18th club, whose next?

[flippikat]

Yeah, well possibly you might think that money may have been the problem, a lack of corporates whatever, but looking at their roster there`s nothing wrong with that team on paper, quite a few stars in there. So it makes me think that they just haven`t got it quite right at the club yet and that may well take twenty years, christ, look at the Sharks, Panthers et. al not a lot of success there early on either.

Yeah, but again it seems to be across most (all?) codes in the GC..

I've heard all sorts of reasons offered up - from a transient population, to reluctance of big corporate sponsors to go there, to too many temptations for players off the field - that it's hard separating wild theory from grain-of-truth.

 

[mongoose]

Yeah, but again it seems to be across most (all?) codes in the GC..

I've heard all sorts of reasons offered up - from a transient population, to reluctance of big corporate sponsors to go there, to too many temptations for players off the field - that it's hard separating wild theory from grain-of-truth.

Gold Coast probably was transient in the past, not so much now. It's a growing place for families and it's not just a strip along the beach. There's suburbs and shopping malls and stuff every major city has. Cbus is a good modern stadium and has decent transport connections. The Light Rail will go into Robina at some stage, though not sure how close it will go to the Stadium. I think its in a better position than the Suns ground. Would be nice of Cbus can get a few dollars spent on it for the Olympics though, i do find the stadium very bland on the inside.

There should be enough sponsors for sports teams - Titans have Village Roadshow which is very Gold Coast as they run the theme parks. Not sure Gold Coast has anymore temptations than Sydney or Melbourne or even Brisbane...

 

[greg]

I'm a longtime resident on the GC and Mongoose post is spot on. Lots of patience is required here. Fans are fickle everywhere, Newcastle fans excluded who are rock solid. Success will come and the fans with it. The Broncos unfortunately have plenty of supporters here thanks to prolonged success, 20 years start on the titans and close proximity to Brisbane. Great junior numbers here will pay dividends eventually.

 

[Iamback]

The concern here is the Titans - what if they don't shape-up in 10-15 years time?

As long as AFL has a team there, I guess they'll stay.. but got to think that if the Suns weren't a thing, maybe the Titans would be moved to Brisbane.. yeah?

Titans are why I have no issue with teams like Brisbane Easts or Bears getting involved with bid teams

 

[Iamback]

Or Both, firehawks in Perf, Bears in Adelaide, PNG/Cairns based... Pasifika won't work if its set up in Qld, needs to be setup in NZ, like the RU had done

That solves some problems, Pasifika needs to be with a large islander population.

 

[Wb1234]

Forget pacifika. Png bid based in north Sydney is way stronger. Norths will provide the top up funding to the govt and they won’t care if norths ask for 100 percent ownership

obviously the govt and arlc will need to put in conditions that ten home games are in png and no less

 

[Perth Red]

Yes a PNG club that is in fact NS Bears makes total sense, said no one with any sense ever.

 

[The Penguin #6.]

Yes a PNG club that is in fact NS Bears makes total sense, said no one with any sense ever.

I mean I`ve heard of some odd alliances in my time but that would be the oddest of them all. Papua New Guinea and North Sydney.
If North Sydney if are going to align themselves with someone, make it somewhere you have at least some cultural synergies.

 

[Wb1234]

Yes a PNG club that is in fact NS Bears makes total sense, said no one with any sense ever.

Don’t worry I’m sure a Perth pirates bid still stands a chance against a png bears bid where the federal govt is pumping in 150 million into

 

[Jamberoo]

PNG? Anyone who wants to put a team in a very dangerous city in a third world country has rocks in their head. No player/coach/administrator would want to bring their family there. No fans would travel for games. Besides the political diplomacy benefits, there is simply no point to a team there.

 

[RL The greatest game]

Population of 800k in a rugby league state

suns getting 28 million pa from the afl

Do the suns give out as many free tickets as the Midgets?
If the $28 million pa is the correct figure or near enough, and take the near same figure for the midgets, that is just not sustainable for ever and will only grow as costs rise.

 

[Wb1234]

Do the suns give out as many free tickets as the Midgets?
If the $28 million pa is the correct figure or near enough, and take the near same figure for the midgets, that is just not sustainable for ever and will only grow as costs rise.

With the dolphins I expect the lions will need 30 million and the suns over 30 million

the house of cards in qld is going to need a lot more Victorian money to keep from collapsing

 

[The Penguin #6.]

.

Do the suns give out as many free tickets as the Midgets?
If the $28 million pa is the correct figure or near enough, and take the near same figure for the midgets, that is just not sustainable for ever and will only grow as costs rise.

And then there is the black hole called fumbleballW, and those mad cows want everything the blokes have and they`re militant to boot. Bring..it..on.

 

[Wb1234]

.

And then there is the black hole called fumbleballW, and those mad cows want everything the blokes have and they`re militant to boot. Bring..it..on.

To be fair they have more muscles than the afl men

 

[Jamberoo]

Do the suns give out as many free tickets as the Midgets?
If the $28 million pa is the correct figure or near enough, and take the near same figure for the midgets, that is just not sustainable for ever and will only grow as costs rise.

It is sustainable but will never be profitable. Still think there is a chance the AFL will do something with GWS or GC to keep it at 18 teams once/if Tassie comes in.

 

[The Great Dane]

You have a few exceptions but generally expansion in this country has been poorly done.

If they do rush ahead with 3 new teams, Then I am happy if it involves linking up with Firehawks or the Bears.

Whatever maximises the chances that it will work

All the most successful expansion clubs in Australian sports history have been big independent metropolitan clubs where there was proven demand before hand, not promoted suburban clubs.

If we set relocations to one side, the WC Eagles, Brisbane Broncos, Adelaide Crows, Melbourne Storm, and Western Sydney Wanders, are probably the gold standard of expansion teams in Australian sport. So why wouldn't you copy that mould, instead of the promotion mould that's had mixed results at best?

Of course the answer is that your assertion that promoted teams are safer bets is just a post hock rationalisation to justify your personal preference for "traditional" clubs, and you don't actually care what's best for the sport or league as a whole.

 

[Jamberoo]

All the most successful expansion clubs in Australian sports history have been big independent metropolitan clubs where there was proven demand before hand, not promoted suburban clubs.

If we set relocations to one side, the WC Eagles, Brisbane Broncos, Adelaide Crows, Melbourne Storm, and Western Sydney Wanders, are probably the gold standard of expansion teams in Australian sport. So why wouldn't you copy that mould, instead of the promotion mould that's had mixed results at best?

Of course the answer is that your assertion that promoted teams are safer bets is just a post hock rationalisation to justify your personal preference for "traditional" clubs, and you don't actually care what's best for the sport or league as a whole.

What other clubs have been promoted besides Dolphins and Port Adelaide (both very successful)?

 

[The Great Dane]

What other clubs have been promoted besides Dolphins and Port Adelaide (both very successful)?

Very successful lol.

Port are the smallest and most unstable of the AFL's heartland club's outside of Melbourne, and a big part of the reason why that is is because of the connection to Port. Another independent club in Adelaide would have grown bigger and stronger than the Power by now, just like Freemantle has in Perth.

Port have been a middling success in the AFL when they could have been a much bigger one, and the Dolphins will go exactly the same way given time. The Raiders are a similar story to Port as well, but after that it's all down hill.

The Steelers and Seagulls were both complete failures, the Seagulls farcically so, and some of the stories in soccer and basketball make them look like great successes...

 

[docbrown]

Or Both, firehawks in Perf, Bears in Adelaide, PNG/Cairns based... Pasifika won't work if its set up in Qld, needs to be setup in NZ, like the RU had done

Firehawks in Perth intrigues me. Not saying I agree with it or not.

But if a Queensland state club could relocate, would Queenslanders follow that club?

Say Ipswich Jets as Adelaide Jets etc.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

AMMI park will host storm and Melbourne Bears ok
All Melbourne NRL Games played at AMMI Saturday night. Fans would love it
Game every weekend
Victorian government would love it

That would deprive them of FTA coverage and cost them sponsorship revenue.

The Melbourne Storm are successful because they've been adopted by AFL fans as their "second club". Melbourne 2 will either cannibalise this market or fail to develop a fanbase. The Melbourne Heart/City debacle is a warning we should learn from.