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18th club, whose next?

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finally we agree lol. If nrl doesn’t leverage off this opportunity it’s got rocks in its head. They should put the pressure on publicly like afl did in tassie. Give us A,B and C and you’ll get a club. If Govt say no then we’ll know who to blame.

how many clubs are avg’ing more than hbf current capacity? We’ve got shark, manly,tiger and dragons playing in real dumps, dolphins in a 10k stadium. games in shthole country town parks, Yet you have a problem with hbf lol?

I'm not against Perth altogether. If I was running the ship then the next three teams would be Brisbane 3, NZ2 and Perth.

I'd include a Lae-based team in QRL U-16 to Q-Cup level. It would be cheaper to fund two Q-Cup teams in PNG than throw $20m on an NRL team.

If Albo and V'landys go ahead with the Pasifika model then they should look at including a Lae-based team in the QRL competitions.

Dolphins shouldn't be playing at Dolphin Oval. It's too small and not NRL standard.
 

Perth Red

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Which NRL games draw an average view ship of 110k in Perth?

The regular season games I've seen draw about 10k to 15k. That's not too bad considering they're screened at a 6pm Thurs-Sat AWST. We don't know how many watch on Foxtel, unfortunately.

Between Foxtel and Ch9, I'd imagine a Perth-based team would only benefit Foxtel. If the club plays its home games at 6pm Sun and 9.30pm Sat AWST then that limits the amount of free to air coverage they'll get. Sponsors will pay more for a team that's on Ch9 regularly.

3,000 males and 1,000 females playing the game in WA
Grand final
 
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Why opening up new Australian markets is so important

Most Watched #NRL 2023 (FTA/Fox/Str)
Storm 21m
Broncos 19m
Roosters 19m
Panthers 19m
Rabbitohs 18m
Eels 17m
Cowboys 16m
SEagles 16m
Sharks 16m
Dolphins 16m
Raiders 15m
Knights 15m
Dragons 14m
Tigers 13m
Bulldogs 12m
Warriors 12m (AU) Titans 11m


Storm are only at 21m because they're successful on the field and filled the void in SEQ that was created when the Crushers and Chargers were cut. That number will drop over the next 10 years. They've not got competition from the Dolphins. If they end up struggling like the Titans then their ratings will nosedive.
 

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finally we agree lol. If nrl doesn’t leverage off this opportunity it’s got rocks in its head. They should put the pressure on publicly like afl did in tassie. Give us A,B and C and you’ll get a club. If Govt say no then we’ll know who to blame.

how many clubs are avg’ing more than hbf current capacity? We’ve got shark, manly,tiger and dragons playing in real dumps, dolphins in a 10k stadium. games in shthole country town parks, Yet you have a problem with hbf lol?
I'd probably warn against going that far, but the NRL should definitely be demanding significant upgrades to HBF, funding for a state of the art COE, and increased funding for grassroots and juniors for a start.

BTW, you can add Bruce to the list of dumps worse than HBF.
 

Wb1234

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The Melbourne Storm experiment has limited the NRL's expansion options for decades. The club's creation was on the back of the game losing teams in Brisbane, Newcastle and Perth. Gold Coast was then axed a year or two later. Sydney lost a few teams. It led to a void in SEQ. Storm benefitted from this void by siphoning the best juniors -- with the aid of News Ltd's money -- and attracting bandwagon supporters from SEQ. The club had to spend money it didn't have to sustain onfield success. The result of their sustained on field success -- which came at a cost of extra $100m over 20 years than what all clubs bar Brisbane spent -- an active fanbase of 16k in Melbourne.

Now they're at risk of losing support and juniors from SEQ because we've got the Dolphins and Titans.

Adding Perth will potentially set the Melbourne Storm up for terminal decline. Perth will raid the same junior competitions in Queensland, NSW and NZ. The only way Perth will draw an active fanbase of 16k is through sustained onfield success. It's the model the Perth Wildcats have used for 30 years. The Force and Glory draw similar attendances to the Western Reds in 96 and 97 because they've not had sustained onfield success.

There's just not enough high quality juniors in the game's heartland to keep the Melbourne Storm and a Perth-based team in the top 4 every year.
Then there is not enough juniors for any expansion.

It's absurd thinking that the only way to unlock more juniors the top down approach of plonking a NRL team in an area, whether that Perth, Port Moresby, Wellington or Inala.

It's absurd to suggest that juniors will only play for a team that within 500m of their childhood home.

It's absurd to say that the A-League and Union struggle in Perth so will league, they f**king struggle everywhere.

It's absurd to suggest that we should only expand to somewhere that is RL stronghold.

It's just as absurd as @Perth Red claiming a WA team will get 20k+ as it is trying to use 1996 (27 years ago) as evidence of Perth not
 

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It'll be interesting to see how much money Cook is willing to spend on a high performance training centre and a rebuild of Perth Rectangular Stadium. If he doesn't provide a stadium to match the quality of Robina Stadium, North Queensland Stadium, Lang Park, Melbourne Rectangular Stadium, SFS and Parramatta Stadium then the bid should be thrown out. FIFA didn't want to play quarter-finals of the women's soccer at a dump like Perth Rectangular Stadium. Neither should the NRL.

WA Gov has money and are only interested in a team to generate revenue from tourism. V'landys needs to be smart and get something in return to the game. Perth won't generate much in the way of players. It provides f**k all value to the broadcast rights as the ratings for Perth are shit. A Perth-based team will struggle to generate game day revenue at a dump like Perth Rectangular Stadium.
So NQ, Melbourne, Gold Coast didn't have, nor require state of the art stadiums when they were admitted but Perth will?

Seems like you've attached a bullshit condition on them to justify your death riding.
 

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So the NRL should put a team in Perth so the WA Gov can generate more revenue from tourism and allow you to go to 12 games?

If you're a Queenslander or New South Welshmen living in Perth then you can still follow the game on Kayo/Foxtel. They moved there knowing it's a rusted on fumbleball city.

No need for a team in Perth.
SEQ has 3 NRL teams and 4 in QLD.

No need for a team in QLD then.
 
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No one knows but I’ve said all along there’s around 40k active or semi active fans here so might well be.

Perth is the only Australian city outside of Queensland and NSW that's ready for an NRL team.

For me, Perth would be a good candidate for the 20th licence. It gives the WA Gov time to rebuild Perth Rectangular Stadium and the amenities needed to compete against the big clubs. Let the NRL consolidate underserviced areas with the 18th and 19th licences. The NRL can take Origin and club games over to Perth in the meantime to maintain interest.
 

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Will Ch9 cover their first game?

With daylight savings in NSW it would force Perth to play at 1pm Sunday AWST. There's no way they can play their first game away from home.
Ch9 might not have the rights then! Who knows what the time slots might be for next tv deal. If ch9/Stan or ch10/paramount win it then they may well mix things up given they will have fta and ptv. I reckon you play it at 6pm perth Saturday night against broncos pr souths it still will rate well on east coast for the novelty On fta,
 
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Ch9 might not have the rights then! Who knows what the time slots might be for next tv deal. If ch9/Stan or ch10/paramount win it then they may well mix things up given they will have fta and ptv. I reckon you play it at 6pm perth Saturday night against broncos pr souths it still will rate well on east coast for the novelty On fta,

If Ch9 get the rights to all nine games then they might choose a Perth-based team to draw more subscribers to STAN. They would then have the rights to RU and NRL. It would be great for people in Perth who follow both codes and make STAN Sport a must have to see the Force and Pirates. If the pay TV rights stay with Foxtel then a Perth team is useless to Ch9.

I cannot see the NRL on Ch10/Paramount+. None of the three main codes want anything to do with them. Their audience share is low and they don't have a stake in the print media. The fear is going with them will lead to News Ltd and Ch9's print publications refusing to cover RL.

Ch7 have fumbleball and cricket. That rules them out.
 

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