18th club, whose next?

[Iamback]

Multiply the Broncos and Redcliffe fans by a factor of 4 and your probably a bit closer to the real numbers. TV ratings for Broncos and Redcliffe games are through the roof where as ratings for Lions and Suns games in Brisbane are poor.

You'd think Redcliffe in particular will keep growing too

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

It isn't Perth RL vs Titans which will be the ratings winner.

It'll be the live Perth vs Broncos/Rabbitohs/Eels as a 2nd game which will be the ratings winner.

It's the 'live game' aspect which is known to increase rating's, and the 2 hours time difference make it much more plausible

But it won't be on FTA if it's broadcast at Sat 9.30pm AEST or Sun 6/8pm AEST.

 

[Marlins]

If the NRL could get the money from the broadcasters. A 20 team comp, NRL/WNRL both playing a full 24 game season each. This is how I would play it.

Expansion teams -
Perth Pirates, Christchurch team, South QLD team, or PNG I suppose.

All game’s broadcast live and in their own unique time slot, both men & women’s games back to back.
I would also make incentives for Sydney teams to take games to NZ outside of Christchurch/Auckland. 4-8 games.

All games AEDT 10Men (M) & 10Women (W)

Thursday 1 - W 5:30pm - M 7:30pm

Friday 1 - W 3:15pm - M 5:15pm all these games exclusively played in NZ, with exceptions to opening Round (USA), Easter, Anzac, Magic.
Friday 2 - M 7:15pm - W 9:15pm

Saturday 1 - W 11:15am - M 1:15pm
Saturday 2 - W 3:15pm - M 5:15pm
Saturday 3 - M 7:15pm - W 9:15pm

Sunday 1 - W 11:15am - M 1:15pm
Sunday 2 - W 3:15pm - M 5:15pm
Sunday 3 - M 7:15pm - W 9:15pm

Monday 1 - W 5:30pm - M 7:30pm

 

[Perth Red]

NRLW is a big issue imo. Its not much of a ratings winner so compromising the mens draw for it seems counter intuitive. I think itd be better to have the womens games on different times all together or on a separate channel at same time. Or not every game shown live.

20 teams, Perth, Adelaide and Christchurch added

NRL (Aest)

Thurs 7.30pm FTA

Fri 6pm PTV
Fri 8pm FTA

Sat 1pm PTV
Sat 3.30pm PTV
Sat 5.30pm PTV
Sat 7.30pm FTA
5 games a year Sat 9.30pm (played in Perth or Adelaide) FTA

Sun 3pm FTA
Sun 6pm PTV (Perth or Adelaide games)

Mon 7.30pm PTV ( 5 games a year to be played on sat late night instead of Monday)

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

NRLW is a big issue imo. Its not much of a ratings winner so compromising the mens draw for it seems counter intuitive. I think itd be better to have the womens games on different times all together or on a separate channel at same time. Or not every game shown live.

20 teams, Perth, Adelaide and Christchurch added

NRL (Aest)

Thurs 7.30pm FTA

Fri 6pm PTV
Fri 8pm FTA

Sat 1pm PTV
Sat 3.30pm PTV
Sat 5.30pm PTV
Sat 7.30pm FTA
5 games a year Sat 9.30pm (played in Perth or Adelaide) FTA

Sun 3pm FTA
Sun 6pm PTV (Perth or Adelaide games)

Mon 7.30pm PTV ( 5 games a year to be played on sat late night instead of Monday)

You're arguing against NRLW for not being a ratings winner, but claiming we need to add two teams that won't be ratings winners?

 

[Perth Red]

You're arguing against NRLW for not being a ratings winner, but claiming we need to add two teams that won't be ratings winners?

so Perth v Broncos or Souths wont get a decent audience? cuckoo cuckoo

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

so Perth v Broncos or Souths wont get a decent audience? cuckoo cuckoo

Not in Perth it won't.

If you're arguing we should add Perth because Broncos fans will tune in to see the Broncos play Perth once a year then you're scraping the bottom of the barrel.

 

[Perth Red]

Not in Perth it won't.

If you're arguing we should add Perth because Broncos fans will tune in to see the Broncos play Perth once a year then you're scraping the bottom of the barrel.

tv wont care, they care about number of eyes or subscribers. reality is all NRL clubs draw decent audiences nationally. Perth will do the same. If successful it will draw well if its tripe it will draw low. Pretty much like most clubs. Melbourne continue to be one of the most watched clubs in the NRL on TV, despite low Melbourne audiences.
Theres value in metro reach and theres value in extra content, but mostly in competition for the rights.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

tv wont care, they care about number of eyes or subscribers. reality is all NRL clubs draw decent audiences nationally. Perth will do the same. If successful it will draw well if its tripe it will draw low. Pretty much like most clubs. Melbourne continue to be one of the most watched clubs in the NRL on TV, despite low Melbourne audiences.
Theres value in metro reach and theres value in extra content, but mostly in competition for the rights.

Perth won't be successful on the field like Melbourne.

Storm have a strong supporter base in SEQ. Perth won't have much support in SEQ.

Storm will lose support in SEQ over the next 20 years. Their viewership will decline when they go on a long losing run.

That's the grim reality.

 

[Perth Red]

Perth won't be successful on the field like Melbourne.

Storm have a strong supporter base in SEQ. Perth won't have much support in SEQ.

Storm will lose support in SEQ over the next 20 years. Their viewership will decline when they go on a long losing run.

That's the grim reality.

you dont know that, its highly unlikey I agree but if they can be half as successful then that will elevate them up the tv audience list significantly

you dont know that, maybe Perth partners up with 1 or 2 qlnd cup clubs for pathways. Maybe they partner with Jets and draw a decent sydney audience

Maybe, they are maintaining their Flacons partnership so plenty of Qlnd interest still. Predictions of the Storms demise have been happening since Inglis eft

Thats your opinion and prediction, it isnt reality as it hasnt happened

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

you dont know that, its highly unlikey I agree but if they can be half as successful then that will elevate them up the tv audience list significantly

you dont know that, maybe Perth partners up with 1 or 2 qlnd cup clubs for pathways. Maybe they partner with Jets and draw a decent sydney audience

Maybe, they are maintaining their Flacons partnership so plenty of Qlnd interest still. Predictions of the Storms demise have been happening since Inglis eft

Thats your opinion and prediction, it isnt reality as it hasnt happened

Affiliating with a Queensland Cup club won't do shit to drum up local support. Storm developed a following in SEQ in the late 90s because a void was left when the Crushers and Chargers were culled. Cowboys were still finding their feet. Now we've got the Cowboys, Titans and Dolphins covering the gap that was left when the Crushers and Chargers were punted. Storm have plenty of bandwagon supporters in SEQ because the club is successful. The Raiders had similar support in the 80s and early 90s. It'll dry up once the Storm become also-rans.

Why are you telling a person who was born in SEQ and lived here for almost 40 years how the people of this region think and what we will follow?

Perth isn't going to be half as successful as the Storm because they won't have News Ltd giving them more money to spend than every club [bar the Broncos]. The restraint on spending for football operations will prevent a new team from becoming as dominant as the Storm. The reality is Perth will struggle in the player market during their early years and will be a bottom four team.

The only advantage a Perth-based club will have over other clubs -- in the long-term -- is Perth's lower cost of living. Whether this translates to marquee players choosing Perth over a team that has a chance of winning a premiership remains to be seen.

 

[Marlins]

The Storms will be fine. Just because we’re adding new clubs fans won’t throw away their jerseys or support. They will need to find away to start attracting more Victorian juniors and local players because they won’t get much help from the NRL. They’re a big brand and very well supported overall. Making the right moves though through the local comp.

 

[Pippen94]

The Storms will be fine. Just because we’re adding new clubs fans won’t throw away their jerseys or support. They will need to find away to start attracting more Victorian juniors and local players because they won’t get much help from the NRL. They’re a big brand and very well supported overall. Making the right moves though through the local comp.

2024 & still waiting Melbourne produced players..

 

[Perth Red]

Affiliating with a Queensland Cup club won't do shit to drum up local support. Storm developed a following in SEQ in the late 90s because a void was left when the Crushers and Chargers were culled. Cowboys were still finding their feet. Now we've got the Cowboys, Titans and Dolphins covering the gap that was left when the Crushers and Chargers were punted. Storm have plenty of bandwagon supporters in SEQ because the club is successful. The Raiders had similar support in the 80s and early 90s. It'll dry up once the Storm become also-rans.

Why are you telling a person who was born in SEQ and lived here for almost 40 years how the people of this region think and what we will follow?

Perth isn't going to be half as successful as the Storm because they won't have News Ltd giving them more money to spend than every club [bar the Broncos]. The restraint on spending for football operations will prevent a new team from becoming as dominant as the Storm. The reality is Perth will struggle in the player market during their early years and will be a bottom four team.

The only advantage a Perth-based club will have over other clubs -- in the long-term -- is Perth's lower cost of living. Whether this translates to marquee players choosing Perth over a team that has a chance of winning a premiership remains to be seen.

bollox, they've got a queensland following, right across queensland, as they have generated a number of Queensland superstar players who won origin. And tehy are a very well run and marketed club. Theres still kids wearing storm gear in Queensland so the idea they were only of interest due to lack of other options is bs.

same reason you are telling someone who has lived in perth for 25 years whats the situation is here. Whats good for the goose and all that

You dont know that. Thats you opinion/ prediction. You dont know what money will be behind them , you dont know what pathway partnerships they will have, you dont know how attractive a club they will be for players to sign for. And then theres that little bit of luck, finding a once in a generation Thurston or a Johns or a Smith. A lot of that is down to luck. Again you dont know that but very likely, not many expansion clubs havent finished bottom 4 or 5 to star with, Its improving and building a better club year on year that matters. Any club finishing bottom 3 or 4 every year is going to be in strife, look at Tigers or Dragons or warriors up till recent.

Again Id suggest how well run the club is and if it can be competitive and keep a crowd will also be influencers on signing appeal. As well as other factors like coaching staff and reputation for looking after players. We've seen Storm excel in those areas and have no problem recruiting and retaining a competitive team from RL heartland. Recruitment will though be one of the hardest things for a perth club I have no doubts, but that doesnt make it impossible.

 

[Perth Red]

2024 & still waiting Melbourne produced players..

such ignorance.

gareth widdop, Mahe Fonua, Young Tonumaipea, Richie Kennar, dean Ieremia, sualauvi faalogo

all melbourne clubs jnrs who have played 1st grade.

 

[Pippen94]

such ignorance.

gareth widdop, Mahe Fonua, Young Tonumaipea, Richie Kennar, dean Ieremia, sualauvi faalogo

all melbourne clubs jnrs who have played 1st grade.

Widdop is english

 

[Perth Red]

Widdop is english

he played his Jnr RL in Melbourne. You may have heard of a thing called immigration? But point stands, either you are very ignorant or just stupid? Clearly there has been a number of Melbourne Jnrs make it NRL for Storm.

 

[Pippen94]

he played his Jnr RL in Melbourne. You may have heard of a thing called immigration? But point stands, either you are very ignorant or just stupid? Clearly there has been a number of Melbourne Jnrs make it NRL for Storm.

Dude was 17 when he arrived. Other players are nobodies

 

[Perth Red]

Dude was 17 when he arrived. Other players are nobodies

16 actually and played for Altona Roosters. You didnt say somebodies, you said you were still waiting to see a Melbourne developed player. Scrape scrape.....

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

bollox, they've got a queensland following, right across queensland, as they have generated a number of Queensland superstar players who won origin. And tehy are a very well run and marketed club. Theres still kids wearing storm gear in Queensland so the idea they were only of interest due to lack of other options is bs.

Melbourne Storm have been more successful over the last 10 years than any of the Queensland clubs. Of course there will be people in Queensland jumping aboard their bandwagon.

Wait until they go on a losing run. It's likely to happen at some stage. Especially when Bellamy retires. When it does the bandwagon supporters will desert them in droves.

How well do the Storm rate on FTA in Brisbane?

Cronk, Slater and Smith were poached by the Storm when Brisbane were the only club in SEQ and the Cowboys were still a basket case. Good luck getting those calibre of players to escape through the nets of the Broncos, Cowboys, Dolphins and Titans in 2024.

same reason you are telling someone who has lived in perth for 25 years whats the situation is here. Whats good for the goose and all that

You're not a born and bred Western Australian. You're a soapdodger from Hull who emigrated to Perth. If you were born in Kent then you wouldn't be a rugby league fan.

The facts don't back up your claims. Despite all of your chest pumping about RL in Perth, there's only 4,100 registered players, 5k PTV viewers and 8k FTA viewers.

You dont know that. Thats you opinion/ prediction. You dont know what money will be behind them , you dont know what pathway partnerships they will have, you dont know how attractive a club they will be for players to sign for.

Greenberg introduced a salary cap on football department expenditure for the 2017 season.

https://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/nrl/nrl-to-introduce-salary-cap-on-football-departments-as-clubs-blow-budgets-by-29-million/news-story/d97c8f1ac35a0f2020bf58310433cb79?amp&nk=af1bd1be2a150d6a24d6c33271dce0e6-1704436961

There wasn't one in place when the Storm entered the NRL.

And then theres that little bit of luck, finding a once in a generation Thurston or a Johns or a Smith.

Smith was picked up by the Storm when Broncos were the only team in SEQ. Good luck getting the Broncos, Dolphins and Titans to overlook a junior of his calibre in 2024.

A lot of that is down to luck. Again you dont know that but very likely, not many expansion clubs havent finished bottom 4 or 5 to star with, Its improving and building a better club year on year that matters. Any club finishing bottom 3 or 4 every year is going to be in strife, look at Tigers or Dragons or warriors up till recent.

Again Id suggest how well run the club is and if it can be competitive and keep a crowd will also be influencers on signing appeal. As well as other factors like coaching staff and reputation for looking after players. We've seen Storm excel in those areas and have no problem recruiting and retaining a competitive team from RL heartland. Recruitment will though be one of the hardest things for a perth club I have no doubts, but that doesnt make it impossible.

See my point about the salary cap on football department expenditure. Storm didn't have to abide by one between 1998 and 2017.