18th club, whose next?

[Wb1234]

afl has been in png for decades, its hardly news lol

So afl see the potential in png even if you don’t

pretty good they’ve stuck with rugby league

 

[Perth Red]

So afl see the potential in png even if you don’t

pretty good they’ve stuck with rugby league

no one ever said there wasnt potential in png. Most of us have a problem with the model and long term viability of whats being proposed in terms of hosting an NRL club.
Could you ever imagine AFL proposing to its clubs they put a club in PNG? lol

weve been pumping millions upon millions into PNG for over a decade, its still no where near being able to sustain an NRL club in reality and is only being considered due to govt flash cash.

 

[Wb1234]

no one ever said there wasnt potential in png. Most of us have a problem with the model and long term viability of whats being proposed in terms of hosting an NRL club.
Could you ever imagine AFL proposing to its clubs they put a club in PNG? lol

weve been pumping millions upon millions into PNG for over a decade, its still no where near being able to sustain an NRL club in reality and is only being considered due to govt flash cash.

Their clubs allowed gws and tasmania into the conp

the two worst expansion teams across any football code and that includes the Perth reds and Adelaide rams

 

[Perth Red]

Their clubs allowed gws and tasmania into the conp

the two worst expansion teams across any football code and that includes the Perth reds and Adelaide rams

And they have a funding and player draft model that supports them long term.

If the NRl is happy to pick up the tab for the next 30 years for PNG when the govt money runs out then great, Im all for it. But that would require some significant philosophical backflip by the NRL and its clubs to achieve that. All we've ever heard from NRL is 'business case has to stack up'. Where's the business case for PNG?

 

[Wb1234]

And they have a funding and player draft model that supports them long term.

If the NRl is happy to pick up the tab for the next 30 years for PNG when the govt money runs out then great, Im all for it. But that would require some significant philosophical backflip by the NRL and its clubs to achieve that. All we've ever heard from NRL is 'business case has to stack up'. Where's the business case for PNG?

Yeh the draft model is the exact opposite of what rugby league should do

player depth is a huge issue for the afl they really can’t support more than 16 but don’t seem to care about their playing standards

Giving your expansion clubs three times what the strong clubs get is just communism

it’s doomed

the Tasmanian afl team will lose close to ten million pa the state can’t support an afl team

gws and suns aren’t viable either

 

[Perth Red]

Yeh the draft model is the exact opposite of what rugby league should do

player depth is a huge issue for the afl they really can’t support more than 16 but don’t seem to care about their playing standards

Giving your expansion clubs three times what the strong clubs get is just communism

it’s doomed

the Tasmanian afl team will lose close to ten million pa the state can’t support an afl team

gws and suns aren’t viable either

Rightly or wrongly they have a model that supports expansion and keeps unviable clubs viable on and off the field until they get established.

How do you think PNG will be viable when govt cash runs out? Oh that's right you think it will last forever lol.

 

[Wb1234]

Rightly or wrongly they have amodel that supports expansion and keeps unviable clubs viable on and off the field.

How do you think PNG will be viable when govt cash runs out? Oh thats right you think it will last forever lol.

It’s not viable though

throwing a billion dollars at teams that aren’t sustainable and hoping one day they turn it around is madness it’s a Ponzi scheme

in terms of players 16 is the maximum number of teams. Ironically that would mean the afl basket cases don’t exist except the lions

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Top 10 population centres in Aus & NZ:

1. Sydney RL dominant over AFL
2. Melbourne AFL dominant over RL
3. Brisbane RL dominant over AFL
4. Auckland RL dominant over AFL
5. Perth AFL dominant over RL
6. Adelaide AFL dominant over RL
7. Gold Coast RL dominant over AFL
8. Newcastle RL dominant over AFL
9. Canberra RL dominant over AFL
10. Central Coast RL dominant over AFL

That's 7 out of 10 of the largest population areas in favour of RL. Are we seeing the big picture now why the AFL are desperately pissing hundreds of millions down the drain to get a tiny foothold in our markets? NSW and QLD aren't a battleground, they are THE battleground in Australian sports. Whoever wins them long term dominates.

The AFL aren't "geniuses" for expanding here, they had no choice but to risk spending ridiculous sums to get foreign markets to accept their shit sport. The NRL don't have to do that at all. QLD's population is larger than WA, SA and TAS combined. Let that sink in for a second and tell me if we need to go putting irrelevant dots on a map. We don't, we just need to leverage our heartlands and geographical advantage properly.

Now having said that, I'm in favour of a Perth team in the NRL but let's not overstate the importance of getting some of the AFL's wasteland heartlands because they are largely irrelevant when it comes to winning the code battle.

Perth is a candidate for a team at some stage. Adelaide is out of the question.

I'd prefer to see a southern Brisbane team and a Christchurch team for the 19th and. 20th licence. Perth would be good for the 21st licence. NZ3 for the 22nd. That gives us a very strong footprint.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Nobody was arguing that private investment isn’t needed but are you really suggesting that sports like cricket or soccer through ICC or FIFA haven’t invested money in say a market like the States? Is that your argument.

Adelaide and Perth aren't comparable to the US.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Why does everyone keep bringing up AFL like they are the only sport that has teams in the 5 major metros? It's all sports except us and rugby.
It's just obvious that you go the major cities! Every other sport has worked this out.

Because fumbleball is the only sport that's richer than rugby league. All of those other "national" sports are poorer.

 

[Perth Red]

It’s not viable though

throwing a billion dollars at teams that aren’t sustainable and hoping one day they turn it around is madness it’s a Ponzi scheme

in terms of players 16 is the maximum number of teams. Ironically that would mean the afl basket cases don’t exist except the lions

Not if you believe the footprint they are growing is leading to ever more revenue way above what its costing them to grow that footprint.

And it isnt a billion $ extra, that's just nonsese. If you avg out the afl club grant its around $17mill a year, the expansion (plus some smaller heartland) clubs get around $8-9mill a year more than that.

Before their last bout of expansion and content creation their revenue was $300mill. By the time tassie come in their revenue will be over $1billion. more than TRIPLED the pre expansion revenue.

and youve ignored how you think PNG remain viable after govt money runs out? Reality is if we want them to still be around NRL is going to have to be putting in significant money above the standard grant amount for a very long time.

 

[Perth Red]

Perth is a candidate for a team at some stage. Adelaide is out of the question.

I'd prefer to see a southern Brisbane team and a Christchurch team for the 19th and. 20th licence. Perth would be good for the 21st licence. NZ3 for the 22nd. That gives us a very strong footprint.

Adelaide can work, it either needs a decade or so of investment to grow the game or it needs a partnership with Bears or Easts to fast track its viability.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Or we could go for a club with:
long term viability
with a population reach of 2.2 million
that offers a perfect 9th spot tv time
that has a rich state govt backing it and millionaires owning it
that opens up a new market for the sport

just an idea!

I'm all for a strong and viable Perth consortium once southern Brisbane and Christchurch are added.

 

[Wb1234]

Not if you believe the footprint they are growing is leading to ever more revenue way above what its costing them to grow that footprint.

And it isnt a billion $ extra, that's just nonsese. If you avg out the afl club grant its around $17mill a year, the expansion (plus some smaller heartland) clubs get around $8-9mill a year more than that.

Before their last bout of expansion and content creation their revenue was $300mill. By the time tassie come in their revenue will be over $1billion. more than TRIPLED the pre expansion revenue.

and youve ignored how you think PNG remain viable after govt money runs out? Reality is if we want them to still be around NRL is going to have to be putting in significant money above the standard grant amount for a very long time.

Lmao suns and gws 25 million each pa. 50 millon a year

for nothing. Take out the 19th team contra and the magic round and broadcasters weren’t keen on any increase for the afl rights

when you add teams they need to grow tv audiences in their own market

that’s why afl is failing and why the nrl would. Be crazy to copy it

 

[blue bags]

Perth is a candidate for a team at some stage. Adelaide is out of the question.

I'd prefer to see a southern Brisbane team and a Christchurch team for the 19th and. 20th licence. Perth would be good for the 21st licence. NZ3 for the 22nd. That gives us a very strong footprint.

18th team of yours ???

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

And they have a funding and player draft model that supports them long term.

NRL will never have a draft and variable funding scheme. It's why Adelaide and Perth are long odds on getting a team. Melbourne wouldn't have one if it wasn't for News Ltd.

 

[Wb1234]

“The Tasmanian appetite for televised AFL matches is 12 times greater than that of Queenslanders: an average 6 per cent of Tasmanians are ...”

AFL: Forget Queensland, more Tasmanians are tuning in to the footy

Around 50 per cent more Tasmanians than Queenslanders are watching AFL on TV.

amp.theage.com.au

 

[Perth Red]

Lmao suns and gws 25 million each pa. 50 millon a year

for nothing. Take out the 19th team contra and the magic round and broadcasters weren’t keen on any increase for the afl rights

when you add teams they need to grow tv audiences in their own market

that’s why afl is failing and why the nrl would. R crazy to copy it

sigh, if every club in afl was getting same, as in the NRL, then suns and gws cost the AFL around $8-9mill a year more than what would be the avg. Not hard to understand!

I thought you said tassie wasnt worth anything, now your saying it is? Make up your mind! If you think a magic weekend led to a $150mill a year cash increase your cooked lol.

Again you believe it to be worth nothing, but in reality its added more tv content and strengthened their national game perception amongst tv and sponsors. That has led to revenue growth from $300mill to over $1bill by time tassie come in.

yeh they are doing so badly compared to us, thats why we just signed a $400mill 5 year tv deal and they signed a $640 mill 7 year media deal! I'll take some of that failure lol

 

[Wb1234]

AFL fails to win over western Sydney and is underestimating the NRL

Figures have revealed that just one per cent of sports participants in western Sydney are playing Aussie Rules, adding pressure on the AFL to help the Giants land the Tigers superstar.

www.dailymail.co.uk

This is what we need to avoid as a code

 

[Perth Red]

I'm all for a strong and viable Perth consortium once southern Brisbane and Christchurch are added.

Go the Qlnd Firehawks lol