18th club, whose next?

[Iamback]

It doesn’t have to be ‘fair’ it just has to be transparent.

Clubs can’t be trusted.

It does though, No one can fart at NRLHQ without the RLPA Approval.

I agree we need change but if it isn't fair it won't work.

Take Dolphins - mid tier roster yet have

Hammer
Brenko Lee
Edrick Lee
Anthony Milford
Wallace
Kaufusi

All have played Origin

Gildart
Isakko
Bromwich
Bromwich
Jeremy Marshall-King
Nikorima

12 players to of either played Origin or for a Tier 1 nation.

So it work actually work against the top sides

 

[Wb1234]

It does though, No one can fart at NRLHQ without the RLPA Approval.

I agree we need change but if it isn't fair it won't work.

Take Dolphins - mid tier roster yet have

Hammer
Brenko Lee
Edrick Lee
Anthony Milford
Wallace
Kaufusi

All have played Origin

Gildart
Isakko
Bromwich
Bromwich
Jeremy Marshall-King
Nikorima

12 players to of either played Origin or for a Tier 1 nation.

So it work actually work against the top sides

Missed out on
Smith
Ponga
Munster
Etc etc

the squad is doing well cause of the coach it’s under the cap by 1 million this season

the salary cap hardly works anymore

 

[Centy Coast]

It’s up to the arlc to change the rules and make it worthwhile for clubs to invest in juniors then every club would do more of it

there were some good proposals before

and yeh I agree on suaali funny stuff


Penrith doing well rather than the roosters will encourage more clubs to develop players

it’s still too easy for the roosters to poach the cheese from the storm or dom young from Newcastle

It’s simple really if clubs are not going to commit to developing at grass roots like the Panthers then the NRL needs to implement a draft system for player recruitment.
A draft is the way to go, NFL does it, AFL does, NRL are to stupid to do it.

 

[Iamback]

Missed out on
Smith
Ponga
Munster
Etc etc

the squad is doing well cause of the coach it’s under the cap by 1 million this season

the salary cap hardly works anymore

The cap doesn't work because of shit clubs paying overs on average players. It is that simple

 

[Iamback]

It’s simple really if clubs are not going to commit to developing at grass roots like the Panthers then the NRL needs to implement a draft system for player recruitment.
A draft is the way to go, NFL does it, AFL does, NRL are to stupid to do it.

The players don't want it.

It would be like the NBA, Warriors or someone drafts a player. That players does their 2-3 years then goes back home.

 

[AlwaysGreen]

Whoever the next team is their attitude and aim needs to be: 'be like the Roosters'.

The Roosters are always accused of rorting the cap but they don't. What they do is offer players the chance to maximise their salary by introducing them to the best business minds going around. The Roosters realised that having the most supporters isn't as important as having the right supporters that will help you attract and keep the best players. Once you start winning you'll gain more supporters anyway.


I'm not sure why i posted this here, i guess its the salary cap talk.

 

[Wb1234]

The cap doesn't work because of shit clubs paying overs on average players. It is that simple

Players don’t want to go to clubs like the tigers knights or raiders even for overs

 

[Wb1234]

It’s simple really if clubs are not going to commit to developing at grass roots like the Panthers then the NRL needs to implement a draft system for player recruitment.
A draft is the way to go, NFL does it, AFL does, NRL are to stupid to do it.

Draft penalises clubs who produce juniors

 

[Wb1234]

Whoever the next team is their attitude and aim needs to be: 'be like the Roosters'.

The Roosters are always accused of rorting the cap but they don't. What they do is offer players the chance to maximise their salary by introducing them to the best business minds going around. The Roosters realised that having the most supporters isn't as important as having the right supporters that will help you attract and keep the best players. Once you start winning you'll gain more supporters anyway.


I'm not sure why i posted this here, i guess its the salary cap talk.

Promising players be looked after in retirement is low key cap cheating

tigers got done for offering Farah a job post retirement

 

[Iamback]

Players don’t want to go to clubs like the tigers knights or raiders even for overs

Nope. Those clubs are developing clubs but have even dropped the ball on that

 

[Iamback]

Whoever the next team is their attitude and aim needs to be: 'be like the Roosters'.

The Roosters are always accused of rorting the cap but they don't. What they do is offer players the chance to maximise their salary by introducing them to the best business minds going around. The Roosters realised that having the most supporters isn't as important as having the right supporters that will help you attract and keep the best players. Once you start winning you'll gain more supporters anyway.


I'm not sure why i posted this here, i guess its the salary cap talk.

They also have stacked junior rep sides and don't need to buy talent. Only do so if they have gaps to fill

 

[Colk]

It does though, No one can fart at NRLHQ without the RLPA Approval.

I agree we need change but if it isn't fair it won't work.

Take Dolphins - mid tier roster yet have

Hammer
Brenko Lee
Edrick Lee
Anthony Milford
Wallace
Kaufusi

All have played Origin

Gildart
Isakko
Bromwich
Bromwich
Jeremy Marshall-King
Nikorima

12 players to of either played Origin or for a Tier 1 nation.

So it work actually work against the top sides

The issue of fairness though is relative. It is purely subjective. Would you say that the salary cap is fair? It doesn’t take into a variety of factors like development or the attractiveness of the location, costs of living et al

The biggest problem is you have a system that you can’t regulate. Once you have a system you can’t regulate then you may as well not have the system at all.

At least if you have a point system or a draft or something that is transparent, you remove any potential of it being rorted and this endless perception of certain clubs with the brown paper bags.

 

[AlwaysGreen]

Promising players be looked after in retirement is low key cap cheating

tigers got done for offering Farah a job post retirement

It's not about that. You have someone like Mark Bouris as a mentor and advisor you'd have to be a dope not to have some of his business acumen rub off on you.

 

[Perth Red]

Missed out on
Smith
Ponga
Munster
Etc etc

the squad is doing well cause of the coach it’s under the cap by 1 million this season

the salary cap hardly works anymore

How can they be $1mill under cap, clubs have to spend above 95% of cap.

 

[Iamback]

The issue of fairness though is relative. It is purely subjective. Would you say that the salary cap is fair? It doesn’t take into a variety of factors like development or the attractiveness of the location, costs of living et al

The biggest problem is you have a system that you can’t regulate. Once you have a system you can’t regulate then you may as well not have the system at all.

At least if you have a point system or a draft or something that is transparent, you remove any potential of it being rorted and this endless perception of certain clubs with the brown paper bags.

Tigers aside. Every team has made the finals atleast once in the 5 year period. That shows the cap is having some affect.

3 years ago Ryan Papenhuyzen was shopped to rival clubs. No one wanted him so you still need the eye for talent but most importantly you want quality able to stay at clubs.

Canberra should win SG Ball this year

Warriors are running 2nd in NSW Cup.

They should be allowed to keep anyone they want from those sides, With a draft they can only keep a very small number.

 

[Perth Red]

Players don’t want to go to clubs like the tigers knights or raiders even for overs

Not sure that’s true, at least for tigers and knights, they’ve signed plenty of established first graders from other clubs over last few years.

only way you’d have a draft is if you took nrl development away from clubs, but there’s no appetite for that. Clubs that can’t keep players need to have a look at themselves in the mirror. Clubs that can’t take talent and develop it into quality nrl first grade talent need to have an hard look at themselves.
Every club is getting the same amount of nrl funding. With $5million over cap now There is no reason every club should not now be spending the same amount in elite development programs Including scouting beyond traditional fish ponds.

 

[Iamback]

It's not about that. You have someone like Mark Bouris as a mentor and advisor you'd have to be a dope not to have some of his business acumen rub off on you.

Coaching too, The amount of players to leave Storm, Roosters and now Panthers that turn into duds is something like 75%. That isn't salary cap

 

[Centy Coast]

Draft penalises clubs who produce juniors

I think the opposite, that a draft would reward clubs developing players

 

[Perth Red]

The other issue is how can some clubs hoard players? Take roosters, they have three players that would be quality fullbacks at other clubs. How can they pay manu at centre the same as a club would be willing to pay him as a star fullback?
maybe if an nrl club had offered sualli star fb wages he wouldn’t be going to union?

development of frinbe players into quality regulars is the other area. Storm seem absolutely skilled at doing this, look at Hynes, now Meaney etc. how can they do it when other clubs seem to struggle so much?

 

[AlwaysGreen]

Coaching too, The amount of players to leave Storm, Roosters and now Panthers that turn into duds is something like 75%. That isn't salary cap

That's why identifying and locking in a quality coach is the key to on field success.

I've often heard porcupines say 'Robinson would be nothing without the cattle he has'. I say, you don't leave the village idiot in charge of the cattle.