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18th club, whose next?

blue bags

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Go where the population. FANS Juniors. Growth area's are
And where the stadiums are
Newcastle could handle a 2nd team
They are rugby league crazy in Newcastle and the sorounding town's
The stadium is there
Let's use it every weekend
Build a rivalry
Newcastle Marlins
Or
Hunter maverick's
😊
 

Vee

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Go where the population. FANS Juniors. Growth area's are
And where the stadiums are
Newcastle could handle a 2nd team
They are rugby league crazy in Newcastle and the sorounding town's
The stadium is there
Let's use it every weekend
Build a rivalry
Newcastle Marlins
Or
Hunter maverick's
😊
Hunter Mariners perhaps?
 

Nutz

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Go where the population. FANS Juniors. Growth area's are
And where the stadiums are
Newcastle could handle a 2nd team
They are rugby league crazy in Newcastle and the sorounding town's
The stadium is there
Let's use it every weekend
Build a rivalry
Newcastle Marlins
Or
Hunter maverick's
😊
Remember this oldie Baggers.
Put Newy and the Hunter on the map ha ha

 

The Great Dane

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Things change. You can't predict the future but you still plan ahead. If the NRL doesn't have a clear 20 year mission plan then they're idiots and anyone who argues against having one is an idiot too.
And you could slip on a bar of soap tomorrow. You still make business plans. The population projections are from the ABS. If the Storm aren't selling out MRS in a city of 7 million then they're incompetent.
Nobody said that business plans are a bad idea, or that the NRL shouldn't have one, that's just a ridiculous strawman.

All that I was saying is that an expansion plan that looks 20 years ahead is at best fanciful given the rate at which the landscape changes, and especially considering the NRL's MO and reactionary business practices...

Unless the NRL's organisational structure, values, and attitudes completely changes they'd be forced to redraft their expansion plan every few years in response to market forces. Considering that it'd make sense to work towards a smaller scale, more flexible plan, that's achievable rather than to build a grandiose 20 year plan that will quickly fall apart (likely because of factional infighting), be branded a failure, then be forgotten without replacement. You've gotta learn to walk before you can run.
Sink source dynamics of positive feedback loop capital attraction work at both a micro and macro economic level. The bigger the salary cap and average salary, the more incentive there is for players to switch codes. I hate to break it to you but it's already happening. More and more high school union players in Oceania are picking the NRL over Super Rugby as their professional target because they can make more money there. Rugby union are now having to pay overs to get back talent they originally developed that they could have retained in their own systems if they had been more competitive in market place in the first place. If you don't understand this as a business dynamic then we'll best leave it at that.
That's a lot of words just to ignore the point that was actually being made...

The NRL already more or less has the pick of litter of RU juniors in Australia, so I was talking about the global RU talent market, you know, the only one where there's significant potential for the NRL to access a new talent pool by poaching Union players. The NRL's salary cap is largely irrelevant in that market as there're Union organisations and competitions around the world that are offering similar wages for the players that are worth taking a punt on, without the need for them to take the risk of switching codes.

On average attracting half decent RU talent (i.e. solid professionals or juniors with potential) from e.g. France, South Africa, the British Isles, Argentina, etc, willing to up sticks and move to Australia to play RL would be difficult and expensive. Almost all that might be inclined to consider the move would at least be offered a similarly lucrative contract in their home nation, France, or Japan, without the need to switch codes.

The NRL hasn't really had any success attracting established Super Rugby players, let alone internationals or Union's top talent prospects in NZ or the PI's either. Considering that it seems totally unrealistic to the point of being disconnected from reality to suggest that a program to poach RU players from further afield than the local region could be a reliable source of NRL quality talent.
 
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Canard

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RL did 4 in 1 year.

4 in 10 is far better then that... It won't happen that quickly though.

Junior players are still catching up on missed covid years
And the 1995 expansion was an unmitigated disaster.

The Reds and Crushers were gone in a few short years, the Warriors went broke eventually and the Cowboys were dogshit league worst bad for a decade.

It's an example of expansion happening to quickly with no planning or support.
 

siv

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Did he have anything to back this up or just his guess lol

the twenty teams thing is hardly a long term nrl strategy they’ve been working in for years, it was a Politis suggestion in a chaors meeting at begin of this year, to which we got the usual nrl reply of “worth considering”.
We have had zero official comment from any arlc or nrl official that they are doing anything about going to twenty teams.
Gus seeing 20 teams comes from trying to schedule a draw for 17 teams

He had a strategy of 2 pools of 8 for 14 rounds and 8 cross over rounds

18 teams means 2 pools of 9 or 18 rounds(due to byes) plus 9 cross over rounds - 27 weeks

But planning crossovers instead of 2 byes should allow you to remove 2 crossover rounds - 25 weekends

Go to 20 teams you have 18 rounds no byes plus 10 crossover rounds - 28 weeks
 

siv

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Go where the population. FANS Juniors. Growth area's are
And where the stadiums are
Newcastle could handle a 2nd team
They are rugby league crazy in Newcastle and the sorounding town's
The stadium is there
Let's use it every weekend
Build a rivalry
Newcastle Marlins
Or
Hunter maverick's
😊
That would be Maitland which is like Parramatta to Sydney

Just like the old Newcastle v Coalfields games

Lets not forget Central Coast falls into this category too
 

Iamback

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And the 1995 expansion was an unmitigated disaster.

The Reds and Crushers were gone in a few short years, the Warriors went broke eventually and the Cowboys were dogshit league worst bad for a decade.

It's an example of expansion happening to quickly with no planning or support.

Hard to say where the game would be if Super League didn't come along, The game being cashed up helps with attracting players and allows for better junior coaches.

4 in 10 years is possible although I see it unlikely
 

Canard

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Hard to say where the game would be if Super League didn't come along, The game being cashed up helps with attracting players and allows for better junior coaches.

4 in 10 years is possible although I see it unlikely
It's just crazy arrogance that we would ridicule codes like the AFL for.

We can't get more then 10k to some matches and we are talking about expanding the game by 4 teams??
 

Iamback

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It's just crazy arrogance that we would ridicule codes like the AFL for.

We can't get more then 10k to some matches and we are talking about expanding the game by 4 teams??

If you are looking on the world scale NRL is still top 20 for crowd average. That is with a couple of timeslots made for TV.

AFL uses a different model though, Compare NRL to A League expansion. Both use rich people/Leagues clubs to run their teams
 

mongoose

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To be fair it’s only media and some on here claiming it is a done deal. Nrl has been very silent on it. Given the games history on expansion I’d be amazed if we have twenty clubs by 2033.
i would be amazed if any of the existing clubs would be ok with a 20 team comp so soon, 18 teams sure, because it gets rid of the bye and adds a 9th game but I think it would remain at 18 for quite a while...
 

Iamback

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i would be amazed if any of the existing clubs would be ok with a 20 team comp so soon, 18 teams sure, because it gets rid of the bye and adds a 9th game but I think it would remain at 18 for quite a while...

As long as the clubs are getting an even share of the $ then not sure many will care, afterall it will still be the same amount of games played
 

Canard

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If you are looking on the world scale NRL is still top 20 for crowd average. That is with a couple of timeslots made for TV.

AFL uses a different model though, Compare NRL to A League expansion. Both use rich people/Leagues clubs to run their teams
But A-League expansion is shit, and is slowly killing their league. Its reduced clubs like the Melb Victory from 30k average crowds to 13k.

Or is that the point you are making?
 

siv

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Hard to say where the game would be if Super League didn't come along, The game being cashed up helps with attracting players and allows for better junior coaches.

4 in 10 years is possible although I see it unlikely
The original plan was 18 teams

Auckland was awarded early

Then 3 teams were announced after the whispers of SL

But a lot stems back to the decision by Newcastle to reject joining in 1982. That changed the dynamics of expansion
 

Canard

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4 teams at once was a terrible idea.

It should have been 2 then say 5 seasons later another two (at best)

That 1995 season was some bullshit, some the bottom 4 (GC, Souths, Parra and NQ) won a total of 13 games between them and all conceded more than 30 points a game on average.
 

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