18th club, whose next?

[Pippen94]

18th team will be jets

 

[MugaB]

18th team will be jets

Newtown!


There's more chance of this happening than Perf

 

[Perth Red]

High school & college football over there are something else

They are still relatively low participation rates at high school and tiny at college by population. F1 is another good example of how pop culture can change things, drive to survive on netflix has massively boosted fanbase. Not many F1 fans have ever been on a racetrack Id guess.

 

[Wb1234]

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They are still relatively low participation rates at high school and tiny at college by population. F1 is another good example of how pop culture can change things, drive to survive on netflix has massively boosted fanbase. Not many F1 fans have ever been on a racetrack Id guess.

hes talking about fan based

college games sell out 100k stadia

at one stage college football was bigger than the nfl

 

[Perth Red]

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hes talking about fan based

college games sell out 100k stadia

at one stage college football was bigger than the nfl

yes I agree, but I was talking about the correlation between participation and fanbase and how American football is a good example of no real correlation. Be it NFL, college or high school.

 

[Wb1234]

yes I agree, but I was talking about the correlation between participation and fanbase and how American football is a good example of no real correlation. Be it NFL, college or high school.

Everyone tries to play football in america but just about everyone gets weeded out

 

[The Great Dane]

Everyone tries to play football in america but just about everyone gets weeded out

That’s definitely untrue.

Even the vast majority of football fans in the US have never played, whether that be pee wee or trying out at high school level and higher. Their participation numbers are tanking as well.

 

[Pippen94]

That’s definitely untrue.

Even the vast majority of football fans in the US have never played, whether that be pee wee or trying out at high school level and higher. Their participation numbers are tanking as well.

Socially, pretty much everybody would've played touch or flag football.

 

[Wb1234]

Socially, pretty much everybody would've played touch or flag football.

To make sense of his posts just reverse everything he says then it’s spot on

 

[The Great Dane]

Socially, pretty much everybody would've played touch or flag football.

Firstly, we both know he wasn't talking about flag football and that you've just pulled it out of your arse as a lame attempt at a gotcha.

Secondly, that's not true either.

American football (AF) had a participation number of 5.16mil in 2018 (down from 8.4mil in 06). Flag football (FF) had participation number of 6.57mil in 2018, and it's participation rate has fluctuated between 5.5 and 7mil over the last decade.

The population of the USA is 331.9mil, so taking into account the fact that AF used to be more popular in prior generations, and FF less popular, I think a generous guesstimate would suggest that around 20% of Americans have participate in football at least once in their lifetime, and the vast majority of those people would be males.

The projections for the future of AF participation rates are shaky at best frankly, however they all agree that AF participation is going to drop way down, and that FF participation isn't going to make up the difference. They also almost universally agreed that there was little to no future in converting a significant percentage of exclusively or mainly FF players into high school, collage, or professional NFL players. In other words the percentage of Americans that have played football looks likely to drop significantly with the passing of each generation, and the talent pool that the NFL has to draw from is going to become increasingly limited.

 

[Perth Red]

Firstly, we both know he wasn't talking about flag football and that you've just pulled it out of your arse as a lame attempt at a gotcha.

Secondly, that's not true either.

American football (AF) had a participation number of 5.16mil in 2018 (down from 8.4mil in 06). Flag football (FF) had participation number of 6.57mil in 2018, and it's participation rate has fluctuated between 5.5 and 7mil over the last decade.

The population of the USA is 331.9mil, so taking into account the fact that AF used to be more popular in prior generations, and FF less popular, I think a generous guesstimate would suggest that around 20% of Americans have participate in football at least once in their lifetime, and the vast majority of those people would be males.

The projections for the future of AF participation rates are shaky at best frankly, however they all agree that AF participation is going to drop way down, and that FF participation isn't going to make up the difference. They also almost universally agreed that there was little to no future in converting a significant percentage of exclusively or mainly FF players into high school, collage, or professional NFL players. In other words the percentage of Americans that have played football looks likely to drop significantly with the passing of each generation, and the talent pool that the NFL has to draw from is going to become increasingly limited.

I cant see it, its a very small but elite pool anyway, even at high school level. theres so much kudos and money involved that kids who can will always want to play AM Football with a dream of college and maybe NFL. The system they have will ensure an elite crop will always come through. I dont see many high school programs closing from lack of participants. Football is still by far the most popular high school sport for boys.

Statistics on School Sports: How Many Students Play Sports? Which Sports Do They Play?

Browse key data on school sports, including how often girls and boys are participating and which ones they are choosing to play.

www.edweek.org

 

[The Great Dane]

I cant see it, its a very small but elite pool anyway, even at high school level. theres so much kudos and money involved that kids who can will always want to play AM Football with a dream of college and maybe NFL. The system they have will ensure an elite crop will always come through. I dont see many high school programs closing from lack of participants. Football is still by far the most popular high school sport for boys.

Statistics on School Sports: How Many Students Play Sports? Which Sports Do They Play?

Browse key data on school sports, including how often girls and boys are participating and which ones they are choosing to play.

www.edweek.org

Can't see what?

None of this directly addresses or disagrees with what I said above.

 

[Perth Red]

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Can't see what?

None of this directly addresses or disagrees with what I said above.

cant see participation dropping to a level that negatively impacts on the talent available for the nfl. Their system is based on amazing elite pathways, not large participation rates. There’s only 73k college players each year feeding the talent needs of 32 NFL teams.

 

[Pippen94]

To make sense of his posts just reverse everything he says then it’s spot on

Firstly, we both know he wasn't talking about flag football and that you've just pulled it out of your arse as a lame attempt at a gotcha.

Secondly, that's not true either.

American football (AF) had a participation number of 5.16mil in 2018 (down from 8.4mil in 06). Flag football (FF) had participation number of 6.57mil in 2018, and it's participation rate has fluctuated between 5.5 and 7mil over the last decade.

The population of the USA is 331.9mil, so taking into account the fact that AF used to be more popular in prior generations, and FF less popular, I think a generous guesstimate would suggest that around 20% of Americans have participate in football at least once in their lifetime, and the vast majority of those people would be males.

The projections for the future of AF participation rates are shaky at best frankly, however they all agree that AF participation is going to drop way down, and that FF participation isn't going to make up the difference. They also almost universally agreed that there was little to no future in converting a significant percentage of exclusively or mainly FF players into high school, collage, or professional NFL players. In other words the percentage of Americans that have played football looks likely to drop significantly with the passing of each generation, and the talent pool that the NFL has to draw from is going to become increasingly limited.

Colleges scout the best athletes & college is the best feeder system in the world. I see so many NFL players who would be world class track athletes, but would get paid a fraction of what they getting now (& be drug tested more often). NFL has nothing to worry about

 

[Pippen94]

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cant see participation dropping to a level that negatively impacts on the talent available for the nfl. Their system is based on amazing elite pathways, not large participation rates. There’s only 73k college players each year feeding the talent needs of 32 NFL teams.

7% of hs players play at college. 1.6% of them play if NFL. This is cream of crop

 

[The Great Dane]

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cant see participation dropping to a level that negatively impacts on the talent available for the nfl. Their system is based on amazing elite pathways, not large participation rates. There’s only 73k college players each year feeding the talent needs of 32 NFL teams.

Nobody is saying that American football's participation rates will drop so low that the NFL won't be able to find the talent to support it's sides, at least not anytime in the foreseeable future. But that doesn't mean that they won't be negatively impacted by that drop in participation either.

I think that it's more than fair to say that such significant drops in participation will inevitably affect the amount of competition for places (particularly lower in the pyramid), and that that will inevitably have some kind of impact on the talent pool. How significant that impact will be remains to be seen.

It's also fair to say that most of that athletic talent that AF misses out on won't just disappear. It will end up elsewhere (mainly basketball would be my guess considering current trends), and that could, and probably will, have long term negative impacts on the NFL as well.

 

[The Great Dane]

Colleges scout the best athletes & college is the best feeder system in the world. I see so many NFL players who would be world class track athletes, but would get paid a fraction of what they getting now (& be drug tested more often). NFL has nothing to worry about

I don't get your point.

I'm not disputing anything you've said there, and it doesn't follow our previous conversation.

 

[Pippen94]

I don't get your point.

I'm not disputing anything you've said there, and it doesn't follow our previous conversation.

Participation numbers for NFL mean jack shi.. Athletes reaching top level will always play the sport

 

[Dark Corner]

yes I agree, but I was talking about the correlation between participation and fanbase and how American football is a good example of no real correlation. Be it NFL, college or high school.

I wonder why American Football doesn't have any minor or semi pro leagues like Baseball and Ice Hockey have in USA ?

 

[Perth Red]

I wonder why American Football doesn't have any minor or semi pro leagues like Baseball and Ice Hockey have in USA ?

Its a good question, theres been attempts but ultimately all have failed. Its a real shame the world league never continued back in early 90's, that was an amazing comp and well before its time in terms of globalisation of sport.

I guess cost plays a big factor, and college football fills the level below NFL for many fans.