18th club, whose next?

[mongoose]

Yep and as the world increasingly moves to streaming, we'll move a

Way from the archaic 5 capital cities model. Then, it will be subscriptions that matter. And the TV ratings gap will show truly how far in front the NRL is

what good is beating them in ratings if they get more TV money as PR has alluded to 7 million times lol

 

[taipan]

They went for what they thought was best at the time, from what Ive been told by a board member at the time it was incredibly acrimonious and the board was evenly split on which way to go. I’m not sure staying with ARL would have saved them anyway. The game was stupid and short sighted to cut perth, we had 10k registered players at the time, but that’s rugba league for you.

Look 1995 4 clubs joined the ARL comp including your team.The first game for the Reds was on 12th March 1995.In just one months the Reds joined Super league in April 1995.
By the middle of 1996 (remembering the SL comp commenced 1997) support for the Reds dwindled to just over 6,000.Suggesting either their fans were p*ssed off they joined SL , the support was perhaps not as rusted on as expected or the Reds view they may not have the financial resources to compete in the ARL Optus Cup in 1996.
These days new clubs have to show they have the financial backing firstly a financial guarantee, if private wealthy financial backers and an area where at least the populace will be more than curious.It is a lot easier in RL strong areas ,but in AFL cities it is a lot harder, therefore the backing in my view has. to be iron clad.

 

[Colk]

Look 1995 4 clubs joined the ARL comp including your team.The first game for the Reds was on 12th March 1995.In just one months the Reds joined Super league in April 1995.
By the middle of 1996 (remembering the SL comp commenced 1997) support for the Reds dwindled to just over 6,000.Suggesting either their fans were p*ssed off they joined SL , the support was perhaps not as rusted on as expected or the Reds view they may not have the financial resources to compete in the ARL Optus Cup in 1996.
These days new clubs have to show they have the financial backing firstly a financial guarantee, if private wealthy financial backers and an area where at least the populace will be more than curious.It is a lot easier in RL strong areas ,but in AFL cities it is a lot harder, therefore the backing in my view has. to be iron clad.

Agreed. I am sure that the game has learnt its lesson (hopefully) and will make sure that any new side has the financial backing. We are also never going to put in multiple sides in at once again.

I think the war had a massive effect on crowds. There wouldn’t have been many sides whose crowds would have increased during that time. A lot of them would have had massive decreases and who could blame people at the time

 

[Iamback]

I would still say ours and the A-League are worse. They haven’t had a team collapse yet (notwithstanding their arrogance regards GWS) whereas we and the A-League have had multiple.

1995 for all its positivity was way too much in one go. If we did that same expansion over 10-15 years we probably wouldn’t have encountered the problems we did. Anyway lessons learned and all that.

Moving forward though the positive we have is that there are multiple areas seemingly wanting to be a part of the competition. That’s a great place to start.

Yep just need find the balance between places that bring players and finances

 

[Gobsmacked]

Before SL Perth weren't going to bad on the field yet crowds were around 6k , I think a team there today would be much better than that but it's still probably around the 10k mark if they are middling..
Around the bottom probably 8k , top 4 maybe 12k .
These comparisons with crowds over the last 10 years are as relevant as their opening 2 games where they got over 20k.
Once the novelty wears off, probably 10k.

It's a massive investment to have another Perth team. Very much like the Brisbane Lions, after 30 plus years and a few premierships it really is still a niche and probably only big for Victorian ex pats.
Also like the Storm.

AFL territory is AFL territory.
Nrl territory is Nrl territory.

It has never really been broken. Are we all of a sudden thinking that Perth will break that.
Wake up people.

 

[MugaB]

Before SL Perth weren't going to bad on the field yet crowds were around 6k , I think a team there today would be much better than that but it's still probably around the 10k mark if they are middling..
Around the bottom probably 8k , top 4 maybe 12k .
These comparisons with crowds over the last 10 years are as relevant as their opening 2 games where they got over 20k.
Once the novelty wears off, probably 10k.

It's a massive investment to have another Perth team. Very much like the Brisbane Lions, after 30 plus years and a few premierships it really is still a niche and probably only big for Victorian ex pats.
Also like the Storm.

AFL territory is AFL territory.
Nrl territory is Nrl territory.

It has never really been broken. Are we all of a sudden thinking that Perth will break that.
Wake up people.

If any afl city could support rugby league off the trot it would be Perth, it took us 25 for us to get a niche standing in Victoria, and thats mainly coz the team was full of origin QLDers, and as everyone knows there's nothing more hateful to a Victorian than having a NSW base comp having a team in Melbourne, but have them winning consistently with a bunch of QLDers running the show, and they'll warm to it, if only to give it to any NSWelshmen..
That aside, Perth won't be so fanatical when it comes to allegiances, it'll be everyones 2nd team..
I just worry about how competitive they'll be..

 

[Gobsmacked]

If any afl city could support rugby league off the trot it would be Perth, it took us 25 for us to get a niche standing in Victoria, and thats mainly coz the team was full of origin QLDers, and as everyone knows there's nothing more hateful to a Victorian than having a NSW base comp having a team in Melbourne, but have them winning consistently with a bunch of QLDers running the show, and they'll warm to it, if only to give it to any NSWelshmen..
That aside, Perth won't be so fanatical when it comes to allegiances, it'll be everyones 2nd team..
I just worry about how competitive they'll be..

I think it'll mostly just be expats in Perth.
West Australians are either West Coast or Dockers. They might have a curiosity but they won't be regular NRL fans - won't happen.
A Perth team will be a niche of expats and if they underperform will be ditched by them.
10k attendance with 20k watching at home after a couple of years.

 

[Centy Coast]

Before SL Perth weren't going to bad on the field yet crowds were around 6k , I think a team there today would be much better than that but it's still probably around the 10k mark if they are middling..
Around the bottom probably 8k , top 4 maybe 12k .
These comparisons with crowds over the last 10 years are as relevant as their opening 2 games where they got over 20k.
Once the novelty wears off, probably 10k.

It's a massive investment to have another Perth team. Very much like the Brisbane Lions, after 30 plus years and a few premierships it really is still a niche and probably only big for Victorian ex pats.
Also like the Storm.

AFL territory is AFL territory.
Nrl territory is Nrl territory.

It has never really been broken. Are we all of a sudden thinking that Perth will break that.
Wake up people.

Perth would be a better prospect than either PNG or another NZ side, when the Reds were in the competition teams hated travelling over there to play, what they did like though was that nobody over there knew who they were.

 

[Perth Red]

Travel isn't any cheaper today though hence same issues are there, So need to be better prepared now

Difference is nrl pay all travel and accomodation for all clubs now. Totally irrelevant Now.

 

[Gobsmacked]

Difference is nrl pay all travel and accomodation for all clubs now. Totally irrelevant Now.

O great it's free

 

[Perth Red]

Huh? They raked up 10 million in debt( A LOT OF MONEY BACK THEN!)after a couple of years, got bailed out and ended up averaging 6k attendance..
It wasn't a mistake chopping them! It was a mistake putting them in!

The only reason people want them back in is for a dot on the map.

It’s like you don’t understand that the “debt” racked up mostly by news ltd in 96 and 97 as they threw silly money at players and coaches due To a little thing called SL.
Suggest you listen to the reds chairmen if you want to know the real financial picture of the club prior to SL war blowing up.

 

[Perth Red]

O great it's free

What’s free? It’s part of the costs to run a comp the nrl pays out.
how are you an nrl fan commentating on expansion and not know this?

 

[mongoose]

Before SL Perth weren't going to bad on the field yet crowds were around 6k , I think a team there today would be much better than that but it's still probably around the 10k mark if they are middling..
Around the bottom probably 8k , top 4 maybe 12k .
These comparisons with crowds over the last 10 years are as relevant as their opening 2 games where they got over 20k.
Once the novelty wears off, probably 10k.

It's a massive investment to have another Perth team. Very much like the Brisbane Lions, after 30 plus years and a few premierships it really is still a niche and probably only big for Victorian ex pats.
Also like the Storm.

AFL territory is AFL territory.
Nrl territory is Nrl territory.

It has never really been broken. Are we all of a sudden thinking that Perth will break that.
Wake up people.

so for a NRL team to be worthwhile in Perth it has to "take over" AFL? fmd....

 

[Gobsmacked]

It’s like you don’t understand that the “debt” racked up mostly by news ltd in 96 and 97 as they threw silly money at players and coaches due To a little thing called SL.
Suggest you listen to the reds chairmen if you want to know the real financial picture of the club prior to SL war blowing up.

You just cherry pick all you want. V'Landys isn't reading your posts lol.
He's knowns to well the dire situation that the last Perth team was and unlike you is completely aware of the fact you won't get AFL fans to watch RL - has never happened and never will.

 

[AlwaysGreen]

Difference is Perth and Melbourne is that Melbourne inherited a very decent side of players from defunct clubs like the Mariners, Reds etc.

A Perth side won't have that luxury.
All these tens of thousands of supporters that are supposedly going to flock to their home games won't be watching an instantly successful team.

But that's right, Perth have thousands of juniors that will be ready to play first grade within 2 - 3 years, just like the storm, right??

 

[Perth Red]

Look 1995 4 clubs joined the ARL comp including your team.The first game for the Reds was on 12th March 1995.In just one months the Reds joined Super league in April 1995.
By the middle of 1996 (remembering the SL comp commenced 1997) support for the Reds dwindled to just over 6,000.Suggesting either their fans were p*ssed off they joined SL , the support was perhaps not as rusted on as expected or the Reds view they may not have the financial resources to compete in the ARL Optus Cup in 1996.
These days new clubs have to show they have the financial backing firstly a financial guarantee, if private wealthy financial backers and an area where at least the populace will be more than curious.It is a lot easier in RL strong areas ,but in AFL cities it is a lot harder, therefore the backing in my view has. to be iron clad.

There was a massive push back from WA fans about reds joining SL and news ltd taking ownership of the club. fans walked, local clubs closed and player registrations dropped from 10k to under 1k.
lessons to be Learnt about thinking a Sydney club owning a perth club would work maybe?

no argument there, any bid from perth will need to show strong business case and some substantial asset behind them.
I wish the nrl saw value in investing to grow the game, and had the revenue to do so, but they don’t so any new club wherever they are and if not backed by a pokie den will need to be able give them financial confidence.

 

[Perth Red]

You just cherry pick all you want. V'Landys isn't reading your posts lol.
He's knowns to well the dire situation that the last Perth team was and unlike you is completely aware of the fact you won't get AFL fans to watch RL - has never happened and never will.

You don’t say, neither your or mine inane ramblings will make one jot of difference to who gets chosen for expansion lol. I just like to make sure the facts and reality are put out there and fake news doesn’t proliferate.

 

[Gobsmacked]

so for a NRL team to be worthwhile in Perth it has to "take over" AFL? fmd....

Never said that but they need to become fans ,at least some ,which they won't .
Are you suggesting there's a large proportion of the Perth population who don't follow sport? Just waiting for an NRL team?
We have to win fans from somewhere..
Maybe they'll fall from the sky?

 

[Perth Red]

Difference is Perth and Melbourne is that Melbourne inherited a very decent side of players from defunct clubs like the Mariners, Reds etc.

A Perth side won't have that luxury.
All these tens of thousands of supporters that are supposedly going to flock to their home games won't be watching an instantly successful team.

But that's right, Perth have thousands of juniors that will be ready to play first grade within 2 - 3 years, just like the storm, right??

Like the dolphins, cough Jack wighton cough lol

 

[AlwaysGreen]

Love to know the strategy Perth, the home of FIFO, are going to use to entice players and staff from the east coast to uproot their families to come and live 4000 kilometres away from their support base.

And potentially to be neighbours to a crusty old pelican called AFL Red.