18th club, whose next?

[Iamback]

I think the opposite, that a draft would reward clubs developing players

How?

what point is there to develop if you lose them anyway

 

[Colk]

Tigers aside. Every team has made the finals atleast once in the 5 year period. That shows the cap is having some affect.

3 years ago Ryan Papenhuyzen was shopped to rival clubs. No one wanted him so you still need the eye for talent but most importantly you want quality able to stay at clubs.

Canberra should win SG Ball this year

Warriors are running 2nd in NSW Cup.

They should be allowed to keep anyone they want from those sides, With a draft they can only keep a very small number.

I think we are going around in circles a little bit.

My concern isn’t with equity because equity or fairness is a relative concept in any case; hence why I inferred no system you can create is fair.

The problem is that it is not transparent. Once something isn’t transparent, you always leave yourself open to problems of perception or people/teams taking unfair advantages with the system. That’s just the way it is.

I can just imagine another potential Storm situation happening because we haven’t addressed any of those issues since that time. Another salary cap cheating fiasco would be devastating for the game so hence why we need something transparent to avoid such a possibility ever occurring.

 

[Centy Coast]

How?

what point is there to develop if you lose them anyway

Usually you get to keep the ones you want though and clubs who get them pay more for them

 

[Perth Red]

The problem is that it is not transparent. Once something isn’t transparent, you always leave yourself open to problems of perception or people/teams taking unfair advantages with the system. That’s just the way it is.

I can just imagine another potential Storm situation happening because we haven’t addressed any of those issues since that time.

Cough Cronulla cough

 

[Centy Coast]

I think we are going around in circles a little bit.

My concern isn’t with equity because equity or fairness is a relative concept in any case; hence why I inferred no system you can create is fair.

The problem is that it is not transparent. Once something isn’t transparent, you always leave yourself open to problems of perception or people/teams taking unfair advantages with the system. That’s just the way it is.

I can just imagine another potential Storm situation happening because we haven’t addressed any of those issues since that time. Another salary cap cheating fiasco would be devastating for the game so hence why we need something transparent to avoid such a possibility ever occurring.

This is how I look at the salary cap, I look at how the Bulldogs and Roosters buy this player and that player and then you look at the rosters of the Tigers and the Dragons and I can’t imagine those clubs have the same money to play with.

 

[Colk]

Cough Cronulla cough

Parramatta as well.

I just think you are going to have these situations if you don’t find a transparent system

 

[Perth Red]

This is how I look at the salary cap, I look at how the Bulldogs and Roosters buy this player and that player and then you look at the rosters of the Tigers and the Dragons and I can’t imagine those clubs have the same money to play with.

Tigers have signed api, Bateman and papalii. All high quality players. Some clubs sign decent players but remain sht, some sign decent players that add to the quality they have brought through and it makes them better.

tigers have a large jnr catchment, pokie money behind them, access to easier signing of other Sydney players and are still trash.

Maybe it’s a coaching/club culture problem? when you hear what Storm do before signing a player to ensure they are getting the right character of man that fits the club culture it’s no wonder they remain so succesful.

 

[Perth Red]

Parramatta as well.

I just think you are going to have these situations if you don’t find a transparent system

The only way you can be sure is if the nrl held all contracts and paid players directly, then got access to their tax Returns and bank account statements to check for any additional payments.

It’s literally the only way you can be 100% sure, but the rlpa and clubs would never allow it.

 

[Colk]

The only way you can be sure is if the nrl held all contracts and paid players directly, then got access to their tax Returns and bank account statements to check for any additional payments.

It’s literally the only way you can be 100% sure, but the rlpa and clubs would never allow it.

It has to be non financial in my opinion.

 

[Iamback]

Usually you get to keep the ones you want though and clubs who get them pay more for them

Not in a draft. You have no control over who you keep

 

[Perth Red]

You can’t have a draft whilst the nrl clubs are responsible for plAyer development.

 

[AlwaysGreen]

You can't have a draft. Fullstop.

 

[Iamback]

I think we are going around in circles a little bit.

My concern isn’t with equity because equity or fairness is a relative concept in any case; hence why I inferred no system you can create is fair.

The problem is that it is not transparent. Once something isn’t transparent, you always leave yourself open to problems of perception or people/teams taking unfair advantages with the system. That’s just the way it is.

I can just imagine another potential Storm situation happening because we haven’t addressed any of those issues since that time. Another salary cap cheating fiasco would be devastating for the game so hence why we need something transparent to avoid such a possibility ever occurring.

You will never get a perfect situation though, Say you have a points system.

Teams could stack their lower grade teams and get a stronger team in time for the finals.

You make salaries public is the only way but even then the poor clubs don't want that because it shows how bad they are.

Players don't want it as it is private information

 

[Brian potter]

A draft system can only work in a U.S. style collegiate structure.

 

[Brian potter]

You can't have a draft. Fullstop.

You could have a draft system for say schoolboy RL in PNG, Samoa or Tonga for example if the entire development of schoolboy RL was paid for by the NRL.

 

[Colk]

You will never get a perfect situation though, Say you have a points system.

Teams could stack their lower grade teams and get a stronger team in time for the finals.

You make salaries public is the only way but even then the poor clubs don't want that because it shows how bad they are.

Players don't want it as it is private information

I never said perfect - there is no such thing as a perfect system in any case. I said transparent. Totally different words with a totally different meaning.

You are hung up on the idea of equity or fairness. Nothing in the world is fair and any system or idea anybody comes up with could be argued on the basis of fairness because somebody will win or somebody will lose from it. Same with the salary cap.

That’s not the argument. The argument is to prevent the idea of a team systematically cheating the system in place.

On to your example would that really occur? You would have to make the finals in the first place and I’m assuming you wouldn’t change the idea of a Top 30 etc. So you couldn’t play anybody outside of that without written consent like you would now.

 

[taipan]

Anyone who attempts a draft will have it challenged successfully in court.Tutty set the precedent. No ,more law fare ,the game loses out money wise. Especially as it's starting to make decent bikkies.

 

[Wb1234]

I think the opposite, that a draft would reward clubs developing players

How they don’t get to keep their juniors

 

[Wb1234]

Simple incentive invest in juniors and keep them you get a million or two million more to spend than clubs that don’t

every club would then be forced to do it to get the advantages

 

[Perth Red]

Simple incentive invest in juniors and keep them you get a million or two million more to spend than clubs that don’t

every club would then be forced to do it to get the advantages

Sounds good however what that does is favour teams who happen to be in larger jnr participation areas. You can’t blame roosters or melbourne that there arent many kids playing rl in the area they have been assigned.

Maybe if you said any player making nrl debut from u19’s but even then it still favours some clubs over others. Maybe just accept different clubs bring different value to the nrl.