18th club, whose next?

[Perth Red]

You know manly have gotten a lot of nrl players from Blacktown and there’s a leagues club around there somewhere too

its why the fumblers originally were based there as it’s a gap between the two major western Sydney teams

yeh 30km to penrith, 17km to parramatta, 20km to accor, only 4 NRL clubs they could follow in a reasonable distance, geez wont someone think of the poor Blacktown RL fans with no options to follow NRL near by!

 

[Wb1234]

Been through this, yes to 2 and 3, though I'm sure the other sports would arc up on 3.
Id love a new 30k stadium next to Optus at Burswood but having invested $160mill in HBF park so far its highly unlikely. Soccer and union being sht at the moment doesnt help the argument either.

Whats more likely is a new corporate, members and media west stand, the south stand has been designed to future add in another 1500 seats and a roof so I can see that being done.
North end they'll probably leave as is. Around $150mill and taking capacity up to 25k ish. That's ample size for NRL in Perth for a few years then if it does grow massively they can add in another 3-5k at the North end.
HBF park is well serviced by train line and short walk to main entertainment areas so location is good. Do that and it will be a solid ground, potentially a showcase for sydney suburban tips, of what can be done with a refurb.

Sunk cost fallacy

it should be a new build hbf park looks dated and doesn’t present wa in a good light

a stadium which looks good on tv makes a big difference to perception

it would cost 20 percent of what they spent on the oval stadium that’s a sign of taking rectangular sports properly

tasmania got 1 billion for stadia and their economy and population is tiny compared to wa

 

[Wb1234]

yeh 30km to penrith, 17km to parramatta, 20km to accor, only 4 NRL clubs they could follow in a reasonable distance, geez wont someone think of the poor Blacktown RL fans with no options to follow NRL near by!

I didn’t say they deserved a team

I said they provided lots of nrl players for manly

if you know Sydney you would know Blacktown and manly aren’t exactly close and it’s players neither parra or Penrith scouted

 

[AlwaysGreen]

Stick to your sht joke thread, let the grown ups talk here.

You're a grown up goose.

My sht joke thread is still a thousand times less delusional and moronic than your afl biased drivel.

 

[Perth Red]

Sunk cost fallacy

it should be a new build hbf park looks dated and doesn’t present wa in a good light

a stadium which looks good on tv makes a big difference to perception

it would cost 20 percent of what they spent on the oval stadium that’s a sign of taking rectangular sports properly

tasmania got 1 billion for stadia and their economy and population is tiny compared to wa

Its not that there isnt the money, we've had $15billion of surplus in last 3 years, its more the question of having sunk $160mill into HBF park the backlash of walking away from that would be too great I feel.

With a new west stand and the south stand extended and roofed it will present just fine on tv, its actually got an amazing backdrop of the sunsetting over the skyscrapers of the CBD for those pretty camera shots.

As I said I'd love a new commbank at Burswood but being realistic it is highly unlikely.

HBF park ticks two/three of the 5 boxes of what makes a good NRL stadium, next phase development will tick the rest.

1. Public transport links
2. Walking distance to bars and restaurants
3. Food and toilet facilities
4. Corporate boxes
5. Capacity

 

[Perth Red]

You're a grown up goose.

My sht joke thread is still a thousand times less delusional and moronic than your afl biased drivel.

Dont make me send you to bed with no supper, manchild

 

[AlwaysGreen]

Its not that there isnt the money, we've had $15billion of surplus in last 3 years, its more the question of having sunk $160mill into HBF park the backlash of walking away from that would be too great I feel.

With a new west stand and the south stand extended and roofed it will present just fine on tv, its actually got an amazing backdrop of the sunsetting over the skyscrapers of the CBD for those pretty camera shots.

As I said I'd love a new commbank at Burswood but being realistic it is highly unlikely.

HBF park ticks two/three of the 5 boxes of what makes a good NRL stadium, next phase development will tick the rest.

1. Public transport links
2. Walking distance to bars and restaurants
3. Food and toilet facilities
4. Corporate boxes
5. Capacity

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Having no team is a bit of a handicap

 

[Pneuma]

Having no team is a bit of a handicap

Bless
Pokie dens
Sock puppet
Pistol pete
Lol

that’s his handicap

 

[Wb1234]

Its not that there isnt the money, we've had $15billion of surplus in last 3 years, its more the question of having sunk $160mill into HBF park the backlash of walking away from that would be too great I feel.

With a new west stand and the south stand extended and roofed it will present just fine on tv, its actually got an amazing backdrop of the sunsetting over the skyscrapers of the CBD for those pretty camera shots.

As I said I'd love a new commbank at Burswood but being realistic it is highly unlikely.

HBF park ticks two/three of the 5 boxes of what makes a good NRL stadium, next phase development will tick the rest.

1. Public transport links
2. Walking distance to bars and restaurants
3. Food and toilet facilities
4. Corporate boxes
5. Capacity

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Tasmanian stadiums were perfectly fine for an afl team

vlandys has seen what afl got for a tiny state

the 160 million upgrade wasn’t for an nrl team so what was spent in the past isn’t that relevant

if they are going to spend 200 million on hbf then it makes more sense to spend 500 to 600 million on something state of the art

 

[greenBV4]

Sell off hbf and recoup the recent upgrade cost in land sale

Build a 30k state of the art next to optus and replicate an aami/mcg sfs/sfs scenario.
NRL aside a dedicated sporting precinct is a major bonus for the city as a whole

On that note homebush should of also been sold off and the SFS built to be the 80k premier venue

 

[Wb1234]

Sell off hbf and recoup the recent upgrade cost in land sale

Build a 30k state of the art next to optus and replicate an aami/mcg sfs/sfs scenario.
NRL aside a dedicated sporting precinct is a major bonus for the city as a whole

On that note homebush should of also been sold off and the SFS built to be the 80k premier venue

When the storm played at Olympic park it was so embarrassing

their new stadium is perfect

and yeh homebush should be blown up it’s useless

 

[Pippen94]

yeh 30km to penrith, 17km to parramatta, 20km to accor, only 4 NRL clubs they could follow in a reasonable distance, geez wont someone think of the poor Blacktown RL fans with no options to follow NRL near by!

What's this stupid argument?! More ppl follow the premier from outside of england. Ppl in Perth have 17 teams to choose from if they want yo follow a club

 

[Pippen94]

Having seen the 2 year $1/2mil commitment by WA govt to developing a bid Im actually starting to be more convinced now that the other stuff is smoke and mirrors for a longer term 20 team strategy and that the NRL and WA Govt have got an under the table agreement in place. I doubt the Govt would be chucking that sort of money at it given the 10 year history of Perth being talked up then ignored by the NRL if it wasn't already decided.
Probably only question left is will it be a Cumins led Pirates or a NS led Bears club that gets the Govt support behind them. (I cant see them coming together)

They not. Wa government can maybe give that 90's styled ground over a fresh coat of paint but that's it. Long term financial support is what is needed. If twiggy ever renounced rugby

 

[greenBV4]

When the storm played at Olympic park it was so embarrassing

their new stadium is perfect

and yeh homebush should be blown up it’s useless

You want an expansion side in a new big city to look professional in a modern all seater stadium - that's your point of difference to the traditional suburban and regional clubs

Especially if you're trying to get an afl fan in perth interested in nrl, dragging them from optus out to bitsa with some lipstick stadium like hbf (it's a decent enough stadium on paper sure, but nothing special), straight away their first impression of the sport will be its shit, compared to if it's to the shiny new boutique stadium next to the one they are already used to going to

 

[greenBV4]

If twiggy ever renounced rugby

If super rugby ever collapses before perth gets a team the nrl should be whispering in his ear to bring the force over to the NRL - forget converting players let's convert a whole club lol

 

[Raiders_Premiers]

What ever happened to the second phase of the Perth Oval redevelopment?

 

[Perth Red]

Tasmanian stadiums were perfectly fine for an afl team

vlandys has seen what afl got for a tiny state

the 160 million upgrade wasn’t for an nrl team so what was spent in the past isn’t that relevant

if they are going to spend 200 million on hbf then it makes more sense to spend 500 to 600 million on something state of the art

No they werent, they didnt provide the cover, capacity nor the corporate facilities expected of a modern stadium to make a club financially sustainable. Just like HBF park isn't fine now, but it would be with a new west stand and a finished south stand.

Knowing how much things cost in Perth you'd be looking at $400-500mill to build a 30k stadium at Burswood, plus as said writing off $160mill already invested.

Thats not how Govts think, even with a big wad of cash in their back pocket, if they can get away with $150mill on HBF or $500mill on a new stadium then I think we can be confident which way they will swing. It wont be $200mill on HBF park. It'll be around $30 mill on the South stand and around $100-120mill on the West stand

The only thing going in favour of possibility of a new Perth stadium is the lease on HBF park. The WA govt pays North Perth council around $1mill a year for the use of the stadium (the land is actually owned by the council). A 25 year lease was taken out in 2011 so will have only about 9/10 years left when a new team starts. If WA govt want to keep paying a lease or if they'd prefer to outright own the facility may be in the favour of a new stadium.

Beyond that its likely it will be a HBF upgrade regardless of what Tasmania managed to achieve.

 

[Perth Red]

Sell off hbf and recoup the recent upgrade cost in land sale

Build a 30k state of the art next to optus and replicate an aami/mcg sfs/sfs scenario.
NRL aside a dedicated sporting precinct is a major bonus for the city as a whole

On that note homebush should of also been sold off and the SFS built to be the 80k premier venue

State govt doesnt own it, its council owned

 

[Perth Red]

What ever happened to the second phase of the Perth Oval redevelopment?

Im not sure what you mean? HBf park had a major redevelopment in 2011 and a couple of minor ones since wit the one this year costing $35mill to put in LED lighting, new electrics and a few other things. There has never been a promise of another phase of development and it wont happen until Perth gets an NRL team. HBF park is fine as it is for second tier sports like Soccer and Union.

 

[Wb1234]

No they werent, they didnt provide the cover, capacity nor the corporate facilities expected of a modern stadium to make a club financially sustainable. Just like HBF park isn't fine now, but it would be with a new west stand and a finished south stand.

Knowing how much things cost in Perth you'd be looking at $400-500mill to build a 30k stadium at Burswood, plus as said writing off $160mill already invested.

Thats not how Govts think, even with a big wad of cash in their back pocket, if they can get away with $150mill on HBF or $500mill on a new stadium then I think we can be confident which way they will swing. It wont be $200mill on HBF park. It'll be around $30 mill on the South stand and around $100-120mill on the West stand

The only thing going in favour of possibility of a new Perth stadium is the lease on HBF park. The WA govt pays North Perth council around $1mill a year for the use of the stadium (the land is actually owned by the council). A 25 year lease was taken out in 2011 so will have only about 9/10 years left when a new team starts. If WA govt want to keep paying a lease or if they'd prefer to outright own the facility may be in the favour of a new stadium.

Beyond that its likely it will be a HBF upgrade regardless of what Tasmania managed to achieve.

300 million extra for a modern stadium when they make billions in surpluses … it’s a rounding error

so a small state can do better than wa? I don’t buy it

let’s see what the arlc ask for

if he’s a good leader he will demand a new build

and it’s actually better for wa when eastern states are watching and the stadium isn’t a tarted up suburban ground