18th club, whose next?

[Perth Red]

By my calculations cost the game around $300-500million between now and 2028 with his sht decisions on tv deals.
So yep he gets sht thrown his way, and rightly so. The game could have done an awful lot with that sort of money.
As for club 18, there is still no visible strategy, plan, or idea where it will be, so rugba league.

 

[taipan]

Perths best chance at an nrl team in close to 30 years … a real chance … and he looks for any excuse to belittle the guy whose going to deliver it

No we'll have to have it in sooner. Couldn't handle 30 years of whining, oh wait I doubt I'll be here by then.

 

[Billythekid]

Like I said the other day, the question with Melbourne is in 20 years is a city of 8 million still going to be a one team town? Or does a second side risk being another GWS? That’s what they’ll be discussing.

Frankly though, it’s pretty obvious that they’re just driving up talk about expansion for free publicity. The other aspect is that this literally tells every potential bidding location to bring something big to the table. No one is guaranteed anything.

I don't think the population is all that relevant. Whether Melbourne has a population of 6, 7 or 8 million that's plenty of people to build up a huge base. There is already enough population to support multiple teams, as we can see by the AFL having so many clubs. The issue isn't the total population it's how many people are actually interested in league.

For me the question has to be will a second team actually increase interest in the game or like you say be an unpopular, unwanted team like GWS. Right now a second team would be a big failure IMO. Now the NRL should be laying the ground work and attempting to grow our footprint in Victoria because it's a growing market and looks to be possibly the biggest in the country.

I don't think it's remotely ready for a second team and no one is really asking for one.

I don’t know what the nrls fascination is with having two or more small teams instead of one big one!

That's what the AFL have done very successfully. There are plenty of other sports around the world that show that a local rivalry like that can help build up interest in the sport.

Having said that I think it tends to mostly work where the sport already has some level of popularity to build a rivalry. That's why it worked for the AFL in Adelaide and Perth and not so much in Sydney and SEQLD.

Personally I do think there is something to be said for having massive teams like the Broncos, Storm or the swans and I don't think expanding to 2 teams is automatically better like many do.

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‘Let’s not have byes’: Why AFL has ‘got to get to 20’ teams — and what city already has a backer

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Bad news for a Perth nrl bid

Ehhhhhhhhhh. This changes nothing. The AFL is already the undisputed king of the Perth sporting market today and that isn't changing. The NRL is attempting to carve out it's own niche for people who don't follow AFL or might be interested in a different sport and to open the NRL up to a new advertising market.

I don't think there are many people in Perth who aren't AFL fans who will suddenly change their allegiance with a new team. Don't get me wrong I think they will be a big success but the NRL can still expand there though I think now is the time to strike.

 

[docbrown]

I don't think the population is all that relevant. Whether Melbourne has a population of 6, 7 or 8 million that's plenty of people to build up a huge base. There is already enough population to support multiple teams, as we can see by the AFL having so many clubs. The issue isn't the total population it's how many people are actually interested in league.

For me the question has to be will a second team actually increase interest in the game or like you say be an unpopular, unwanted team like GWS. Right now a second team would be a big failure IMO. Now the NRL should be laying the ground work and attempting to grow our footprint in Victoria because it's a growing market and looks to be possibly the biggest in the country.

I don't think it's remotely ready for a second team and no one is really asking for one.

That's what the AFL have done very successfully. There are plenty of other sports around the world that show that a local rivalry like that can help build up interest in the sport.

Having said that I think it tends to mostly work where the sport already has some level of popularity to build a rivalry. That's why it worked for the AFL in Adelaide and Perth and not so much in Sydney and SEQLD.

Personally I do think there is something to be said for having massive teams like the Broncos, Storm or the swans and I don't think expanding to 2 teams is automatically better like many do.

Ehhhhhhhhhh. This changes nothing. The AFL is already the undisputed king of the Perth sporting market today and that isn't changing. The NRL is attempting to carve out it's own niche for people who don't follow AFL or might be interested in a different sport and to open the NRL up to a new advertising market.

I don't think there are many people in Perth who aren't AFL fans who will suddenly change their allegiance with a new team. Don't get me wrong I think they will be a big success but the NRL can still expand there though I think now is the time to strike.

One of my favourite quotes is ‘demography is destiny’. So to me, population is important in all future planning. Like I said on another reply, a second team shouldn’t be considered until Storm have at least a 25k average and a membership waitlist. When fans are trying to support the game but are denied due to artificial restrictions, that’s when the demand for a second club is organic.

 

[docbrown]

Not really. There isn't a professional rugby league side in Perth. If the 18th team is based there, the NRL will offer a new form of entertainment in which Perth doesn't have at the moment.

This is why it's difficult for GWS because the Swans are established. And for the same reason, it will also be tough for a second nrl team in Melbourne. NRL needs to do the hard yards before it becomes a consideration for a second side.

The GWS to Perth NRL expansion comparison annoys me for that reason. People in Western Sydney had a team to go watch fumble. It was called the Swans. If you wanted to attend games there were spare seats. If you wanted to be a member could sign up. If you wanted to watch on FTA TV you could.

But there’s no equivalent option for rugby league fans to do that in Perth.

 

[flippikat]

The NRL administrators right now are like kids picking out their Christmas list when you hand them a toy store catalogue..

"Oh, I want a big lego set" *turns page*
"Ooooh.. a bike!" *Turns page*
"Wow! GI Joe Headquarters base playset!" *turns page*
Etc etc

 

[flippikat]

The GWS to Perth NRL expansion comparison annoys me for that reason. People in Western Sydney had a team to go watch fumble. It was called the Swans. If you wanted to attend games there were spare seats. If you wanted to be a member could sign up. If you wanted to watch on FTA TV you could.

But there’s no equivalent option for rugby league fans to do that in Perth.

AFL made a point of getting it's footprint into all the major metro cities FIRST before adding derby teams:

1983 Sydney (relocation)
1987 Perth & Brisbane
1991 Adelaide

1995 Freemantle (WA Derby)
1997 Port Adelaide (SA Derby)
2011 Gold Coast (SE Qld Derby)
2012 GWS (Sydney Derby)

Tellingly, the push for derbies was very soon after getting a metro footprint - but getting that footprint was the first step.

For an NRL parallel, we'd be adding Perth for sure as 18th team & Adelaide as 19th - however the issue presents that Adelaide *may not* be ready that soon... so do we add Perth (18) then either NZ 2 or Brisbane 3 as 19th before we add Adelaide as 20th... maybe staggering the entry of teams 18-20 over a few years in a planned schedule?

 

[Wb1234]

One of my favourite quotes is ‘demography is destiny’. So to me, population is important in all future planning. Like I said on another reply, a second team shouldn’t be considered until Storm have at least a 25k average and a membership waitlist. When fans are trying to support the game but are denied due to artificial restrictions, that’s when the demand for a second club is organic.

We don’t need a second team in Victoria we’ve the metro covered

if anything they should be giving the storm more money than other clubs to help them develop more

soccer added extra teams in melb and it’s been a disaster and soccer has better roots down there than we do

a team in somewhere like Geelong would be a basket case

 

[Pneuma]

‘I’d be shocked’: Christian Welch’s surprise as NRL considers second Victorian team in expansion plans

‘I’d be shocked’: Storm star’s frank reply as NRL considers surprise 18th expansion team

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[NRLMad]

Agreed. We should create Adelaide as that rival to Melbourne. Agree also they should be closer to full every game. Nz offers that. It’s an untapped market. We could put a second team into nz get some all blacks plus bennett as coach and bobs your uncle it’ll do well plus a complement of juniors coming through.

The GWS to Perth NRL expansion comparison annoys me for that reason. People in Western Sydney had a team to go watch fumble. It was called the Swans. If you wanted to attend games there were spare seats. If you wanted to be a member could sign up. If you wanted to watch on FTA TV you could.

But there’s no equivalent option for rugby league fans to do that in Perth.

 

[NRLMad]

That’s just to stir the afl.

‘I’d be shocked’: Christian Welch’s surprise as NRL considers second Victorian team in expansion plans

‘I’d be shocked’: Storm star’s frank reply as NRL considers surprise 18th expansion team

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[flippikat]

The more I think about it, the more I'm convinced that if we *have* to bring back the Bears, Adelaide is the answer.

Perth has it's own bid identity with the Pirates brand, NZ 2 has ample options for a fresh & exciting home grown brand, Brisbane & Queensland have the likes of Tigers & Jets (maybe even more) that want to be promoted and they'll never accept a Sydney brand.. but Adelaide might just be the best fit.

 

[Wb1234]

‘I’d be shocked’: Christian Welch’s surprise as NRL considers second Victorian team in expansion plans

‘I’d be shocked’: Storm star’s frank reply as NRL considers surprise 18th expansion team

www.foxsports.com.au

Vlanyds saying nice things about rugby league in Victoria

 

[The Penguin #6.]

The more I think about it, the more I'm convinced that if we *have* to bring back the Bears, Adelaide is the answer.

Perth has it's own bid identity with the Pirates brand, NZ 2 has ample options for a fresh & exciting home grown brand, Brisbane & Queensland have the likes of Tigers & Jets (maybe even more) that want to be promoted and they'll never accept a Sydney brand.. but Adelaide might just be the best fit.

If the Bears had two braincells to rub together they`d realise this and start planning that now instead of carrying on in the embarrassing way they are presently.

 

[King-Gutho94]

Like I said the other day, the question with Melbourne is in 20 years is a city of 8 million still going to be a one team town? Or does a second side risk being another GWS? That’s what they’ll be discussing.

Frankly though, it’s pretty obvious that they’re just driving up talk about expansion for free publicity. The other aspect is that this literally tells every potential bidding location to bring something big to the table. No one is guaranteed anything.

I reckon its just PVL stirring up the AFL with the Tassie stuff.

 

[King-Gutho94]

I don’t know what the nrls fascination is with having two or more small teams instead of one big one!

There wont be a 2nd team in Melbourne.

PVL is stirring the pot with the AFL salivating over the new Tassie team.

 

[King-Gutho94]

We don’t need a second team in Victoria we’ve the metro covered

if anything they should be giving the storm more money than other clubs to help them develop more

soccer added extra teams in melb and it’s been a disaster and soccer has better roots down there than we do

a team in somewhere like Geelong would be a basket case

Storm are one of the richest clubs in the game now.

They are up there with the Roosters, Broncos & Souths.

They dont need more money. They get good enough crowds and reality is the NRL could schedule them a bit better for home games.

The only worry would be if they ever in our lifetime have a down period outside the top 8. And what would the drop off in support be.

But after being successful for 25 years they have enough foundation of suport and history to build off now to handle that.

 

[Wb1234]

Storm are one of the richest clubs in the game now.

They are up there with the Roosters, Broncos & Souths.

They dont need more money. They get good enough crowds and reality is the NRL could schedule them a bit better for home games.

The only worry would be if they ever in our lifetime have a down period outside the top 8. And what would the drop off in support be.

But after being successful for 25 years they have enough foundation of suport and history to build off now to handle that.

Yeh that’s the issue what happens to their crowds when they aren’t this successful

by good management they find stars from anywhere but going forward can they do that without Bellamy

 

[The Penguin #6.]

Yeh that’s the issue what happens to their crowds when they aren’t this successful

by good management they find stars from anywhere but going forward can they do that without Bellamy

They`re a club that is run really, really well and it`s hard to see them ever not being a top 8 side for more than a couple of years at any one time. That strength should be enough to see them through a couple of lean years if that occurs.
Also their strength in the board room is only going to be reinforced now as well by what appears to be the take-off of the game in Victoria participation wise.

 

[Wb1234]

They`re a club that is run really, really well and it`s hard to see them ever not being a top 8 side for more than a couple of years at any one time. That strength should be enough to see them through a couple of lean years if that occurs.
Also their strength in the board room is only going to be reinforced now as well by what appears to be the take-off of the game in Victoria participation wise.

Victorian participation maybe

but it’s inevitable their run of success will taper off but hopefully most of their crowds stay loyal

the next coach is on a hiding to nothing coming after Bellamy

it’s why the arlc should be giving them extra financial support so they are stable off the field during the lean years