18th club, whose next?

[MugaB]

Isnt being gay still illegal in most of these countries? Should we be admitting such non inclusive societies into the nrl?

You brought up the gay angle, which it has nothing to with anything... perf trolling at its worst

 

[Colk]

Been out for the day and just catching up.
Looks like you all agree on:
The difference between Rugby league and Rugby Union is the same as between Rugby league and AFL..

Then a page of legitimising a Pasifika team...

O and I'm an AFL troll..



Great work team

1. A lot of people would essentially state that they are both a challenge. To suggest otherwise is to essentially look at it with a certain bias towards one.

2. We aren’t legitimising a Pasifika team. We are trying to work out how it could possibly work because at this point in time it’s been heavily discussed. That’s the reality of the situation.

We all get that you support a second New Zealand but it is pretty ridiculous to suggest that there aren’t no pros and cons to it, like any other proposed idea

 

[Gobsmacked]

1. A lot of people would essentially state that they are both a challenge. To suggest otherwise is to essentially look at it with a certain bias towards one.

2. We aren’t legitimising a Pasifika team. We are trying to work out how it could possibly work because at this point in time it’s been heavily discussed. That’s the reality of the situation.

We all get that you support a second New Zealand but it is pretty ridiculous to suggest that there aren’t no pros and cons to it, like any other proposed idea

The difference between League, Union and AFL.
Let's say :
AFL= wine
Rugby Union = beer
Rugby league = craft beer

Beer drinkers don't like wine .
Wine drinkers don't like beer.
Beer drinkers will drink craft beer.
( ofcourse there's exceptions)

That's my last shot at trying to explain this.
From here on out Believe whatever the f**k you want

 

[Colk]

6 port moresby (add 2 pre season trials)
3 cairns, 1 tonga, 1 fiji, 1 samoa
Done

Ok but firstly where are they playing in Cairns?

Barlow Park?

Barlow Park | Austadiums

Information about Barlow Park in Cairns including venue layout, history, records, events, map, tickets, directions and accommodation.

www.austadiums.com

That’s not a particularly good ground.

Same with Tonga and Samoa? Those grounds are about as big as Dolphin

I still don’t get the Cairns angle sorry. There are limited direct flights from Cairns to these areas and if you want to play at all these grounds there is a lot of upkeep and money to be invested to make them suitable. There is also a heck of lot more travel putting them in Cairns as well.

At least if you base them in Brisbane or Sydney then you would cut down on travel significantly.

 

[docbrown]

Probably 50% each. The idea of trying to play anywhere else on the Islands seems a bit far-fetched (to be fair a lot of this idea on the surface seems a bit far fetched)

Agreed. But money makes people agree to far-fetched things so who knows.

 

[docbrown]

6 port moresby (add 2 pre season trials)
3 cairns, 1 tonga, 1 fiji, 1 samoa
Done

So if the players live in Cairns they’re playing 22 out of 25 rounds on the road?

 

[Wb1234]

Yeah the number of potential home games in Cairns interests me. Let’s say it‘s 8 there, 3 in PNG and 1 in the Islands somewhere. So you’re talking being on the road for 17 out of 25 rounds. Even more with fewer Cairns games.

I can’t see Sydney happening because of the number of other Sydney clubs. Brisbane? Well like you’ve said, you’ve got 3 nearby games against SE QLD teams so less travel. Will Brisbane embrace a PNG/Pacific branded team though?

Cairns will be lucky to get one home game

more likely trial games

 

[docbrown]

Out of Curiosity I thought I’d look up where the Polynesian population lives in Brisbane. Seems like mostly South and West. Can’t see a Melanesian version.

Demographics of Brisbane - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[docbrown]

Cairns will be lucky to get one home game

more likely trial games

So you’re asking players to be away from their families for 99% of the season.

 

[Colk]

The difference between League, Union and AFL.
Let's say :
AFL= wine
Rugby Union = beer
Rugby league = craft beer

Beer drinkers don't like wine .
Wine drinkers don't like beer.
Beer drinkers will drink craft beer.
( ofcourse there's exceptions)

That's my last shot at trying to explain this.
From here on out Believe whatever the f**k you want

Sure I’ll believe whatever the f*** I want to believe. I believe both would and should work but that there are positives and negatives with anything: that’s reality.

You believe putting a side in an city of 400k- 500k with a dominant other sport presents no challenges whereas putting a side in a city of over 2 million in a similar scenario is completely impossible. It just doesn’t make sense.

I’ll give you a proper example to mull over the positives/negatives

I live in Newcastle/Hunter which has a similar population to both greater Christchurch/Wellington and has had a side that has struggled financially for most of their existence because of a very limited corporate base. This is an area that is enamoured with the game - there is no competition. Thus have you considered the corporate/financial side of this at all? NZ is a rural country with not many large urban areas and has a small economy. That’s the negative of a second New Zealand side- the financial/corporate side. The positives of any second New Zealand side would be player pool but there are negatives and it is foolish to skim over it.

BTW that’s a stupid analogy. Plenty of people drink both wine and beer. They will definitely prefer one but if the objective is to get drunk then they will choose whatever does the job.

 

[Wb1234]

So you’re asking players to be away from their families for 99% of the season.

huh

players move to cairns

they go to png day before game

 

[Colk]

huh

players move to cairns

they go to png day before game

That was the point: they are travelling every week.

 

[jim_57]

Two problems I see there are
1: Sydney is already oversaturated with teams
2: Brisbane only have two currently, but they also have established QRL clubs who’d expect to be next in line for admission in QLD.
Auckland is the other possibility, having the best transport links to Fiji/Tonga/Samoa and the largest P.I. population, but it isn’t convenient to PNG and would heavily cannibalise the Warriors.

I wouldn’t consider them as another Sydney or Brisbane team, nor would I consider them an FNQ team if they were based in Cairns. Essentially they’d be a PNG team FIFO from a central base until a time comes when being based in PNG is viable.

You’d be lucky to get 100 people from Cairns to switch from Cowboys or their current team to a PNG or Pacifika branded side based there even if they do play a few games in Cairns. People trying to say a PNG/Pacifika team FIFO from Cairns ticks the box for another QLD is an extreme stretch. The next Queensland team if/when we get there should be South-West Brisbane/Ipswich or at a very slim chance CQ.

 

[Colk]

Out of Curiosity I thought I’d look up where the Polynesian population lives in Brisbane. Seems like mostly South and West. Can’t see a Melanesian version.

Demographics of Brisbane - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

So based on this Wikipedia thing - although I am not a big fan of Wikipedia - there is roughly 100-150k Pacific Islanders. That’s something you can at least market to.

 

[jim_57]

Yeah the number of potential home games in Cairns interests me. Let’s say it‘s 8 there, 3 in PNG and 1 in the Islands somewhere. So you’re talking being on the road for 17 out of 25 rounds. Even more with fewer Cairns games.

I can’t see Sydney happening because of the number of other Sydney clubs. Brisbane? Well like you’ve said, you’ve got 3 nearby games against SE QLD teams so less travel. Will Brisbane embrace a PNG/Pacific branded team though?

As I replied above I wouldn’t count them as a Brisbane, Sydney or Cairns team, they’d just be based there for convenience since being based in PNG wouldn’t be possible any time soon.

All those places have teams and very few would drop their current team for a PNG or Pacifika side based there. Most or all home games should be in PNG, if that isn’t viable it should be a non-starter, not trying to be morphed it to some FNQ/PNG/Fiji/Tonga/Samoa/Cook Islands combined bid.

 

[AlwaysGreen]

The Pasifika or PNG team based in one city and FIFOing is not going to work, doesn't matter how much tax payer dollars are thrown at it.

Speaking of which, the NRL cops flak from every man and his dog if they look for stadium funding, how are they going to like the government giving millions to fund overseas clubs (that aren't overseas)?

 

[mongoose]

The difference between League, Union and AFL.
Let's say :
AFL= wine
Rugby Union = beer
Rugby league = craft beer

Beer drinkers don't like wine .
Wine drinkers don't like beer.
Beer drinkers will drink craft beer.
( ofcourse there's exceptions)

That's my last shot at trying to explain this.
From here on out Believe whatever the f**k you want

I think you will find more bias against League in Union circles than in AFL circles.... Look at Sydney, a lot of Swans members are ex-union boys. Most of those GPS boys will never follow Rugby League, it is too beneath them. I've met plenty of people from NZ who like both Rugby codes and also plenty who despise League (they're always white too).

I keep hearing a lot of Storm members also have their AFL team, so why would Perth be any different?

 

[jim_57]

So if the players live in Cairns they’re playing 22 out of 25 rounds on the road?

If I had more time on my hands I’d love to see a season travel time total for a team based in Cairns playing home games in PNG/Fiji/Tonga & Samoa. I reckon it would be close to being more than all of the 10 of NSW clubs combined.

 

[Wb1234]

That was the point: they are travelling every week.

So

teams travelling to png from Sydney travel further

 

[docbrown]

So based on this Wikipedia thing - although I am not a big fan of Wikipedia - there is roughly 100-150k Pacific Islanders. That’s something you can at least market to.

It’s Wikipedia but it’s the census data.