18th club, whose next?

[Wb1234]

A foundation club

 

[MugaB]

Let the Big Boys sort this out, what you and I want is irrelevant, much to your disbelief the Bears have been talking with WA officials,
as well as looking into their Pacifika option, I trust my source.

Tell your source, they are royally f**king themselves up by going to areas that want their own licence, they should be looking at important areas that aren't going to bid or be serviced by anyone, like Adelaide or Melbourne2, trying perth or PNG, pasifika or Nz is pointless when they are already have strong support in the game to want their own licence, you get the bears to go to an area where they dictate what they want to do, 8 games at aami park and 4 at nso, and no one blinks an eye, you try that with perth, png or NZ2 and theyll want all 12 games aswell you based in that city, aswell as the licence

 

[Canard]

Bears got shafted hard from super league and then by manly

there would be some poetic justice they come back with a club that helped kill them off in Perth

perth red is ignoring the value of the bears brand

a Perth nrl team go from being irrelevant in Sydney to many peoples second team

everyone loves the story of a battler come good

it’s why I chose south’s after Balmain merged

I don't think they guy who switches clubs every year, and quit league altogether to be a Swans fan, is much of authoritarian on loyalty.

 

[Centy Coast]

Tell your source, they are royally f**king themselves up by going to areas that want their own licence, they should be looking at important areas that aren't going to bid or be serviced by anyone, like Adelaide or Melbourne2, trying perth or PNG, pasifika or Nz is pointless when they are already have strong support in the game to want their own licence, you get the bears to go to an area where they dictate what they want to do, 8 games at aami park and 4 at nso, and no one blinks an eye, you try that with perth, png or NZ2 and theyll want all 12 games aswell you based in that city, aswell as the licence

That’s why they are in talks with the NRL, my belief is that the NRL are guiding the Bears and will dictate to them where they want them to play out of.
Between 2010 and 2014 the Bears spent lots of $$$ on their Central Coast Bid, even the Melbourne Storm cut ties with the Bears at the time as they didn’t want to help what looked to be a certain rival NRL team.
The NRL kept moving the goal posts despite the Bears ticking all the boxes then in 2014 the NRL announced that expansion would not be considered until all of its existing clubs were financially viable lol.
My source is but one person in a board of many, yes he has a voice but it is only one vote.

 

[mongoose]

Why does an Englishman think he is in a position to dictate where the next expansion club in Australia is based?

I don't clog up the English Super League section of the board with demands about expansion in Britain.

I suppose you think citizens who weren't born in Australia shouldn't vote either.

 

[MugaB]

I suppose you think citizens who weren't born in Australia shouldn't vote either.

Anyone who has a dual passport, can go get f**kd and yes also not vote, but as far as citizen, born or not, as long as youre one, im generally ok with it, but if you are sitting the fence with your allegiances, pack your bags

 

[The Man Shake]

‘Gets a bit frustrating’: Bears welcome potential NRL return... but reveal four non-negotiables

‘Gets a bit frustrating’: Bears welcome NRL return plot... but reveal four non-negotiables

www.foxsports.com.au

So the Bears aren't even in the NRL, they're probably not even the strongest bid, and they're already making demands of the NRL with "non-negotiables". Am I the only one who thinks this comes across as arrogant and entitled?

The colours and the logo I'm fine with, but...once again, we just keep hearing about the sacred and hallowed grounds of...

Their lack of commitment to even one geographical area outside of Sydney is suss. They'll play anywhere!

But the one ironclad commitment they keep making is they'll play at North Sydney Oval. But it's only for a handful of games, they tell us!

I'm taking odds on the likelihood that if the Bears are admitted to the NRL, they'll "commit" to a certain area outside of Sydney for a certain period of time. But after a while, and for any number of reasons (they only need one) they'll say it's not working. Perhaps the fans in their new area aren't engaged enough, maybe the financials don't stack up, maybe they can't attract the right players because they're not in a desirable location.

They'll then put stuff out in the media (much like they are right now, and whinging about the lack of engagement from the NRL) and people like Slothfield will claim NSO is the spiritual home of the Bears and that is where they belong full time. And the NRL will have a sh*t fight on their hands with yet another Sydney team in an oversaturated market. They'll probably throw in the claim "well Manly did it, so can we!".

If it were me, I'd give them a wide berth. The fact they keep flipping and flopping about representing regional NSW or the Pacific nations, when the truth is they're not committed to any of those areas. The few games at NSO is the giveaway.

 

[Red&BlackBear]

For the record, my personal view is that the “non-negotiable” for games at NSO need to be very flexible from Bears POV for it to make sense from a commercial business sense.

2 games guaranteed is fine as long as the other half of the table/shareholders agree to it (WA, PNG, Pasifika, Stockholm - whoever) but if you’re asking for more than that when a team is supposed to be based fulltime in Perth, Pasifika or elsewhere then it stagnates what expansion is essentially about, solidification in a new market and as such you would need as many home games to get the locals to rally behind the team as possible.

There needs to be a real caution when asking for things that you don’t necessarily have the bargaining power to ask for, otherwise Bears will be left by the way side perpetually. I would advise against putting this in any prospective clause or as a “non-negotiable” and bring it to 1 home game obviously against Manly, the other game should be an away game with an incentive deal struck with either Chooks, Souths and Tigers to take it to NSO (as long as it benefits one of those sides).

As for branding non-negotiables ie Bears, red and black and history carry over that just makes sense and I think it’s more common sense than anything else.

 

[mongoose]

Anyone who has a dual passport, can go get f**kd and yes also not vote, but as far as citizen, born or not, as long as youre one, im generally ok with it, but if you are sitting the fence with your allegiances, pack your bags

Lots of people born in Australia that have dual passports you dope.

 

[Red&BlackBear]

If it were me, I'd give them a wide berth. The fact they keep flipping and flopping about representing regional NSW or the Pacific nations, when the truth is they're not committed to any of those areas. The few games at NSO is the giveaway.

It’s logical, right now there’s no guarantees and to commit to move an entire organisation before any guarantee of any shape or form is done is quite ludicrous. Once there’s a guarantee, then you move the organisation because you can implement procedures and put steps in place.

Hence the flip flopping, first the ARLC need to green light the 18th side, then the ARLC need to lock in the location of the 18th side, then the ARLC need to decide who and/or what the team for the 18th side will be and if it’s the Bears, then the Bears move their organisation to that new 18th team location - keeping their pathway systems in place in their old area to strengthen their new area.

It needs to be done systematically with great thought-out planning based off contractual guarantees to have any chance of it being successful as a business, organisation and club.

 

[Wb1234]

If norths and Perth merge hbf park won’t even be fhen best ground in the joint venture

 

[Bukowski]

Ovals for NRL are good again I see. Optus Stadium is gonna be great for the game.

 

[Canard]

Just what the game needs.

More games of NRL in Sydney for those poor deprived fans to attend.

 

[MugaB]

Lots of people born in Australia that have dual passports you dope.

I was being satirical, lots of islanders playing our great game too, i hold a croat one... you dope

 

[MugaB]

Just what the game needs.

More games of NRL in Sydney for those poor deprived fans to attend.

f**kn oaf, you Melbournites don't like to service the one you got, let alone wanting two.. fk it then, we'll have some more in sydney then, and we'll turn up if we feel like it

 

[Perth Red]

Why does an Englishman think he is in a position to dictate where the next expansion club in Australia is based?

I don't clog up the English Super League section of the board with demands about expansion in Britain.

Haha that’s all you’ve got? I’ve lived in australia more of my adult life than england. I’m still living in your head I see lol

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Haha that’s all you’ve got? I’ve lived in australia more of my adult life than england. I’m still living in your head I see lol

Yet you still don't understand the RL landscape in this country?

Expecting the ARLC, QRL and NSWRL to prop up a team in Perth is delusional and not going to happen.

Bagging Brisbane and Sydney for not gifting Perth a team that it cannot support on its own is what turns people against you.

Why are you on here?

What is your goal?

Perth is not equal to Brisbane and Sydney in the rugby league universe. Bitterly whinging on here about Brisbane and Sydney having more power isn't going to change the lay of the landscape.

 

[Wb1234]

With 3 teams to be added including the bears it’s effectively four new teams

vlandys is a genius

 

[Perth Red]

Bears got shafted hard from super league and then by manly

there would be some poetic justice they come back with a club that helped kill them off in Perth

perth red is ignoring the value of the bears brand

a Perth nrl team go from being irrelevant in Sydney to many peoples second team

everyone loves the story of a battler come good

it’s why I chose south’s after Balmain merged

as a perth person why woudl I give a sht about whats good for sydney people? I only care about whats good for RL in perth when it comes to a perth nrl club. If a partnership offers player development, maybe some corporate interest and maybe a few thousand members elsewhere then commercially its worth looking at. But clearly the bears non negotiables were not acceptable to the perth consortium otherwise they wouldnt have gone off and developed a pacifica bears idea.

 

[Perth Red]

Yet you still don't understand the RL landscape in this country?

Expecting the ARLC, QRL and NSWRL to prop up a team in Perth is delusional and not going to happen.

Bagging Brisbane and Sydney for not gifting Perth a team that it cannot support on its own is what turns people against you.

Why are you on here?

What is your goal?

Perth is not equal to Brisbane and Sydney in the rugby league universe. Bitterly whinging on here about Brisbane and Sydney having more power isn't going to change the lay of the landscape.

again we are back to your somewhat obsessive focus on me rather than my opinions. Strange, very strange. is it a secret man crush?