18th club, whose next?

[Centy Coast]

Not if the developing clubs get concessions it’s lessened and it forces All the other clubs to follow

when I say panthers soend millions on juniors I mean their lc. They are one and the same

100% agree, if all clubs start developing then the player pool will get bigger and bigger and the standard of play will improve.

 

[Perth Red]

if all clubs start developing then the player pool will get bigger and bigger and the standard of play will improve.

All clubs do develop. Name me one club that isnt running elite jnr teams and reserve grade teams?

 

[Wb1234]

That’s bs, they spend on their elite pathway teams same as every nrl club. They spend no cash on grassroots jnr rl in the region

There was an article last year with panthers admitting They spend nothing on grassroots other than in kind support with office space for the local comp management staff.

Trust me bro

100% agree, if all clubs start developing then the player pool will get bigger and bigger and the standard of play will improve.

the current system provides no incentives to develop

rather than the nrl spending millions trying to get junior numbers up give the clubs an incentive to do it and they will produce more players than they do now

 

[Centy Coast]

All clubs do develop. Name me one club that isnt running elite jnr teams and reserve grade teams?

Junior elite programs are not the same as local junior competitions.

 

[Canard]

It's 100% incumbent on the governing body to look after junior development.

But because historically they've been so poor at this, Sydney fans see that as a club responsibility. I mean it's f**king laughable that people see the Storm as being responsible for setting up an entire system in Victoria.

Given the ARLC has taken even more money away from the graasroots, it's only going to get worse.

 

[Perth Red]

Trust me bro

the current system provides no incentives to develop

rather than the nrl spending millions trying to get junior numbers up give the clubs an incentive to do it and they will produce more players than they do now

Clubs aren’t responsible for getting Kids playing rl, beyond the work they can do promoting the game and getting kids watching them. it’s the arlc and state bodies job to increase participation. It’s literally in their mandates,

it’s nrl clubs job to scout the best of those kids and have elite programs to turn them into first graders. Again every club has pathways, every club spends on those pathways and every club is producing nrl players every year.

 

[Perth Red]

Junior elite programs are not the same as local junior competitions.

I know, that’s my point! getting 6 year olds playing the game in larger numbers isn’t an nrl clubs job. Taking the best 16 year old RL players from anywhere in the world and turning them into quality first graders is.

 

[Perth Red]

It's 100% incumbent on the governing body to look after junior development.

But because historically they've been so poor at this, Sydney fans see that as a club responsibility. I mean it's f**king laughable that people see the Storm as being responsible for setting up an entire system in Victoria.

Given the ARLC has taken even more money away from the graasroots, it's only going to get worse.

That people cant see that astounds me!
yep stripping $20mill a year plus out of grassroots certainly isn’t going to help player depth is it?

 

[Centy Coast]

All clubs do develop. Name me one club that isnt running elite jnr teams and reserve grade teams?

Why do you think Penrith are so strong in Harold Matt’s, S.G.Ball, Jersey Flegg etc.
Why do you think Newcastle, Parramatta and Illawarra are strong in these junior competitions.
It’s because of numbers from their junior competitions, not because of elite junior pathways programs.

 

[Wb1234]

Clubs aren’t responsible for getting Kids playing rl, beyond the work they can do promoting the game and getting kids watching them. it’s the arlc and state bodies job to increase participation. It’s literally in their mandates,

it’s nrl clubs job to scout the best of those kids and have elite programs to turn them into first graders. Again every club has pathways, every club spends on those pathways and every club is producing nrl players every year.

Yes they can

except the wasteland states every other club has tonnes of juniors in its area

and if not they can look to places like central coast

storm can look at png fiji or mars lol

 

[Centy Coast]

I know, that’s my point! getting 6 year olds playing the game in larger numbers isn’t an nrl clubs job. Taking the best 16 year old RL players from anywhere in the world and turning them into quality first graders is.

You just don’t get it do you, if you have more junior teams/players in your local competitions your have a bigger base overall to draw upon for junior reps and the more likely you may have a few NRL players emerge from this in future years.

 

[Perth Red]

Why do you think Penrith are so strong in Harold Matt’s, S.G.Ball, Jersey Flegg etc.
Why do you think Newcastle, Parramatta and Illawarra are strong in these junior competitions.
It’s because of numbers from their junior competitions, not because of elite junior pathways programs.

Yep and thats by pure chance that they are based in a region that has the right demographics to make rl popular and that attracts lots of kiwis and islanders to the area. It’s not from something the nrl club is doing to get kids playing the game.

But it also from having good pathways and I’ve no doubt that some clubs spend more time and money on their elite pathways. If you’re a club with either a pokie den or a successful football club generating big revenue you can obviously spend more on your pathway programs.
having said that look at the dogs and tigers as examples. Both large rl jnr areas, both have big pokie dens backing them, neither seem capable of developing consistently good first graders And constantly looking to sign from other clubs For success.

 

[Wb1234]

You just don’t get it do you, if you have more junior teams/players in your local competitions your have a bigger base overall to draw upon for junior reps and the more likely you may have a few NRL players emerge from this in future years.

These dopes don’t get it

they see the afl model and want to copy it thinking that approach would work for rugby league

 

[Perth Red]

You just don’t get it do you, if you have more junior teams/players in your local competitions your have a bigger base overall to draw upon for junior reps and the more likely you may have a few NRL players emerge from this in future years.

I do get it, but it’s not the nrl clubs to grow participation rates in kids, that’s the arlc and state bodies job.

 

[Wb1234]

Yep and thats by pure chance that they are based in a region that has the right demographics to make rl popular and that attracts lots of kiwis and islanders to the area. It’s not from something the nrl club is doing to get kids playing the game.

But it also from having good pathways and I’ve no doubt that some clubs spend more time and money on their elite pathways. If you’re a club with either a pokie den or a successful football club generating big revenue you can obviously spend more on your pathway programs.
having said that look at the dogs and tigers as examples. Both large rl jnr areas, both have big pokie dens backing them, neither seem capable of developing consistently good first graders And constantly looking to sign from other clubs For success.

Dogs have signed loads of junior players from other areas and put into their pathways

that’s not what we are talking about as the idea

it’s better than nothing

 

[Perth Red]

These dopes don’t get it

they see the afl model and want to copy it thinking that approach would work for rugby league

There is no professional sport where the professional clubs have sole responsibility for jnr participation rates lol

 

[Wb1234]

There is no professional sport where the professional clubs have sole responsibility for jnr participation rates lol

Sydney clubs produce juniors from their nurseries as do qld cubs Canberra and nz

and with no draft they keep them

afl has that stupid draft so there’s little point clubs trying to develop players

 

[Perth Red]

Sydney clubs produce juniors fro m their nurseries as so qld cubs camberra and nz

and with no draft they keep them

afl has that stupid draft so there’s little point clubs trying to develop players

That’s got nothing to do with the argument lol no one is arguing nrl clubs shouldn’t be responsible for developing first graders,

the argument is should jnr RL participation rates be the responsibility of nrl clubs, or the arlc and state bodies. No sport in the world entrusts jnr participation rates to the professional top tier clubs in that sport lol

nrl clubs job is to take the very best kids and turn them into competent first graders. Be it if that kid comes from Cronulla, canberra, Wellington or perth.

nrl clubs can certainly support the state bodies and it’s great to see the storm finally form a serious partnership with nrlvic to help them grow participation by raising the games profile, free memberships for registered players, players attending local clubs etc. that’s what nrl clubs responsibility is. The rest is the games grassroots bodies.

 

[Wb1234]

That’s got nothing to do with the argument lol no one is arguing nrl clubs shouldn’t be responsible for developing first graders,

the argument is should jnr RL participation rates be the responsibility of nrl clubs, or the arlc and state bodies. No sport in the world entrusts jnr participation rates to the professional top tier clubs in that sport lol

nrl clubs job is to take the very best kids and turn them into competent first graders. Be it if that kid comes from Cronulla, canberra, Wellington or perth.

nrl clubs can certainly support the state bodies and it’s great to see the storm finally form a serious partnership with nrlvic to help them grow participation by raising the games profile, free memberships for registered players, players attending local clubs etc. that’s what nrl clubs responsibility is. The rest is the games grassroots bodies.

I talking about little kids up to first grade

the only place it doesn’t work is places like victoria or wa but let’s be honest the nrl doesn’t need the few nrl players they can produce anyway

 

[Perth Red]

I talking about little kids up to first grade

the only place it doesn’t work is places like victoria or wa but let’s be honest the nrl doesn’t need the few nrl players they can produce anyway

The flaw in your thinking, amongst many, is what about areas who don’t have an nrl club? That’s why the state bodies are responsible for jnr particpation and not the nrl clubs. A little kid playing rl in perth, rockhampton, Blacktown or Shepparton are all equally valuable to the game.