What's new
The Front Row Forums

Register a free account today to become a member of the world's largest Rugby League discussion forum! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

18th club, whose next?

Colk

First Grade
Messages
6,750
Its actually pretty simple, a plastic club are a club that has started with zero history behind it or its branding, the broncos when they started were as plastic as the titans are now, had they admitted norths devils and Burleigh bears instead, then there's a shit ton of history there, but i think now that the titans have been in the comp for a good 18 seasons straight, instead of the 10 years of 4 rebrands from 1988-1997, I'd be easily giving them a massive pass mark, yet struggling throughout just shows there is love for that plastic franchise on the GC, and every year they are less plastic, i would say if there ever was a cut off it would be the length of 20 years straight in the comp, so really they'd be the only one at the moment, as storm, cowboys and warriors have been over 25 now

Ok let’s suggest that your line of thinking is the norm when does it cut off from being plastic to non plastic? Is there a line of demarcation that everybody can follow because otherwise it is a very subjective viewpoint (so after a decade are they legitimite? 20 years? 30 years?) For example I’ve had people argue to me that the Raiders, Knights and Broncos are plastic even though they have been around for more than 30 years

On the other thing about history that is an interesting point. Now history is rather relative and subjective (in how it is viewed) I’ll give you the examples of the Raiders and the Knights. They are owned by two local clubs. Now would they have had more success in terms of brand recognition and overall support if they co-opted those brands for the premier competition? Not being a Canberra local, I can’t speak for the Raiders but I can vouch for the Knights and there is definitely no problem with how the community support and view the brand. I would highly doubt that if the Gold Coast Titans were the Burleigh Bears they would have had more support than they do mainly because I don’t think that the QRL and NSWRL competitions resonate with many people; particularly young people and particularly not with rusted ons like you and I.
 

Iamback

Referee
Messages
20,381
Ok let’s suggest that your line of thinking is the norm when does it cut off from being plastic to non plastic? Is there a line of demarcation that everybody can follow because otherwise it is a very subjective viewpoint (so after a decade are they legitimite? 20 years? 30 years?) For example I’ve had people argue to me that the Raiders, Knights and Broncos are plastic even though they have been around for more than 30 years

On the other thing about history that is an interesting point. Now history is rather relative and subjective (in how it is viewed) I’ll give you the examples of the Raiders and the Knights. They are owned by two local clubs. Now would they have had more success in terms of brand recognition and overall support if they co-opted those brands for the premier competition? Not being a Canberra local, I can’t speak for the Raiders but I can vouch for the Knights and there is definitely no problem with how the community support and view the brand. I would highly doubt that if the Gold Coast Titans were the Burleigh Bears they would have had more support than they do mainly because I don’t think that the QRL and NSWRL competitions resonate with many people; particularly young people and particularly not with rusted ons like you and I.

20 years I think is a cut off.
Take the Broncos there will now be parents telling their kids they were there for the 1st game or how good Renouf was.

To me if you can pass stories down to another generation then the side has made it. History says those kids will follow the side their parents did and so on
 
Last edited:

Perth Red

Post Whore
Messages
69,736
Melbourne?

None of the players were born and raised in Melbourne. All of them, bar Gred Inglis, were a product of the QRL junior system. Melbourne hasn't produced a representative quality player.
Melbourne identified them, gave them their shot, trained them developed them. No melbourne no qlnd dominance. You should be on your knees thanking the Storm lol,
 

MugaB

Coach
Messages
15,184
I used to go to Titans day games semi regularly coming from Brisbane. Drive down to Burleigh late morning, park somewhere. Visit some of the craft brewers (Black Hops, Burleigh Brewing) then catch the shuttle bus to Cbus stadium. Great day out. Would be even better if the stadium was closer to some bars and stuff though...
Theres one at the shopping centre nearby, i went there to watch the UFC before the titans played
 

MugaB

Coach
Messages
15,184
I
Ok let’s suggest that your line of thinking is the norm when does it cut off from being plastic to non plastic? Is there a line of demarcation that everybody can follow because otherwise it is a very subjective viewpoint (so after a decade are they legitimite? 20 years? 30 years?) For example I’ve had people argue to me that the Raiders, Knights and Broncos are plastic even though they have been around for more than 30 years

On the other thing about history that is an interesting point. Now history is rather relative and subjective (in how it is viewed) I’ll give you the examples of the Raiders and the Knights. They are owned by two local clubs. Now would they have had more success in terms of brand recognition and overall support if they co-opted those brands for the premier competition? Not being a Canberra local, I can’t speak for the Raiders but I can vouch for the Knights and there is definitely no problem with how the community support and view the brand. I would highly doubt that if the Gold Coast Titans were the Burleigh Bears they would have had more support than they do mainly because I don’t think that the QRL and NSWRL competitions resonate with many people; particularly young people and particularly not with rusted ons like you and I.
I did say 20 years in the post you quoted me
 

Bukowski

Bench
Messages
2,675
On plastic teams. What do people think of the Tigers? 25th season and still havnt bedded in their identity or area. They feel very wishy washy to me but I might just be aweary fan
 

Colk

First Grade
Messages
6,750
I
I did say 20 years in the post you quoted me

I am not having a crack at you but what I am saying is that as it is a subjective point what is plastic or whatever differs amongst other people. As I said I have had arguments with other people saying that the Raiders and Knights are plastic clubs even though they have been around for 30 odd years.

Anyway, history in a second grade competition or the NSWRL is interesting to you and me but I don’t think some kid watching league l for instance or many casual views are going to care about a club’s history or lack thereof.
 

Colk

First Grade
Messages
6,750
On plastic teams. What do people think of the Tigers? 25th season and still havnt bedded in their identity or area. They feel very wishy washy to me but I might just be aweary fan

Well that’s another thing. Does a merged team become a plastic team because they are a new entity? What about if Easts Tigers win a licence in Brisbane but obviously have to trade or operate under a new name: are they a plastic franchise or a non plastic franchise?
 

Bukowski

Bench
Messages
2,675
Well that’s another thing. Does a merged team become a plastic team because they are a new entity? What about if Easts Tigers win a licence in Brisbane but obviously have to trade or operate under a new name: are they a plastic franchise or a non plastic franchise?
Plastic
 

Bukowski

Bench
Messages
2,675
Both are plastic?
Wests tigers were plastic for sure. If east Tigers get in then they will too. East Tigers will be the owners of the NRL team, the team itself will be plastic.
Mind you, I don't really go along with all this plastic stuff.
 

Colk

First Grade
Messages
6,750
Wests tigers were plastic for sure. If east Tigers get in then they will too. East Tigers will be the owners of the NRL team, the team itself will be plastic.
Mind you, I don't really go along with all this plastic stuff.

Too many rules mate
 

MugaB

Coach
Messages
15,184
I am not having a crack at you but what I am saying is that as it is a subjective point what is plastic or whatever differs amongst other people. As I said I have had arguments with other people saying that the Raiders and Knights are plastic clubs even though they have been around for 30 odd years.

Anyway, history in a second grade competition or the NSWRL is interesting to you and me but I don’t think some kid watching league l for instance or many casual views are going to care about a club’s history or lack thereof.
Raiders been around for 42 years, knights 36,
Definitely not plastic anymore, as i said a plastic clubs are ones that start without a history
 

Perth Red

Post Whore
Messages
69,736
Well that’s another thing. Does a merged team become a plastic team because they are a new entity? What about if Easts Tigers win a licence in Brisbane but obviously have to trade or operate under a new name: are they a plastic franchise or a non plastic franchise?
Rubber

its a stupid false construct. All clubs have a start point in their history.
 

MugaB

Coach
Messages
15,184
Well that’s another thing. Does a merged team become a plastic team because they are a new entity? What about if Easts Tigers win a licence in Brisbane but obviously have to trade or operate under a new name: are they a plastic franchise or a non plastic franchise?
Its surely a tough one to answer, technically east tigers are still the club running the side for the past 90 years, so if they change their branding the branding my seem plastic, but the club is definitely not... as for wests tigers they have a combined 200+ years of history, not sure anyone considers them as plastic ditto for dragons
 

Latest posts

Top