18th club, whose next?

[Centy Coast]

One million percent this

reward clubs who produce juniors via generous salary cap exemptions and if forces more clubs to do it

Problem is not all things are equal. So in reality roosters are in an area with few jnr rl clubs, where as penrith is an area with lots of jnr rl clubs. Roosters can’t just magic up kids that want to play rl.

and what are you defining as a local jnr? Take sharks, people keep saying how important they are as a big jnr area. In reality sharks only have four players in their 36 man squad that played for a local jnr club.

or are saying a jnr is a player that has come through from u19’s In sg ball or qrl equivalent? In which case you might be surprised when you look at which clubs debut into the nrl the most players.

The Roosters have been up here on the Central Coast now for over 10 years, only one local player young halfback Sandon Smith has come through their system.
A local junior is a player who has come from that clubs local suburbs like say the Trbojevic brothers from the Mona Vale club with Manly, Cameron Murray from the Mascot Jets and Alex Johnston with the La Perouse Panthers both in the South Sydney juniors or players like Nathan Cleary, Jerome Luai, Stephen Crichton, Brian To’o etc with Penrith.

 

[Perth Red]

The Roosters have been up here on the Central Coast now for over 10 years, only one local player young halfback Sandon Smith has come through their system.
A local junior is a player who has come from that clubs local suburbs like say the Trbojevic brothers from the Mona Vale club with Manly or players like Nathan Cleary, Jerome Luai, Stephen Crichton, Brian To’o etc with Penrith.

In that case most clubs have very few 'local jnrs'.

 

[Wb1234]

In that case most clubs have very few 'local jnrs'.

Panthers

true rugby league club

local kids who grew up in the area, look up to the panthers players as their heroes and are proud to represent that area

 

[Wb1234]

top of the list, high on the table, cant rule it out, genuine consideration.... and so it goes.
Where's the love for NZ2? Come on Pete there's a sound bite to be had there.

After his recent comments about an origin game in nz and wanting to keep up the momentum there I would be crapping if I were a Perth fan

 

[Centy Coast]

In that case most clubs have very few 'local jnrs'.

And that’s why they should be rewarded under the salary cap because it is a big deal.

 

[Perth Red]

Panthers

true rugby league club

local kids who grew up in the area, look up to the panthers players as their heroes and are proud to represent that area

1 out of 17 lol
yeh until a club offers them more money~!

 

[Wb1234]

1 out of 17 lol
yeh until a club offers them more money~!

Yeh and they’ve all regretted it

if the panthers got genuine cap dispensation as we’ve discussed they would kept at least kikau and Crichton if not Burton

 

[Perth Red]

And that’s why they should be rewarded under the salary cap because it is a big deal.

how can you reward a club purely based on their location? Its not like the Penrith Panthers are doing anything to get 10 year olds playing the game anymore than any other club. They are just lucky to be in a socio- economic area that leans to RL, that attracts PI'ers through cheap housing and that has plenty of kids playing the game. Thats not on the Panthers, who dont spend one cent on Jnr RL, its on luck of geographic location.

Ive got no problem rewarding clubs who develop U16's to First grade debut in their own elite pathway systems.

 

[Perth Red]

Yeh and they’ve all regretted it

if the panthers got genuine cap dispensation as we’ve discussed they would kept at least kikau and Crichton if not Burton

eh? Kikau is a Jnr product of Fiji union and North Queensland lol He didnt sign for the panthers until he was 20!

Burton is a Dubbo Jnr which is not a penrith jnr club area is it?

I think you need to rethink your argument here.

 

[Centy Coast]

Panthers

true rugby league club

local kids who grew up in the area, look up to the panthers players as their heroes and are proud to represent that area

It’s just a shame to see so many of these local players forced out of Penrith because of salary cap restrictions, I know that they can’t keep everybody but they shouldn’t have to pay top dollar for these players either. There are no rewards for grassroots development. The NRL is a joke. The salary cap is a bigger joke.

 

[Perth Red]

It’s just a shame to see so many of these local players forced out of Penrith because of salary cap restrictions, I know that they can’t keep everybody but they shouldn’t have to pay top dollar for these players either. There are no rewards for grassroots development. The NRL is a joke. The salary cap is a bigger joke.

'Local'? Like Kikau? lol

 

[Wb1234]

how can you reward a club purely based on their location? Its not like the Penrith Panthers are doing anything to get 10 year olds playing the game anymore than any other club. They are just lucky to be in a socio- economic area that leans to RL, that attracts PI'ers through cheap housing and that has plenty of kids playing the game. Thats not on the Panthers, who dont spend one cent on Jnr RL, its on luck of geographic location.

Ive got no problem rewarding clubs who develop U16's to First grade debut in their own elite pathway systems.

Storm have the whole of Victoria to recruit from lmao

panthers spend millons on juniors every year lmao

It’s just a shame to see so many of these local players forced out of Penrith because of salary cap restrictions, I know that they can’t keep everybody but they shouldn’t have to pay top dollar for these players either. There are no rewards for grassroots development. The NRL is a joke. The salary cap is a bigger joke.

yep

you get a grubby club like the roosters who pay lip service to developing juniors then just buy players like Brandon smith and the pommie winger from Newcastle to try and win the comp

Penrith get little rewards for all that work

luckily the dogs and tigers have struggled with the Penrith players they’ve signed

 

[Centy Coast]

how can you reward a club purely based on their location? Its not like the Penrith Panthers are doing anything to get 10 year olds playing the game anymore than any other club. They are just lucky to be in a socio- economic area that leans to RL, that attracts PI'ers through cheap housing and that has plenty of kids playing the game. Thats not on the Panthers, who dont spend one cent on Jnr RL, its on luck of geographic location.

Ive got no problem rewarding clubs who develop U16's to First grade debut in their own elite pathway systems.

You’ve got to start somewhere, otherwise you are just going to have clubs like the Roosters and the Bulldogs who just keep buying player after player after player. Is that the right thing to do ?.
I’ve known Nicho Hynes, the Saifiti brothers, Tommy Trbojevic, Braddy Best, Scotty Drinkwater, Jack Cogger, Connor Watson since U8’s and you could see that they had the potential to make it way before they were in any of these pathways programs.
I’ve seen many kids miss out as well, due to injuries, politics etc.

 

[AlwaysGreen]

Someone is getting a little bit tetchy.

 

[Perth Red]

Storm have the whole of Victoria to recruit from lmao

panthers spend millons on juniors every year lmao

yep

you get a grubby club like the roosters who pay lip service to developing juniors then just buy players like Brandon smith and the pommie winger from Newcastle to try and win the comp

Penrith get little rewards for all that work

luckily the dogs and tigers have struggled with the Penrith players they’ve signed

RL has largely ignored growing the game in Victoria, bit like saying you can pick as much fruit as you like from the whole of the Gobi desert. If the NRL ever got serious about growing grassroots RL in the State, then yes we would see Storm able to bring those kids into their very successful elite pathway systems.

Nope, Panthers spend nothing on Jnr RL outside of their elite pathway teams.

Roosters have 18 players come through their reserve grade to debut in NRL.

Penrith have won comps based on their development work. Hardly no reward is it? Every successful club gets raped by other clubs, such is the nature of a salary capped competition.

 

[Wb1234]

RL has largely ignored growing the game in Victoria, bit like saying you can pick as much fruit as you like from the whole of the Gobi desert. If the NRL ever got serious about growing grassroots RL in the State, then yes we would see Storm able to bring those kids into their very successful elite pathway systems.

Nope, Panthers spend nothing on Jnr RL outside of their elite pathway teams.

Roosters have 18 players come through their reserve grade to debut in NRL.

Penrith have won comps based on their development work. Hardly no reward is it? Every successful club gets raped by other clubs, such is the nature of a salary capped competition.

Not if the developing clubs get concessions it’s lessened and it forces All the other clubs to follow

when I say panthers soend millions on juniors I mean their lc. They are one and the same

 

[Wb1234]

12ft

17 million pa on juniors lol

 

[Perth Red]

You’ve got to start somewhere, otherwise you are just going to have clubs like the Roosters and the Bulldogs who just keep buying player after player after player. Is that the right thing to do ?.
I’ve known Nicho Hynes, the Saifiti brothers, Tommy Trbojevic, Braddy Best, Scotty Drinkwater, Jack Cogger, Connor Watson since U8’s and you could see that they had the potential to make it way before they were in any of these pathways programs.
I’ve seen many kids miss out as well, due to injuries, politics etc.

Like I said I’d support cap dispensation for players produced by the club from their u19’s Program (argument for clubs to also have an u17 side imo). Below that jnr rl should be the responsibility of the state body.

 

[Perth Red]

Not if the developing clubs get concessions it’s lessened and it forces All the other clubs to follow

when I say panthers soend millions on juniors I mean their lc. They are one and the same

mate you wanted them to keep kikau, despite the fact he is a union and nq jnr lol I hope you’re not in charge of determining who gets this dispensation!

Still nope. The panthers nrl or LC don’t put one cent of cash into grassroots jnr rl in the region.

 

[Perth Red]

12ft

17 million pa on juniors lol

That’s bs, they spend on their elite pathway teams same as every nrl club. They spend no cash on grassroots jnr rl in the region

There was an article last year with panthers admitting They spend nothing on grassroots other than in kind support with office space for the local comp management staff.