18th club, whose next?

[mongoose]

FMD I can’t believe the Perth wannabes can’t grasp this simple concept

in rugby league states clubs end up with the best of the best though natural selection of a large pool of players

Perth are getting the dregs behind afl

yeah because islanders all flock to play AFL... surely WA has athletes more suited to League and Union, there must be some islanders there

 

[Wb1234]

yeah because islanders all flock to play AFL... surely WA has athletes more suited to League and Union, there must be some islanders there

Force are killing it with their juniors

 

[Iamback]

Well as soon as you suggest the junior pathways need investment you get screamed at about handouts.
How do you fill those steps without an NRL club present or the ARLC funding it?

The issue with handouts is how do you wind them back?

as for how to fund, What do force do to get and retain players? ARU is broke so I'd tip RL is putting more in than RU is

 

[mongoose]

Force are killing it with their juniors

the whole country is killing it with RU juniors lol

 

[blue bags]

Hunter Mariners.

Hunter Mariners are Central coast Mariners
Now. Aleague soccer
So 2nd Newcastle team would need brand new name
Newcastle Rebels
Or Newcastle Charger's

 

[Bukowski]

I meant all AFL games featuring the Eagles and Dockers games are broadcast on Ch7 into Perth.

Oh right. Pity that's not right either. Lol, you have no idea.

 

[Bukowski]

I'd like to see a comparison between Hull and Sutherland Shire. I'm betting the latter has more juniors. It definitely draws bigger crowds than Hull KR and has more members.

Glory, heat, force and now hull. All relevant to NRL in Perth. You're literally running out of bullshit to bring up .

 

[Bukowski]

The issue with handouts is how do you wind them back?

as for how to fund, What do force do to get and retain players? ARU is broke so I'd tip RL is putting more in than RU

We probably are. But it's a very minor sport so that wouldn't be surprising.

 

[APPSY]

So the main issue I've seen with the 'debate' of the whole 18th team is the Juniors and funding. Isn't the purpose of expansion to increase the participation of juniors in that area so they can aspire to one day represent their city's team / a team within the sport they play?

With Perth - They definitely do have a consortium ready to fund a bid for an NRL team. They definitely have a set out plan to increase junior participation. They MOST LIKELY have everything ready to go in alignment with the ARLC's guidelines regarding expansion. Just depends on how hard they push.

PNG - have the backing of the Aus government. Yet, as a realist, I do not think they should be the next team. Would love to see an official team do not get me wrong, but I just do not think it is the right way to go as of this moment. Maybe within a decade ?

NZ2 - Great potential as a bid, and with RU having issues in Aus right now (and to an extent, NZ too with dwindling crowds), along with the increased popularity of the Warriors right now, it would make sense to introduce. How they do it though is the biggest hurdle they will face, along with the location of the team in NZ.

Brisbane3 - Similar case to the Perth Bid, practically have everything ready to go and are pushing hard. Just whether or not they get the green light.


Personal preference for side 18 is Perth. How can we call ourselves a NATIONAL comp when we occupy the East only? Invest in the West, increase participation, create junior pathways, etc. To me, it seems like a no brainer IF we want to expand and be taking more seriously. It creates a new TV Timeslot for both Perth AND the East Coast, and there is a demand with Origin selling out both times and the recent double header. HOWEVER, the issue they run into is the size of their stadium and just how far their funding will go. They will obviously need to invest in a performance centre (COE, if you will), home training ground, etc. I assume they have all their counter arguments ready to get the ball rolling.

At this point in time, I only REALISTICALLY can see Perth or Brisbane 3 working as team 18. The other two, particularly the PNG bid, need to be treated more carefully and have everything financially be sound and prepared. But knowing the NRL (and to an extent the board of the ARLC), they're most likely going to take the $200 million bait from the Gov and approve the PNG bid which will either set the game back 20 years OR the risk will pay off and see the game grow more than it already has.



If the aim is 20 teams, It should go:
18 - Perth
19 - Brisbane 3
20 - NZ 2

If we are to expand to 22 though in the future, bring in Adelaide again and the PNG team.

 

[Perth Red]

I'd like to see a comparison between Hull and Sutherland Shire. I'm betting the latter has more juniors. It definitely draws bigger crowds than Hull KR and has more members.

wanna bet that Hull, half the size of the Sutherland shire, has bigger crowds and has produced more int rugby league players than Cronulla?

 

[Perth Red]

You do know that they draw players from around the state.
Like WA would, only a more realistic travel distance and in far far far greater numbers, making it actually viable to bring through the talent.

Let's play a game :
your scout goes as far as Geraldton ( around 5 hours drive) in all directions.
The Cronulla scout does the same...

By how many juniors does the Cronulla scout win by ??
100,000 ? Maybe more?

The amount of juniors around Perth are insignificant to produce NRL quality players. By the numbers you have enough to produce 1 or 2 players.
If Perth was self sustainable, it's an entire squad (30 players) west Australia would need to be producing.

30 × what you have now.
You're so far behind the amount of juniors required in baffles my that you'd want to debate this.

That’s totally different to saying WA doesn’t have jnrs in its region.it’s as nonsensica ,as saying well wa will Have scouts on east coast and nz so count them all in our jnr catchment! I thought your argument was what an nrl club in its region is responsible for?

i mean if we are talking about signing players developed or growing up in other clubs regions then it really doesn’t matter how many jnrs are in wa and we are back to the Melbourne argument.

 

[Wb1234]

wanna bet that Hull, half the size of the Sutherland shire, has bigger crowds and has produced more int rugby league players than Cronulla?

Compare the numbers post 1967

hull clubs have close to a hundred years on sharks

 

[Perth Red]

I'd like to see a Perth team, I wouldn't even mind if they were next!
But I'm sick of this rainbows and lollipops bullshit.

An honest argument is that it will cost probably 100 million plus over 30 years before we start to see green shoots but if we don't start now it only pushes the date back. That's the case.

If you want to talk about money- you have none and it'll cost more than you think.
If you want to talk players- well you have none and it'll take longer than you think.
If you want to talk about support once the hype dies down and you're around 10th for 5 years in a row- it'll be the lowest of any club bar none.
If you want to talk about success- it'll be harder than you could possibly imagine.

Reality. Let be honest.
Let's get a Perth team but if you want to bullshit- you'll go to the back of the line.

Thanks Nostradamus. Stay positive lol

 

[Perth Red]

Compare the numbers post 1967

hull clubs have close to a hundred years on sharks

Sure, hull has 21k rl fans attending SL. Sharks have less than 15k

now give me a list of Cronulla shire born and trained internationals and I’ll give you a list of hull born and trained internationals since 1967

 

[Wb1234]

Sure, hull has 21k rl fans attending SL. Sharks have less than 15k

now give me a list of Cronulla shire born and trained internationals and I’ll give you a list of hull born and trained internationals since 1967

What was hull kr crowds in the champ ? I know they were as low as under 1k at one stage

if you are talking about today then hull kr would be lucky to produce any English internationals

 

[Gobsmacked]

Getting tired of the national sport argument too....
Like it's only an East coast sport.
It's only an East coast population ya dumb arses! 90 percent of our population- our nation- is on the East coast
Is Canberra, Newcastle, Townsville our nation too ?
Or are the dots not f**king wide enough?
No, we need 1 dot right over the other side.. perfect lol

 

[Perth Red]

What was hull kr crowds in the champ ? I know they were as low as under 1k at one stage

if you are talking about today then hull kr would be lucky to produce any English internationals

Third division under 1k, I was one of the die hards! How’s the crowds in Sydney’s third divison comp?
one man and his dog? I we t to a couple of reds games in bundy cup over there , zero people there except me and the two teams lol

 

[Perth Red]

What was hull kr crowds in the champ ? I know they were as low as under 1k at one stage

if you are talking about today then hull kr would be lucky to produce any English internationals

Except for Jez Litten and mikey lewis who are both in the England squad You mean? Lol,clueless

 

[Wb1234]

Getting tired of the national sport argument too....
Like it's only an East coast sport.
It's only an East coast population ya dumb arses! 90 percent of our population- our nation- is on the East coast
Is Canberra, Newcastle, Townsville our nation too ?
Or are the dots not f**king wide enough?
No, we need 1 dot right over the other side.. perfect lol

Agreed

it’s like New Zealand is just air brushed from history

I mean afl is a National sport without a team in the nations capital whilst we are

it seems like Australia only means Sydney Perth Adelaide melboring and Brisbane

 

[Wb1234]

Except for Jez Litten and mikey lewis who are both in the England squad You mean? Lol,clueless

Who ?

that’s why you guys struggle to beat png