18th club, whose next?

[Wb1234]

Would be amazing but would need a $15mill a year guarantee payment from govt for 20 years at least to be sustainable.

Which is why a joint bid with cairns helps

the team could be based out of cairns full time too

Well you have to have money for the infrastructure aspect (the ground is not too bad but would still need work plus other things like training facilities etc) the travel costs are huge (and you’re paying it every week), there is no chance of any income from TV advertising, memberships, gate receipts (they might have some corporates from mining) then you have quite rightly the issue of recruitment and retention.

We can and should do a lot more with PNG in terms of player development and funding but a team is not realistic (at least not in the short to medium term)

Which is why a joint bid with cairns helps the bid. They could be based there full time too if needs be

 

[MugaB]

Your argument is that we should put a team in Brisbane. Nobody would consider that a ‘new market’. A new market is where you put a service or good in an area where you don’t have already have a presence

Who is say we need NEW markets? We need more teams where there is more players that can transition into NRL... whats the point of Perth or Adelaide if they are no better than Tasmania when it comes to production of talent, i get why they want NZ2 because the union players are strong, fast and talented, and can jump ship to the NRL when Union fails them. And i get QLD in general, coz it has QRL, i even get PNG and CC... but it dumbfounds me that we want a "new Market" but its a talent pool of tumbleweeds.... if redcliffe are "struggling" in a heartland of RL to sign marquees, what chance is Adelaide and Perth to garner 30 odd competitive players

 

[Colk]

Which is why a joint bid with cairns helps

the team could be based out of cairns full time too

Which is why a joint bid with cairns helps the bid. They could be based there full time too if needs be

Basing them in cairns helps reduce the costs in terms of training facilities, I’ll give you that.

It doesn’t help with regards to generating income - if you are playing in PNG your target market is Papua New Guineans and they won’t be able to afford to buy memberships or go to games (unless you plan on giving them away). In terms of TV dollars- where are they coming from? In terms of advertising dollars - what can you sell to PNG and what can PNG sell to Australian markets?

In terms of expenditure you would have to fork out bigger travel expenses than any other club (Cairns to PNG and back for every home game plus Cairns to wherever else in Australia and New Zealand and back for every away game). You would also have to invest in junior talent and pathways as well as the ground (it’s not too bad but you still would need to make improvements)

Lastly, how are they going to retain and attract talent. If you are a home grown PNG player, playing in Australia would be an attraction whilst vice versa it would be very hard to attract players from Australia/New Zealand. This would be mainly due to the travel of course but also other factors as well.

 

[Wb1234]

Basing them in cairns helps reduce the costs in terms of training facilities, I’ll give you that.

It doesn’t help with regards to generating income - if you are playing in PNG your target market is Papua New Guineans and they won’t be able to afford to buy memberships or go to games (unless you plan on giving them away). In terms of TV dollars- where are they coming from? In terms of advertising dollars - what can you sell to PNG and what can PNG sell to Australian markets?

In terms of expenditure you would have to fork out bigger travel expenses than any other club (Cairns to PNG and back for every home game plus Cairns to wherever else in Australia and New Zealand and back for every away game). You would also have to invest in junior talent and pathways as well as the ground (it’s not too bad but you still would need to make improvements)

Lastly, how are they going to retain and attract talent. If you are a home grown PNG player, playing in Australia would be an attraction whilst vice versa it would be very hard to attract players from Australia/New Zealand. This would be mainly due to the travel of course but also other factors as well.

Not just basing them in cairns. Representing cairns too. Half the games in each. The proposal I linked about was a joint venture between the two.

 

[Colk]

Who is say we need NEW markets? We need more teams where there is more players that can transition into NRL... whats the point of Perth or Adelaide if they are no better than Tasmania when it comes to production of talent, i get why they want NZ2 because the union players are strong, fast and talented, and can jump ship to the NRL when Union fails them. And i get QLD in general, coz it has QRL, i even get PNG and CC... but it dumbfounds me that we want a "new Market" but its a talent pool of tumbleweeds.... if redcliffe are "struggling" in a heartland of RL to sign marquees, what chance is Adelaide and Perth to garner 30 odd competitive players

Because new markets means new investment and new supporters unlinked to the existing markets. If you keep putting teams in the same markets, all you end up doing is splintering or saturating existing markets - the supporters for the new clubs are essentially taken from existing clubs within the same market. Essentially it’s economics 101.

If you want to use an analogy it’s like Woolworths opening a store in the same suburb as another of their stores. In this example, you wouldn’t be increasing the amount of consumers in that suburb (minus natural growth within that suburb of course) because they would already be aware of Woolworths in that suburb and have the means to shop there. So what would happen would be people shopping at the new Woolworths would be taken (more than likely) from those who used to shop at thr first Woolworths store - essentially splitting your customer base in two.

If I put a team in Adelaide (not likely) or Perth or NZ 2 (more likely) I’m attracting new supporters /sponsors who aren’t currently investing in the game. There is no other side near them, so from a geographical standpoint, I’m getting sponsors from those areas and I’m getting people buying merchandise, going to games, buying memberships that aren’t currently doing that.

I’m growing the pie essentially rather than dividing the existing pie further.

 

[Colk]

Regards player development, I totally understand your concerns MugaB. That just requires greater foresight from the powers that be about to overcome those obstacles and to plan expansion better.

Thr Dolphins problems are really due to the fact that their inception has been rushed and also due to current rigidity of the salary cap

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Our game will be stronger with a club based in Perth. It will provide our game with penetration in seven of Australia's eight largest cities. Only the fifth largest city, Adelaide, will be unrepresented. AwFuL penetration is limited to six of Australia's top eight cities because it doesn't have a team in Newcastle and Canberra.

The NBN is now available in regional Australia and it's making the old five metro FTA commercial TV model redundant. Viewers no longer need to be from the five metro areas to be relevant to the advertisers. All that matters now is an internet connection fast enough to stream IPTV. We can use our strong penetration in regional Australia as a selling point to steaming services who want to draw customers from all over Australia.

It would be great if the ARLC did more to split Manly's base between Central Coast and the Northern Beaches. Central Coast is Australia's 10th largest city, so it's vital to have a team representing it in the NRL to give streaming services another reason to throw big money at our game. We've also got Sunshine Coast as the ninth largest city, so let's make The Dolphins popular there so we can sell it to the streaming services.

At some stage it would be nice to have a third team in Brisbane to produce more local derbies that draw strong TV ratings and attendances. If we can get Perth in as the next team, preferably before 2027, then Easts Tigers can spend the next 10 years building an asset base that will make them too big and powerful to be ignored by the ARL for inclusion in the 2030s. News Ltd will hopefully have competition from rival broadcasters by then to prevent them from dictating how our game is run.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Somehow I had titans as a Brisbane team


the govt is tipping in money now I think for the hunters

but there are loads of major Aussie mining companies in png im sure getting corporate support wouldn’t be an issue

if it’s a joint bid with cairns then that should help with finances

with all the potential expansion areas png is the one that excites me the most

it would truly transform the nrl if they can make it stack up financially and operationally

It would definitely irk AwFuL and onionball if we had a team in PNG bankrolled by the PNG gov. It's the sort of reach they would love to have but never will.

 

[Wb1234]

It would definitely irk AwFuL and onionball if we had a team in PNG bankrolled by the PNG gov. It's the sort of reach they would love to have but never will.

More afl. Adding nine million people to the 4 million of nz puts nrl on a whole different level to afl

to really get to union we need to focus on nz. If the nrl can undermine the all blacks then that will be a big blow for union globally it’s their biggest showpiece

with the collapse of Australia and the departure of South Africa nz is ripe for the plucking now

 

[Perth Red]

It would definitely irk AwFuL and onionball if we had a team in PNG bankrolled by the PNG gov. It's the sort of reach they would love to have but never will.

They’d be much more concerned if we put teams in perth and Adelaide!

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

More afl. Adding nine million people to the 4 million of nz puts nrl on a whole different level to afl

to really get to union we need to focus on nz. If the nrl can undermine the all blacks then that will be a big blow for union globally it’s their biggest showpiece

with the collapse of Australia and the departure of South Africa nz is ripe for the plucking now

All Blacks are in trouble as European clubs continue to plunder NZRU's best players. NRL can compete with European onionball clubs in the player market for NZ talent as we have the money. NZ 2 is a huge threat to NZRU and just as dangerous to them as they are to NZ 2.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

They’d be much more concerned if we put teams in perth and Adelaide!

If the PNG gov fundS a Port Moresby based NRL team then the benefits that will provide rugby league in Australia and PNG will be enormous. It will f**k up AwFuL's plans of developing fumbleball in PNG.

 

[MugaB]

Perth wouldn’t be the GC Suns (smaller area and less corporates) or the GWS Giants (putting a team in a wider area which can only support one) You are only talking about about one team in a city of more two million people, one of the fastest growing and the wealthiest area in Australia. It is the biggest no brainer of all time (one of anyway)

The fact that people are even arguing against it shows how conservative some people are. You may as well not do anything if that is your mentality.

No ones arguing against having team in perth, or them being next cab off the rank, i just see them turning into a titans-esk expansion that only competes thru the skin off there teeth, and wont keep the crowds due to being bashed every week by 50... whats the point, when theres genuine clubs or areas that have an already competitive junior or reserve grade comps that can mix it with the mediocre NRL clubs, i cant say NZ2 will be any different, but they have athletes in league and union that can be drafted from NZ, and the country can easily support 2 clubs, PNG/Cairns i have no doubt would be competitive, everyone worrys about the funding, but thats not the issue, when you have grants covering your salary cap, and if the QRL can do it with the Hunters and Pride, the NRL can do it with one team... Perth or WA needs to show the league that they can genetate 1st grade talent, just like the bulk of the NRL, yes they ain't got the funding from the NRL, but PR says perth have very rich backers, well theyll have to prove it, build a perth club enter them into reserve grade in either QRL or NSWRL and do what the hunters did in 2017 and win or get close at least... then youll get taken seriously, otherwise perth is just a very faraway dot on a map, that they ain't going to bother with

 

[MugaB]

I think Perth will get a team

i just don’t think Perth is very important for the games future

I see Perth as team 20 into the nrl after they have added nz2 and Brisbane 3

Correct, but i think its more Qld5, Nz2 then Wa

 

[MugaB]

They’d be much more concerned if we put teams in perth and Adelaide!

BS, the AFL dominate the media there, and will get them driven thru the ground just like what happened often with the Rams, but it is a different world from 25 years ago

 

[Colk]

They’d be much more concerned if we put teams in perth and Adelaide!

I’m not so certain they would worry if we put a team in Adelaide. Not suggesting that we can’t but the area is nothing but a shade on Perth financially and even then probably more of a challenge demographically

 

[Colk]

If the PNG gov fundS a Port Moresby based NRL team then the benefits that will provide rugby league in Australia and PNG will be enormous. It will f**k up AwFuL's plans of developing fumbleball in PNG.

Are they trying to?

 

[Colk]

Also btw hasn’t the people and society of PNG suffered enough than now having to worry about AFL

 

[mongoose]

Which is why a joint bid with cairns helps

the team could be based out of cairns full time too

Which is why a joint bid with cairns helps the bid. They could be based there full time too if needs be

Cairns already supports the Cowboys though. Cairns is also a tourist town, even more transient than the Gold Coast.

 

[Wb1234]

They’d be much more concerned if we put teams in perth and Adelaide!

Yeh just like they are crapping themselves over the storm taking over Victoria

2 more small clubs getting an extra 50k viewers a week on tv each and requiring a hundred million each to get established over the normal grant won’t make the afl loose any sleep