18th club, whose next?

[MugaB]

That’s exactly the point. I think it’s a chicken -egg argument. You can’t whinge about the fact that we are only producing players from QLD-NSW and not do anything to change that.

Yes it takes time, effort and money but that’s the only way to solve the supposed problem.

Or maybe they build their own, its the total fact WA won't let Pokie dens,/gambling be a thing, so having a leagues club fund a team, as most east coast clubs are funded that way or atleast started that way, but these days running a club isn't totally dependant on a league club, most nrl clubs are diversifying their income, so it doesn't have to be funded that way, maybe if the WA govt were serious theyd fund a comp for atleast 5 years, get that ball rolling, then see if they'd be attractive enough for the NRL to plonk a license there.. as it stands everyone is looking for a handout, no one wants to start making their own competition better and are either happy to plod along, playing backyard footy hoping for the NRL to bless them... it won't happen coz the arlc aren't looking to spend money or prop up a franchise, when other bidders elsewhere are willing to spend to get a license

 

[Iamback]

That’s exactly the point. I think it’s a chicken -egg argument. You can’t whinge about the fact that we are only producing players from QLD-NSW and not do anything to change that.

Yes it takes time, effort and money but that’s the only way to solve the supposed problem.

hence why I said team 20 in 2032 should be Perth, 2026 or 2027 is too soon

It gives time to get more schools playing the game, Junior rep programs to get run. So there is something to fall back on when kids don't want to move across the other side of Australia

 

[Iamback]

Or png

just go watch the panthers juniors and make them offers

We let them tour the academy to create their own. As we have done with Warriors and a few other clubs.

It isn't some big secret. The club has made it known they will share so to improve talent

 

[MugaB]

We let them tour the academy to create their own. As we have done with Warriors and a few other clubs.

It isn't some big secret. The club has made it known they will share so to improve talent

Its funny coz its what the panthers did with gould way back in 2014, he went on a tour sometime around then to red hill, i think hook was the coach who was glad to show him around

 

[Wb1234]

We let them tour the academy to create their own. As we have done with Warriors and a few other clubs.

It isn't some big secret. The club has made it known they will share so to improve talent

Until the nrl rewards clubs who develop talent properly more clubs will just be like the roosters and let others develop them and poach them

 

[AlwaysGreen]

Until the nrl rewards clubs who develop talent properly more clubs will just be like the roosters and let others develop them and poach them

This isn't the 70s.
Pokie dens
Contra etc.

 

[MugaB]

Until the nrl rewards clubs who develop talent properly more clubs will just be like the roosters and let others develop them and poach them

Well the roosters are now feeling it, they've spent time and effort on Joseph Su'alii only to have RU swoop right in and poach their eggs... suck shit, they now know how it feels,
thats what it feels like every year out in penrith, but with so many juniors heading to other clubs its become the norm... if every club had junior development, we wouldn't be talking about, why we don't have a SA or WA team, it would be easy for them to recruit.... but hey it is what i t is

 

[Iamback]

Until the nrl rewards clubs who develop talent properly more clubs will just be like the roosters and let others develop them and poach them

Teams going well by developing talent will encourage others.

Imagine how good the Warriors will be in 12 months after running a junior Program.

Storm lost by 60 in Round 1 of SG Ball they ended up winning a game, Their Flegg team isn't hopeless.

Canberra and Penrith ended up 1st and 2nd in SG Ball.

Penrith got the Minor Premiership in Harold Matts.

So teams are improving their development pathways, The new teams in need that or right away will be on the backfoot.

Hence why PNG toured Penrith, Have spoken to the Bears

 

[Iamback]

Well the roosters are now feeling it, they've spent time and effort on Joseph Su'alii only to have RU swoop right in and poach their eggs... suck shit, they now know how it feels,
thats what it feels like every year out in penrith, but with so many juniors heading to other clubs its become the norm... if every club had junior development, we wouldn't be talking about, why we don't have a SA or WA team, it would be easy for them to recruit.... but hey it is what i t is

The problem with that strategy is most players aren't interested in going so far away. As we see with the Regional sides now

 

[Wb1234]

Well the roosters are now feeling it, they've spent time and effort on Joseph Su'alii only to have RU swoop right in and poach their eggs... suck shit, they now know how it feels,
thats what it feels like every year out in penrith, but with so many juniors heading to other clubs its become the norm... if every club had junior development, we wouldn't be talking about, why we don't have a SA or WA team, it would be easy for them to recruit.... but hey it is what i t is

It’s up to the arlc to change the rules and make it worthwhile for clubs to invest in juniors then every club would do more of it

there were some good proposals before

and yeh I agree on suaali funny stuff

The problem with that strategy is most players aren't interested in going so far away. As we see with the Regional sides now

Teams going well by developing talent will encourage others.

Imagine how good the Warriors will be in 12 months after running a junior Program.

Storm lost by 60 in Round 1 of SG Ball they ended up winning a game, Their Flegg team isn't hopeless.

Canberra and Penrith ended up 1st and 2nd in SG Ball.

Penrith got the Minor Premiership in Harold Matts.

So teams are improving their development pathways, The new teams in need that or right away will be on the backfoot.

Hence why PNG toured Penrith, Have spoken to the Bears

Penrith doing well rather than the roosters will encourage more clubs to develop players

it’s still too easy for the roosters to poach the cheese from the storm or dom young from Newcastle

 

[Wb1234]

The salary-cap proposal that could revolutionise the game

The Sydney Roosters would be considered a development club and be rewarded with salary-cap relief under a bold proposal that could transform the game.

www.smh.com.au

 

[Gobsmacked]

The salary-cap proposal that could revolutionise the game

The Sydney Roosters would be considered a development club and be rewarded with salary-cap relief under a bold proposal that could transform the game.

www.smh.com.au

This is what should be done:

If a player is at your club for 1 season = 10,000 salary cap exempt.
2 years = 20,000 ect
So clubs who bought a young guy would have an advantage in the bargaining to keep them.
It would encourage more 1 club players and make things a bit easier for clubs who have invested in certain talent.

 

[Perth Red]

This is what should be done:

If a player is at your club for 1 season = 10,000 salary cap exempt.
2 years = 20,000 ect
So clubs who bought a young guy would have an advantage in the bargaining to keep them.
It would encourage more 1 club players and make things a bit easier for clubs who have invested in certain talent.

Problem is how do you decide what is a jnr? If it’s anything under 19 then it rewards clubs who happen to be lucky enough to be based in a high participation area. If it’s any player that debuts in first grade for that club then expect to see a frenzy of 19 year olds signed for silly money.
its not a problem, every club is signing players from each other. Move on.

 

[Wb1234]

30 percent of salary off salary cap if it’s a junior (under 16s)

ten percent more for 5 years at the club and another ten after five years

 

[Colk]

Most of these proposals are just way too complicated, particularly with a salary cap. The problem with the salary cap as it is now is that it is not transparent. Now people want to add percentile differences to a thing that is not really regulated properly. It would be absolutely rorted.

Just allow 2 players that a club has developed (i.e started into juniors all the way to seniors) to be put on a max contract of $2 million per year which can be paid outside of the salary cap and paid for directly by the ARLC. Something similar to that would have the desired effect without skewing the whole thing.

The other alternative - to make it completely transparent is to have a points cap. You can trigger all of these reductions etc without having the problem of it being rigged. Again the problem is how do you create such a system

 

[Steel Saints]

How about, if a player is at the same club for ten years, from his first grade debut, then his entire salary is outside of the cap. Or maybe 50%.

Although before I click "post reply", I do recognize under this proposal, that clubs could get rid of players after nine years, because they can't afford to pay them outside of the cap.

But whatever the proposal, the NRL needs to encourage clubs to develop their own players, through salary cap incentives.

 

[Wb1234]

How about, if a player is at the same club for ten years, from his first grade debut, then his entire salary is outside of the cap. Or maybe 50%.

Although before I click "post reply", I do recognize under this proposal, that clubs could get rid of players after nine years, because they can't afford to pay them outside of the cap.

But whatever the proposal, the NRL needs to encourage clubs to develop their own players, through salary cap incentives.

They would pay them unders in their last years before then sign a new contract at overs

 

[Steel Saints]

They would pay them unders in their last years before then sign a new contract at overs

Yeah thats another rort or loophole.

 

[Iamback]

Most of these proposals are just way too complicated, particularly with a salary cap. The problem with the salary cap as it is now is that it is not transparent. Now people want to add percentile differences to a thing that is not really regulated properly. It would be absolutely rorted.

Just allow 2 players that a club has developed (i.e started into juniors all the way to seniors) to be put on a max contract of $2 million per year which can be paid outside of the salary cap and paid for directly by the ARLC. Something similar to that would have the desired effect without skewing the whole thing.

The other alternative - to make it completely transparent is to have a points cap. You can trigger all of these reductions etc without having the problem of it being rigged. Again the problem is how do you create such a system

Point system wouldn't work too many nuffies get Origin.
Imagine someone like Corey Allan worth the same as Teddy

 

[Colk]

Point system wouldn't work too many nuffies get Origin.
Imagine someone like Corey Allan worth the same as Teddy

It doesn’t have to be ‘fair’ it just has to be transparent.

Clubs can’t be trusted.