18th club, whose next?

[Perth Red]

Bugger me you’re a bloody clown you have had a decade to grow up, don’t waste the next decade mate.

eh? Your club said it mate!
Id suggest of you ever want to see the Bears back in NRl you start asking your chairman why PNG and Perth both walked away.

 

[Perth Red]

Anyone else noticed in the interview that Vlandys agrees with some on here that there are too many clubs in Sydney? LOL

“They've got to be in the equation. They can't be stand-alone in Sydney because there's too many already."

 

[Red&BlackBear]

eh? Your club said it mate!

Who cares, board members and CEO’s come and go mate. As I keep saying it here, it’s about what’s good for business and what will make money to the investors of the game. If that is the Bears somewhere or the Bears no where, it’s yet to be determined.

But you going into a defensive panic mode in this post because PVL was asked a question about the Bears and answered it with his view is hilarious.

His view is only minimal, he has shareholders he answers to as well. There’s people even above him whose influence is far greater.

A decade ago the game was under Gallop’s leadership with News Ltd in majority control. Then came the ARLC and with that multiple changes in members and leadership. Point I’m trying to make is whatever you think is fact, isn’t. Whatever you think will sway people one way or another in regard to expansion is inconsequential.

Things change. Understand that and grow up mate.

 

[Centy Coast]

Its highly unlikely, PNG has said flat out no and Bears after being turned away by perth then announced the 'Pacifica" Bears idea and Perth started talking to Newtown.

tbh the games are least of it, they wont get more than 1 or 2 at most from anyone. it should be a pre season charity game v Manly at NSO, then a regular season game against Manly during heritage round at Allianz imo. Rest at HBF park. They could negotiate a Sydney season ticket with other clubs so it includes those 2 games plus the Sydney team away games. You could have a 10 game membership then for WC Bears Sydney based fans.

Ownership of the license and the board make up is the biggie. There is no way I'd support a WA club being owned by NS.

WA non negotiables for a Bears partnership should be:
10 or 11 home games in Perth
License owned by WA consortium
Club based FT in Perth
1 board seat for NS CEO or Chairman
Brand must include WA references in colours and name

Let the Big Boys sort this out, what you and I want is irrelevant, much to your disbelief the Bears have been talking with WA officials,
as well as looking into their Pacifika option, I trust my source.

 

[Centy Coast]

Actually they have stated that previously, hence why Perth and PNG have given them short change

we want somewhere between two to four games at North Sydney Oval — one of those must be against Manly — and we want that the rights of the 18th licence will always sit with the North Sydney Rugby League Football Club.

As I said to you over a year ago, it is called negotiating, you keep bringing up things that were said by Daniel Dickson way back when.

 

[Red&BlackBear]

Id suggest of you ever want to see the Bears back in NRl you start asking your chairman why PNG and Perth both walked away.

Couple of things, I don’t need to ask anyone, anything. How about just enjoying the product that already exists and living in the moment.

This chairman has his view, cool. Previous chairmen had different views, sweet. Things change mate.

Whatever transpires is fine with me. If it’s the Bears in Perth, cool. If it’s PNG standalone, sweet. If it’s no Bears ever, ok that’s life. But if they do return, great I’m happy to invest into them and putting my money where my support is. If not, I’ll keep investing in junior league where I currently live. Either way the game wins here.

Theres more to life than to be caught up in this, I have faith the powerbrokers will do what is right for the game regardless how anyone on here feels and whatever that choice is, I’m sure the product will continue to be great regardless of where it’s played.

 

[Perth Red]

Who cares, board members and CEO’s come and go mate. As I keep saying it here, it’s about what’s good for business and what will make money to the investors of the game. If that is the Bears somewhere or the Bears no where, it’s yet to be determined.

But you going into a defensive panic mode in this post because PVL was asked a question about the Bears and answered it with his view is hilarious.

His view is only minimal, he has shareholders he answers to as well. There’s people even above him whose influence is far greater.

A decade ago the game was under Gallop’s leadership with News Ltd in majority control. Then came the ARLC and with that multiple changes in members and leadership. Point I’m trying to make is whatever you think is fact, isn’t. Whatever you think will sway people one way or another in regard to expansion is inconsequential.

Things change. Understand that and grow up mate.

I get why youre all arsey, bit of good news for the Bears for a change, but this is a fans opinions discussion board. I suggest if you dont like hearing different peoples opinions its probably not the place for you. Of course theres lots of water to pass under the bridge yet, I still very much doubt Perth will get a team, history is oft open to repeat itself after all, , but its fun speculating, debating, arguing and all that about the pros and cons.

And when your own club comes out with statements then dont get angst when people on here comment on them.

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Theres more to life than to be caught up in this, I have faith the powerbrokers will do what is right for the game regardless how anyone on here feels and whatever that choice is, I’m sure the product will continue to be great regardless of where it’s played.

Then why are you here? Its a 'discussion' board after all.
Im the same by the way, Ive lived in Perth for 25 years without an NRL club now, if we never get one so be it, be a great shame for the game and fans here but life goes on and it really doesn't matter that much in the grand scheme of life. I'll stick with my motorsport that I took up when the last expansion hope fell over in 2013 and look forward to supporting a local club in voluntary management when I retire in a couple of years.

 

[Centy Coast]

The license that went back to manly?

only because norths agrees to that clause

True, Manly greased $$$ a few palms to get their way.
Arko and Fulton were very influential in ARL circles.

 

[Perth Red]

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True, Manly greased $$$ a few palms to get their way.
Arko and Fulton were very influential in ARL circles.

Which is why I highly doubt Bears have changed their tune on the license ownership. Once bitten and all that.

 

[Iamback]

Who cares, board members and CEO’s come and go mate. As I keep saying it here, it’s about what’s good for business and what will make money to the investors of the game. If that is the Bears somewhere or the Bears no where, it’s yet to be determined.

But you going into a defensive panic mode in this post because PVL was asked a question about the Bears and answered it with his view is hilarious.

His view is only minimal, he has shareholders he answers to as well. There’s people even above him whose influence is far greater.

A decade ago the game was under Gallop’s leadership with News Ltd in majority control. Then came the ARLC and with that multiple changes in members and leadership. Point I’m trying to make is whatever you think is fact, isn’t. Whatever you think will sway people one way or another in regard to expansion is inconsequential.

Things change. Understand that and grow up mate.

He is one on here... plenty of other stupid ones here too. That think PVL makes all the decisions

 

[Red&BlackBear]

I get why youre all arsey, bit of good news for the Bears for a change, but this is a fans opinions discussion board. I suggest if you dont like hearing different peoples opinions its probably not the place for you. Of course theres lots of water to pass under the bridge yet, I still very much doubt Perth will get a team, history is oft open to repeat itself after all, , but its fun speculating, debating, arguing and all that about the pros and cons.

And when your own club comes out with statements then dont get angst when people on here comment on them.

Your reply is interesting because it is only you who is showing that you don’t like differing opinions, your scrounging for links and articles like your life depends on it.

There’s no angst here either, I really don’t care that much about one interview that’s led to multiple articles recycling the same stuff.

As I keep saying over and over and not many seem to be understanding is whatever is good for business will win in the end, that’s the real hot take you can take to the bank.

 

[Centy Coast]

1. Arlc won’t allow it
2. Other Sydney clubs won’t allow it
3. Wa govt funding to be provided under conditions like team can’t be moved
4. Perth control a majority or all of the shares

This is what I have continually said
over and over again and again

Which is why I highly doubt Bears have changed their tune on the license ownership. Once bitten and all that.

It hasn’t been mentioned at all this time as a non negotiable, might be for discussion only behind closed doors.

 

[MugaB]

Bears are the only one you’ve mentioned without a bid

looking to join any one of the bids

Incorrect, they have always had a bid, they just keep replacing the location, with another, they were thinking perth, then rolled out a roaming country nsw bid(wagga, dubbo, Cc etc) now its a pasifika bid
Roaming around the islands

 

[MugaB]

Well it doesn't sound like these guys are any smarter. They havn't even picked an area to represent. They might need that.

They will, theyll see the light eventually, after all these dumbarse models fail, they'll beg the Arlc for a location, and PVL will point to Melbourne

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Id be ok with that, Ive said all along that as long as the next clubs in are not from Qlnd or NSW it'll do me.

Eh? Realistically Perth was always going to need an east coast partner for pathways. Nothing new in that. All clubs have links with somewhere else.

Its rugba league nothing is certain, as an expansionist I hope so!

Why does an Englishman think he is in a position to dictate where the next expansion club in Australia is based?

I don't clog up the English Super League section of the board with demands about expansion in Britain.

 

[The Great Dane]

Who cares, board members and CEO’s come and go mate. As I keep saying it here, it’s about what’s good for business and what will make money to the investors of the game. If that is the Bears somewhere or the Bears no where, it’s yet to be determined.

You're just grasping at straws with this "what's good for business" stuff.

There's no way saddling a major expansion market and project like Perth (or anywhere else) with a partner like the Bears would be good for business for any stakeholder other than the Bears. All that'd be achieved by that is either effectively creating another merger, and all the issues that go along with that, or you'd be handing control of an important expansion project over to a group of people with an incentive to see it fail.

Your whole position is self-serving frankly. You don't care about the broader consequences or what is in the best interests of the NRL and sport of RL, you just want the Bears back at any cost.

 

[The Great Dane]

If you’re taking my own opinion as reasons then you just further prove my point and while we are at it, this isn’t an opinion I say as a Bears fan this is an opinion I say as a business owner.

It’s called a contingency plan and I’m sure NRL would have their contingency incase the 0.001% likelihood of it happening, happens.

This doesn’t confirm “bears want to sabotage location” or any of that nonsense, it’s just a thought out contingency for the NRL, not the expansion team themselves.

So knock it off and be better with your way of thinking.

The problem with your "contingency plan" is that the Bears have repeatedly made it clear through their words and actions that it's the desired outcome, not their contingency plan. . .

You're totally out of touch with reality if you truly believe that relocating a failed expansion team to Sydney or the CC, an already massively oversaturated market, would be a desirable contingency plan in the first place. The fact you'd suggest it at all says a lot about you, were you're coming from, and your intentions.

Being forced to merge with an entity like the Bears and play games out of Sydney is the only reason a Perth side would ever need a contingency plan in the first place. It'd be commercial suicide FFS.

 

[Wb1234]

Couple of things, I don’t need to ask anyone, anything. How about just enjoying the product that already exists and living in the moment.

This chairman has his view, cool. Previous chairmen had different views, sweet. Things change mate.

Whatever transpires is fine with me. If it’s the Bears in Perth, cool. If it’s PNG standalone, sweet. If it’s no Bears ever, ok that’s life. But if they do return, great I’m happy to invest into them and putting my money where my support is. If not, I’ll keep investing in junior league where I currently live. Either way the game wins here.

Theres more to life than to be caught up in this, I have faith the powerbrokers will do what is right for the game regardless how anyone on here feels and whatever that choice is, I’m sure the product will continue to be great regardless of where it’s played.

Bears got shafted hard from super league and then by manly

there would be some poetic justice they come back with a club that helped kill them off in Perth

perth red is ignoring the value of the bears brand

a Perth nrl team go from being irrelevant in Sydney to many peoples second team

everyone loves the story of a battler come good

it’s why I chose south’s after Balmain merged

 

[Red&BlackBear]

You're totally out of touch with reality if you truly believe that relocating a failed expansion team to Sydney or the CC, an already massively oversaturated market, would be a desirable contingency plan in the first place. The fact you'd suggest it at all says a lot about you, were you're coming from, and your intentions.

Being forced to merge with an entity like the Bears and play games out of Sydney is the only reason a Perth side would ever need a contingency plan in the first place. It'd be commercial suicide FFS.

Cool story but I never actually said anything about relocating to Sydney or CC. I said the brand comes with a potential contingency if a location fails, you can move it elsewhere.

That could be from location a to Adelaide or to Pasifika or wherever the NRL see’s fit should they ever need to cross that bridge. The emphasis would then be on the locals to support the brand and make it their own and the brand to commit and amalgamate 100% into the location to make sure it doesn’t fail.

So you bringing up Sydney is a pointless argument because powerbrokers already agree and have stated that the city already has too many sides, or just the right amount of sides depending how you see it. Not sure why you’re finding difficulty in understanding any of that, but ok.

 

[Red&BlackBear]

You're just grasping at straws with this "what's good for business" stuff.

There's no way saddling a major expansion market and project like Perth (or anywhere else) with a partner like the Bears would be good for business for any stakeholder other than the Bears. All that'd be achieved by that is either effectively creating another merger, and all the issues that go along with that, or you'd be handing control of an important expansion project over to a group of people with an incentive to see it fail.

Your whole position is self-serving frankly. You don't care about the broader consequences or what is in the best interests of the NRL and sport of RL, you just want the Bears back at any cost.

If you say so, but there’s value in raising a heritage brand into the comp, look at Dolphins and while they haven’t necessarily moved area per se their reach stretches far beyond Redcliffe now.

You’re just pulling opinions out your butthole at this point, your last paragraph shows you haven’t properly read a thing I posted yet are quick to reply to.