whack their logo on an expansion team in a city apathetic or hostile to the game is a waste of money, as it's still the heartlands that make up the bulk of the viewers. Lions, Suns, Swans and GWS play in a nation comp, but sponsoring these teams is not a good idea if you want to get your product seen across Queensland and NSW. To do that you're better off going with the Broncos.

I did jersey crossover designs in the jerseys thread over lockdown, and something that stood out to me was the calibre of afl sponsors were generally much higher than that of the NRL

You dont see an "ace gutters" as the major sponsor of an afl club, even the struggling ones

I think there's a perception amongst people unfamiliar with rugby league that fumbleball is a bigger and more popular game, so the companies chuck their money at it.

 

[taipan]

I suggest if you want to make a comment like this you actually have a quick look into it first

The reason you don't know any of them is most likely because you don't watch it, nothing to do with national exposure

I did jersey crossover designs in the jerseys thread over lockdown, and something that stood out to me was the calibre of afl sponsors were generally much higher than that of the NRL

You dont see an "ace gutters" as the major sponsor of an afl club, even the struggling ones

With due respects Ace Gutters might sound small time, but you need to look at their factory set up and length of time they have been in business.They do more than just flog guttering.They are not paying chicken feed either.

 

[greenBV4]

With due respects Ace Gutters might sound small time, but you need to look at their factory set up and length of time they have been in business.They do more than just flog guttering.They are not paying chicken feed either.

Yeah it was a bit of a low pot shot at the company Im sure its not that small time, but you can hardly call it a nationally recognised company, and thats not a shot at the just the sharks either, I'd never heard of RedZed before this year.

I think there's a perception amongst people unfamiliar with rugby league that fumbleball is a bigger and more popular game, so the companies chuck their money at it.

They chuck more money at it because compared to the NRL it is a truly national comp, regardless of how some of those expansion clubs are going. They have supporter bases in every major state, whether this is a big base or not is irrelevant because small is still bigger than none.

Lions, Suns, Swans and GWS play in a nation comp, but sponsoring these teams is not a good idea if you want to get your product seen across Queensland and NSW. To do that you're better off going with the Broncos.

Neds, Hyundai, Oaks Resorts, Coffee Club, XXXX, Coca Cola, Hostplus, Carlton Draught, McDonalds, Streets, Metricon, QBE, Volkswagen, Realestate.com, HSBC, Qatar Air, Toyo Tyres, Kia, Harvey Norman, St George and Virgin Australia (just to name a few of the bigger ones for those 4 clubs) would disagree

 

[parrawentyfan]

He’s right about the GC and Northern NSW.

Even today it makes absolutely no commercial sense whatsoever for a GC team to target the much smaller, much less densely populated market, with a cultural divide, in Northern NSW.

It’s like local teams in Canberra that have tried to grow their presence in country NSW over Canberra, it’s always a bad idea.

To be fair the Raiders do get a lot of support from Queanbeyan. Across the border and where the club was born.

Somewhat similar actually to the Gold Coast situation with the Seagulls coming from across the border. Is there much of a culture difference?

But I guess the State of Origin divide is a big one that Canberra/Queanbeyan doesn't have.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Yeah it was a bit of a low pot shot at the company Im sure its not that small time, but you can hardly call it a nationally recognised company, and thats not a shot at the just the sharks either, I'd never heard of RedZed before this year.

They chuck more money at it because compared to the NRL it is a truly national comp, regardless of how some of those expansion clubs are going. They have supporter bases in every major state, whether this is a big base or not is irrelevant because small is still bigger than none.

Neds, Hyundai, Oaks Resorts, Coffee Club, XXXX, Coca Cola, Hostplus, Carlton Draught, McDonalds, Streets, Metricon, QBE, Volkswagen, Realestate.com, HSBC, Qatar Air, Toyo Tyres, Kia, Harvey Norman, St George and Virgin Australia (just to name a few of the bigger ones for those 4 clubs) would disagree

My guess is it's cheaper to sponsor a fumbleball club in QLD/NSW, and you still get to have your product advertised on Foxtel and news programs across the country. I'd love to know how much they get.

Wouldn't the Warriors be worth more than WA/SA combined? The population of NZ is bigger, and if you're tied up with an NRL club then your product will be shown in QLD, NSW, Vic and NZ. That's got to be worth something.

Maybe a second NZ team is worth more than one in Perth.

 

[taipan]

Yeah it was a bit of a low pot shot at the company Im sure its not that small time, but you can hardly call it a nationally recognised company, and thats not a shot at the just the sharks either, I'd never heard of RedZed before this year.

Agree.But until such time as we have teams in Perth and who knows Adelaide, national brands are going to be hesitant to involved themselves.Plus of course continual off field incidents by numbnuts are a turnoff.

 

[flippikat]

This actually makes me think, Easts have said they would before to go ahead as a joint venture with another club, I think wynnum is just a club someone mentioned in here and havnt actually said they would be keen? And redcliffe I think would prefer to go it alone - so why don't they approach the bombers? Firehawks name, bombers money, and easts pathways

It ticks a lot of boxes, for sure. The Bombers and Easts/Firehawks bids make for a good 'fit' if they combine their strengths.

That's probably my preferred 2nd Brisbane team, followed by Western Corridor, then Redcliffe some way back.

Ideally, long term with Sydney reduced by a few teams I can see a future with Broncos, Firehawks, Dolphins and Jets representing the greater Brisbane area - say 6 Sydney clubs, 4 Brisbane clubs (not counting Gold Coast).. but that's long term.

 

[Perth Red]

3rd Brisbane team would draw larger TV audience than Perth or Adelaide

iI’m always amused when people present a hypothetical as fact lol

 

[Perth Red]

Bring in illusion of national competition but nobody in Perth, Adelaide or Melbourne watching. Plus teams need to propped up like gws. Pass

 

[The Mad Hatter]

Perth Pirates would be an instant asset IMHO.

Time zone
New fans
New sponsors
National exposure

Their TV audience is decent enough for an area with no team and 2-3 hours behind and no Ch 9 support.

GF and SOO viewers as well as NRL crowds show potential and growth.

WA is clearly the best for an expansion team at 18th.

 

[Perth Red]

Have you seen storm's ratings?

Lol storm are one of the most watched teams in australian sport. Most tv audiences are neutrals and tune in to watch the good teams and exciting players.

https://www.mediaweek.com.au/nrl-record-tumble-fox-sports/
https://www.nospam47.com/au/league/...el-nine-fox-league/1myp5z0886qe91xhbp38ed8h30

did you see Friday nights Melbourne fta figure when Ch9 finally acted like a partner in the game and put Storm on the main channel? 96,000 (Brisbane only drew 120,00)

 

[Perth Red]

My main concern with a team in Perth or Adelaide is recruitment. Melbourne got away with being in a fumbleball wasteland because there were just 2 teams in Queensland in the late 90s until 2007. Brisbane let their guard down.

Any one who is recruited by Perth or Adelaide will sign with a Sydney or Brisbane team in a heartbeat to be closer to their family. Even Melbourne has trouble keeping all of its players. Addo-Carr wants to move back to Sydney.

I wouldn't be able to name a single sponsor from any of the fumbleball clubs, despite them having a team in each major metropolis. I don't watch the game. Putting a rugby league team in fumbleball wastelands won't reign in sponsors if few locals watch them play. I cannot see a rugby league team in Perth or Adelaide faring any better than GWS or the Suns.

Said all along that perth should partner with Png as it’s nursery. If the nrl were serious about one day having a team in Perth they would already have laid out a strategy an investment fund to grow the game here and link Perth with PNG though our sg ball side and a pirates academy in Port Moresby. But the nrl is so lacking in vision that it doesn’t know what it is going to do in two years time, let alone where it wants to Be in ten!

 

[Perth Red]

That's my point. Throwing money to whack their logo on an expansion team in a city apathetic or hostile to the game is a waste of money, as it's still the heartlands that make up the bulk of the viewers. Lions, Suns, Swans and GWS play in a nation comp, but sponsoring these teams is not a good idea if you want to get your product seen across Queensland and NSW. To do that you're better off going with the Broncos.


I think there's a perception amongst people unfamiliar with rugby league that fumbleball is a bigger and more popular game, so the companies chuck their money at it.

I think you’d agree there is no bigger apathetic or hostile facing club than gws?
I mean it’s set up in the very heart of RL population. So they must be really struggling to attract sponsors right? Oh hang on
Kia
Toyo tires
Virgin
Harvey Norman
St George bank
Efex
McDonald’s
Tab
And more

there goes your theory!

 

[mongoose]

shows how conned those companies are by the AFL lol is there a more unpopular sports club in the whole country than GWS?
now I am not knocking the AFL's ambition to expand and have a second Sydney club but that club are HATED by not only many people in Western Sydney but the AFL community as a whole. It's full of players from Victoria, SA, WA who would never set foot in Blacktown or Cabramatta unless you paid them. They hide away in the inner west of Breakfast Point and then run back home to mummy and daddy during the AFL offseason. Then there is the token representation of Canberra.
It's really nice that sponsors are lining up to be involved in this plastic franchise that hardly anyone cares about except the suits at AFL HQ.