18th club, whose next?

[Bukowski]

VLandys last time around made it clear any bid had to have a sound business case and had to be sustainable. Any bid that relies on govt funding doesn't tick either box.

 

[docbrown]

Lmao

you don’t think a team with 40 million a year in funding won’t be able to afford scouts or being a huge boost for junior development in a nation where our sport is number one

best way to produce juniors is an nrl club

The conversation about scouts and player recruitment was to prove that the government’s intentions have nothing to do with player recruitment, which the other poster even agreed.

Where did you get the $40 million figure from?

 

[Wb1234]

The conversation about scouts and player recruitment was to prove that the government’s intentions have nothing to do with player recruitment, which the other poster even agreed.

Where did you get the $40 million figure from?

What the government wants a team for is different to what the nrl wants a team for

they aren’t mutually exclusive

the nrl aren’t admitting a png team because of China

nrl grant 17 million
Federal govt 25 million

Total 42 million excluding gate membership sponsors

 

[AlwaysGreen]

The PNG government have had billions given them by the Australian government over the years. If they want an NRL team they should use the proceeds from those billions to start it.

But wait, those billions have disappeared up the ying yang.

If the governments of Australia and PNG want the NRL to accommodate their charity case then they should be stumping up a lot more cash and incentives.

 

[MugaB]

The conversation about scouts and player recruitment was to prove that the government’s intentions have nothing to do with player recruitment, which the other poster even agreed.

Where did you get the $40 million figure from?

Whos this other poster?
Ive always said its the NRL wanting more players to add to the pool..
What the govt wants is a png affiliated nrl team, the NRL will do whatever to get it funded by them, but they both know that it cannot be in PNG, thats why this has become a broader Pacific team

 

[MugaB]

VLandys last time around made it clear any bid had to have a sound business case and had to be sustainable. Any bid that relies on govt funding doesn't tick either box.

All depends on how its funded, is it done annually or up front every decade, half decade, etc

 

[docbrown]

Honestly, the Pacifika idea reminds me of that ‘a camel is a horse designed by committee’ idiom.

We want a PNG team. That’s based in Australia because PNG is unsafe and no one wants to live there. But it also has to represent the other Pacific Islands. Oh… and it also has to be based in Queensland as we want another Queensland team. Plus let’s Chuck in the Bears brand too.

Synergy.

 

[AlwaysGreen]

If a PNG team can't be in PNG then that's where the argument for an NRL side stops. Use the billions of dollars you get each year to create a safe environment in PNG then come back to the NRL.

 

[Wb1234]

Honestly, the Pacifika idea reminds me of that ‘a camel is a horse designed by committee’ idiom.

We want a PNG team. That’s based in Australia because PNG is unsafe and no one wants to live there. But it also has to represent the other Pacific Islands. Oh… and it also has to be based in Queensland as we want another Queensland teams. Plus let’s Chuck in the Bears brand too.

Synergy.

I think it’s a brilliant bid which overcomes all the weaknesses of a png bid and hence why it’s irresistible

the questions is there’s 250 million only available fora png nrl team. Do we say yes or no

 

[docbrown]

Whos this other poster?
Ive always said its the NRL wanting more players to add to the pool..
What the govt wants is a png affiliated nrl team, the NRL will do whatever to get it funded by them, but they both know that it cannot be in PNG, thats why this has become a broader Pacific team

I disagree. The government wants to buy good will and have something they can take away from PNG if a future PNG government backs China. Rugby league is just a means to an end.

 

[docbrown]

I honestly wonder if I’m talking to people who have actually been to PNG and have seen firsthand the plethora of societal problems that exist there.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the NRL takes the government’s cash. I also wouldn’t be surprised if the club collapses within five years because of all the aforementioned issues.

 

[Bukowski]

All depends on how its funded, is it done annually or up front every decade, half decade, etc

Even a decade isn't long enough.

 

[Wb1234]

I honestly wonder if I’m talking to people who have actually been to PNG and have seen firsthand the plethora of societal problems that exist there.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the NRL takes the government’s cash. I also wouldn’t be surprised if the club collapses within five years because of all the aforementioned issues.

Oh well then we will know it’s not viable and somewhere else can have it

don’t see a club with over 40 million in turnover collapsing tbh

it’s one of the highest in the game excluding lc revenue

it will be a powerhouse financially

it’s being based on cairns to offset the issues with png

 

[Bukowski]

Oh well then we will know it’s not viable and somewhere else can have it

don’t see a club with over 40 million in turnover collapsing tbh

it’s one of the highest in the game excluding lc revenue

it will be a powerhouse financially

it’s being based on cairns to offset the issues with png

Leagues club funding? You think there is going to be a leagues club in PNG? Too funny

 

[docbrown]

Oh well then we will know it’s not viable and somewhere else can have it

don’t see a club with over 40 million in turnover collapsing tbh

it’s one of the highest in the game excluding lc revenue

it will be a powerhouse financially

it’s being based on cairns to offset the issues with png

I can see the club potentially selling out every game in PNG and making only a pittance from the gate after costs (like security) due to the very low ticket prices. I can also see them averaging only a couple of thousand for their Cairns games as locals may likely view them as an outsider team. I can also see them struggling to attract players and coaches, as people will still be put off by playing so many games away from their families. Nobody is taking their wife or girlfriend to Port Moresby. I’m not sure if you’re aware of the rape problem that exists there. Honestly, there’s pros and cons to it. That’s all I’m saying.

 

[Ideas Man Stephen]

Northern Pride is the QRL Cairns RL side, if they are the base home so be it the mascot

As far as resembalance, Wollongong has no dragons, wherever wests is has no tigers and canberra never had any raiders

The Dragons are a direct link to St George which should need no explaining. Balmain are the Tigers in a host of sports because the town colours are black and gold which is why the Tigers is an obvious choice.

these days, mascots of new clubs often have less resemblance to the area they are representing. I don’t think that’s a great idea. I would try and include as much cultural relevance in any side, no matter where they are from.

 

[Bukowski]

I can see the club potentially selling out every game in PNG and making only a pittance from the gate after costs (like security) due to the very low ticket prices. I can also see them averaging only a couple of thousand for their Cairns games as locals may likely view them as an outsider team. I can also see them struggling to attract players and coaches, as people will still be put off by playing so many games away from their families. Nobody is taking their wife or girlfriend to Port Moresby. I’m not sure if you’re aware of the rape problem that exists there. Honestly, there’s pros and cons to it. That’s all I’m saying.

Wb only knows about his suburb in Sydney.

 

[taipan]

The FFRXIII are behind the bid.

Hopefully it is accepted by the QRL.

Clive Palmer I believe still has or had business interests(nickel) in New Caledonia.He has already been involved in rl on the Gold Coast ,so with his big fat wallet he may be able to get behind a French territory team in the Qld Cup.
Caledonian Cyclones.

 

[Ideas Man Stephen]

The Govt don’t necessarily want an NRL team in the Pacific, they certainly don’t want a PNG/Pacific team based out of Australia.

Admitting an NRL team based on govt funding is bonkers, considering that funding can be extinguished or discontinued with or without an election.

Setting up a professional Pacific based 2nd tier with the Hunters, Silktails, Tonga, Samoa, two NZ teams has so many more benefits to RL and the Aus govt:

- cheaper to run this than one NRL team.
- teams based out of the area they represent adds much more value than a team based out of Aus. Improved facilities, employment opportunities, infrastructure and on and on.
- if funding is dropped and the NRL can’t fund it further, it has little bearing on the NRL.
- gives a greater pathway for players, coaches and administrators.
- gives the NRL more bang for buck to maximise the RL/NRL footprint in the region than one NRL team would.

 

[Colk]

I lived in Perth for 3 years. Knowing people in Perth has nothing to do with it. The AFL has a strong comp, 9 games every week in an exciting fast game, loads of cash. The Eagles and Dockers aren't going anywhere and neither are thier fans, if anything the AFL may even ad a side there .
Rugby league won't pick up any AFL fans.
Super rugby is failing, they are losing fans without even having a rival...
And there's another Rugby ( the strongest and biggest rugby comp in the world) on thier doorstep.

This is the problem right here.

You have a high opinion of fumbleball - you have described it as exciting or used positive adjectives to describe on multiple posts. You definitely don’t have the same opinion of union.

Take the emotion out of it and just look at it soberly. Putting a team in NZ is the same as putting a side in Adelaide or Perth. RL won’t be the dominant sport and probably will never be.

Nevertheless, people (if they are interested in sport generally) will watch multiple sports.