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18th club, whose next?

MugaB

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Thanks for your concerns, Manly’s in the NRL, we’re not going anywhere.

What is a concern is WA being done right, not having the Bears bail on it for QLD if they feel the going get tough there.
Mate get f**kd... and take your manly filth with you
 

Wb1234

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Thanks for your concerns, Manly’s in the NRL, we’re not going anywhere.

What is a concern is WA being done right, not having the Bears bail on it for QLD if they feel the going get tough there.
Showing the same concern when it was northern eagles and they wouldn’t share

go moanly!
 

Wb1234

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It is. But I still support the team.

Never left to support the swans. How about you numbnuts?
A long time ago

in a galaxy far far away

cue Star Wars music ……

Video of raiders winning a competition

it’s so good you hung around due to nostalgia !
 

titoelcolombiano

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This is the NRL following the Swans model? The Swans never played home games in their old market after the move, they played all their home games in their new market. The idea of one game at NSO was bad enough, taking two games away from Perth for more Sydney games is crazy.

Has any thought been paid as to what happens with this model when most of the Boomers that this is catering to are no longer with us in the future?
Yeah they need to piss the North Sydney Oval games off. We are going to a new expansion market, giving them a team and then immediately taking two games off them.

It's not even an advantage for the bears, they have to do the long flight to Sydney to play an away team that doesn't have to travel. Dumb idea all around.

Hopefully within 5 years it becomes obvious ala Leichardt and Belmore that NSO is not up to NRL standard anymore. At that point, there would be no reason to have any games in Sydney as NSO was the sole point of having Sydney matches.
 

Wb1234

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Yeah they need to piss the North Sydney Oval games off. We are going to a new expansion market, giving them a team and then immediately taking two games off them.

It's not even an advantage for the bears, they have to do the long flight to Sydney to play an away team that doesn't have to travel. Dumb idea all around.

Hopefully within 5 years it becomes obvious ala Leichardt and Belmore that NSO is not up to NRL standard anymore. At that point, there would be no reason to have any games in Sydney as NSO was the sole point of having Sydney matches.
That’s a fair point about the bears having to travel to Sydney to play manly at nso
 

titoelcolombiano

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It’s better than the status quo of the Bears going between partner club to partner club, but the benefits going forward into the future are questionable. It’s a shot in the arm for the nostalgic Sydney Bears fans now, but in 30-40 years time when the bulk of them are gone, you’re left with the North Sydney district feeding into Perth and the Bears possibly still playing home games in Sydney. Surely they’d drop them when the base is gone, but they may press on with them for some reason.

Why will kids being born today on the North Shore who don’t have any family connection to the Bears support the Perth Bears going forward? How will that North Shore to Perth feeder scenario make sense in the future? Why will these future North Shore kids want to support a WA team?
Lets just say, for this example, it takes 10 years for WA pathways to start producing enough quality players in Perth for the bears...

If I was the NRL, I'd let the bears have the Perth licence with the following conditions attached...

- North Sydney premiership history recognised (i.e. swans)

- colours & logo

- They keep their Sydney junior district, but for only 10 years after their readmission. Gives enough time for the Perth pipeline to kick in, then the North Sydney district is divided up by say Manly & Roosters

- They keep their NSO games for 10 years after their readmission. After that, it's 12 games in Perth.
 

Canard

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There was once an LU member that claimed he stopped supporting the Raiders in the 90s cause he didn't like the shade of green they changed their jerseys to.
 

mongoose

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Thanks for your concerns, Manly’s in the NRL, we’re not going anywhere.

What is a concern is WA being done right, not having the Bears bail on it for QLD if they feel the going get tough there.
haha this deluded idea that Queenslanders will get behind the Bears. There is dozen QLD cup sides they would rather see in the NRL than QLD "norths" Bears.
 

BuffaloRules

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It’s not the bears per se but the idea the perth is having a failed Sydney club forced on it that will be more about north Sydney coming back than perth joining the comp. Add in the dangers of joint ventures, the idea that ns could own the license and white ant things to get back to gosford, lack of focus and investment in wa systems and the main reasoning for it being some suburban nostalgia trip for vlandys and some old boomer ns fans in the media and there are our concerns.

Secondary is the fact a lot of existing nrl fans in perth are from east coast and historic fans of clubs over there who are unlikely to want to follow an old failed Sydney club and you’ve got a recipe for an underwhelming situation.

again for the hard of hearing I’m not totally against a perth bears, but it has to be a swa

I would prefer them not to be called the Bears ..but can’t all those things be sorted out in advance ?

It’s not a joint venture if the Bears have zero ownership of the Perth team ..just make sure that is the case and thus there is no reason for the Bears to “white ant “ them .. PVL could even set it in stone that if the team fails they won’t be able to be relocated anywhere in NSW and the Bears nickname will no longer proceed further in the NRL …this could be a condition of the agreement to allow them in… even for the Bears themselves to agree to this …give them an incentive to make this second chance an all or nothing for them ..

The WA government needs to enter into contractual agreements with the NRL that in return for say money to fund their C of E and ground improvements that the NRL agrees to like a 20 year guarantee that they remain in Perth subject to some financial penalty otherwise ..in 20 years time we will know whether the team has worked or not ..

I doubt the potential Perth fans over there would really be resentful about the Bears nickname about a team that hasnt been around for 25 years … a lot wouldnt in fact know anything about their prior history about being a “failed Sydney team”…. It would have no negative meaning to the overwhelming majority of the potential fan base ..

If you think this could be an issue that derails the Perth team‘s future it doesnt say much about the strength of the bid … but ultimately I suspect you are jumping at shadows ..
 

Vee

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NRL expansion shock with Perth on track to become 18th team in possible alliance with Newtown Jets over North Sydney Bears​

Brent Read, Michael Carayannis and Peter Badel
June 12, 2024 - 4:00PM

The NRL’s path to 20 teams has taken a surprise twist with Perth now the frontrunner to become the game’s latest franchise amid an 11th hour push to have Western Australia in the competition by 2027.

The issue will come to a head with a crucial ARL Commission meeting on the morning of the second State of Origin game in Melbourne on June 26, where they will finalise their plans for the future of the premiership.

Support for Perth to link up with the Newtown Jets continues to grow despite speculation that North Sydney had a near guarantee that they would be part of any new side in Western Australia.

PNG had long been considered the game’s next expansion side but it is understood that the PNG team’s entry to the premiership may follow Perth by 12 months, giving the NRL an expanded 19-team competition by 2028.
Despite the development, the appetite remains for PNG – backed by a bumper $600 million cash injection courtesy of the federal government – to join the NRL.

However, this masthead understands that a bid from Perth – backed by the Western Australian government – is now edging ahead of PNG as the commission looks to add an 18th team as early as 2027. PNG would then become the NRL’s 19th team before a 20th franchise was added to the competition, most likely on the south island of New Zealand.

While the PNG bid has largely hogged the expansion headlines, Perth officials have been quietly going about their business with the strong support of the WA government, WA Rugby League and consortium boss Peter Cumins.
Cumins is the head of a powerful group which also includes his brother Brian Cumins, The Cumins family have a relationship with rugby league stretching back to the Western Reds – Brian Cumins is the founder of Cash Converters, who sponsored the Reds.

The Brothers are two of the driving forces behind a bid to bring the NRL back to Perth, either as a stand-alone entity or as part of a partnership with the Bears or the Jets.

Talks have been held with both former top flight clubs, although an alliance with the Bears has the support of ARL Commission chair Peter V’landys as the game looks to revive a latent supporter base and one of the most powerful brands in the game.

While the Bears link has dominated talk there is some reluctance at the Western Australian government level to join forces with North Sydney. Instead, Newtown have been quietly building their own case in the background and have forged strong relationships with the powerbrokers in Western Australia.

Sources close to the discussions acknowledged that Newtown may be a favourable partner should Western Australia be unable to become a stand-alone franchise. The Jets have also been working on financial backers to help with their return.

Perth consortium members held top-level talks with ARL Commissioner Peter Beattie in WA last week as they looked to turn up the heat on powerbrokers to prioritise their entry over PNG.

The Perth bid has several factors in its favour, most significantly their appeal to broadcasters because of the favourable time zone – the NRL’s broadcast deal ends in 2027. Adding Perth as the 18th team would also give the NRL more time to ensure the PNG bid strengthens its pathways and has time to be successful.

It is believed the $600 million commitment from the federal government would remain in place as long as PNG remained in the frame for entry to the competition.
 

Wb1234

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haha this deluded idea that Queenslanders will get behind the Bears. There is dozen QLD cup sides they would rather see in the NRL than QLD "norths" Bears.
Exactly
It’s not like there’s teams In qld already with the bears logo

lmao
 

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