18th club, whose next?

[The Great Dane]

So to clarify your point regarding memberships, one is not a real supporter or “member” unless they commit to a full membership? This seems an overly prescriptive worldview that misses the nuances of personal circumstances that doesn’t allow a supporter to make 10-12 games (think work commitments, family commitments, financial capacity, location etc)).

The amount of mental gymnastics you've had to preform to come to that conclusion is pathetically disingenuous.

I don't know why I expect any different in this place anymore though.

 

[The Great Dane]

Its bigger than big down here. Like the biggest its ever been at junior level. To the point where its starting to seriously affect Aussie Rules (some clubs are folding, some are merging etc. just to get numbers)

But soccer is huge also and always has been to an extent, and they don't seem to be able to parlay that into anything.

Grassroots basketball is so big here that they've been forced to turn people away for years because there literally aren't enough courts to accommodate everybody. I've been around a while, and I've never seen anything like it.

You say they haven't been able to parlay that into anything, but the NBA's support in Australia has exploded in the last decade and doesn't look like slowing down. It's probably amongst the most popular sports leagues in the country at this point.

The NBL has grown immensely since Larry Kestelman took over as well. The NBL will expand again by the end of the decade, would have already if not for a lack of infrastructure in key markets, and there's heaps of demand and most of their options should be safe bets assuming that they can source good owners. Add onto that their ratings and attendance numbers are steadily heading the right direction, and you'd imagine that there broadcast/streaming and sponsorship will continue to head in the right direction as well.

A lot could still go wrong, but the NBL growing to be amongst the biggest players in the Australian sports market within the next 20 years isn't outside the realms of possibility.

 

[Vlad59]

Grassroots basketball is so big here that they've been forced to turn people away for years because there literally aren't enough courts to accommodate everybody. I've been around a while, and I've never seen anything like it.

You say they haven't been able to parlay that into anything, but the NBA's support in Australia has exploded in the last decade and doesn't look like slowing down. It's probably amongst the most popular sports leagues in the country at this point.

The NBL has grown immensely since Larry Kestelman took over as well. The NBL will expand again by the end of the decade, would have already if not for a lack of infrastructure in key markets, and there's heaps of demand and most of their options should be safe bets assuming that they can source good owners. Add onto that their ratings and attendance numbers are steadily heading the right direction, and you'd imagine that there broadcast/streaming and sponsorship will continue to head in the right direction as well.

A lot could still go wrong, but the NBL growing to be amongst the biggest players in the Australian sports market within the next 20 years isn't outside the realms of possibility.

The amount of mental gymnastics you've had to preform to come to that conclusion is pathetically disingenuous.

 

[Canard]

Grassroots basketball is so big here that they've been forced to turn people away for years because there literally aren't enough courts to accommodate everybody. I've been around a while, and I've never seen anything like it.

You say they haven't been able to parlay that into anything, but the NBA's support in Australia has exploded in the last decade and doesn't look like slowing down. It's probably amongst the most popular sports leagues in the country at this point.

The NBL has grown immensely since Larry Kestelman took over as well. The NBL will expand again by the end of the decade, would have already if not for a lack of infrastructure in key markets, and there's heaps of demand and most of their options should be safe bets assuming that they can source good owners. Add onto that their ratings and attendance numbers are steadily heading the right direction, and you'd imagine that there broadcast/streaming and sponsorship will continue to head in the right direction as well.

A lot could still go wrong, but the NBL growing to be amongst the biggest players in the Australian sports market within the next 20 years isn't outside the realms of possibility.

I can't speak for the northern states, but it's a serious threat to junior Aussie Rules here, it's dwarfing it at that level (well that and the CTE stuff).

My local suburban club has 1500 players and up to 23 sides per age group. The local Aussie Rules team is struggling to get enough players for one team per age level.

We have to travel half way around the city just to find courts to play on.

 

[Maximus]

Take your pills moron and change your pad.

When the facts get presented, all you can resort to is misogynistic insults. Pathetic.

 

[T to the T]

Perth should be next, it's a no brainer, either in 2026/27. It will give the sport a national footprint, it's got critical mass to be successful and gives a nice timeslot for TV. Righting one of the wrongs of the SL war.

NZ2, feed off the Warriors good vibes, create an instant rivalry and again creates a decent weekly timeslot with both NZ sides playing home on alternate weekends.

Then Brisbane 3 in 2032. Use B3 as a bargaining chip with the State Gov't to get Lang Park finished off and can dovetail with the feel good factor of the Olympics.

You're more or less set then and those are by far the 3 best bids. Adelaide may wield it's head again one day (hello Bears) but apart from that, for all the bluster about PNG, regular test matches and a Queensland Cup side is enough for the foreseeable.

 

[Vlad59]

Perth should be next, it's a no brainer, either in 2026/27. It will give the sport a national footprint, it's got critical mass to be successful and gives a nice timeslot for TV. Righting one of the wrongs of the SL war.

NZ2, feed off the Warriors good vibes, create an instant rivalry and again creates a decent weekly timeslot with both NZ sides playing home on alternate weekends.

Then Brisbane 3 in 2032. Use B3 as a bargaining chip with the State Gov't to get Lang Park finished off and can dovetail with the feel good factor of the Olympics.

You're more or less set then and those are by far the 3 best bids. Adelaide may wield it's head again one day (hello Bears) but apart from that, for all the bluster about PNG, regular test matches and a Queensland Cup side is enough for the foreseeable.

Solid post. I’d have positioned PNG at 20 but not after recent events. They may still try to pull it off but I reckon the government will go cold on it.

 

[mongoose]

What's dumb is you and the soap dodger thinking it's okay for Hull's 260k people to have two tiny clubs to support while arguing that Brisbane's 2.8m people should not have three, despitr the two it currently has being the largest and second largest teams in the world. The pair of you are hypocrites and full of shit.

It's also dumb to think Sunshine Coast should have a team ahead of Brisbane 3.

It's really dumb to think there's a conspiracy between the ARU, ARLC, Ch9 and Foxtel to not put an NRL team in Perth so the Force have "space".

what relevance does Hull have to anything? nobody is talking about Hull, nor does anyone here have the power to remove sports teams from professional competitions.

You know Ch9 ripped off NRL so it could purchase Super Rugby

 

[Jamberoo]

The time slot for Perth should be Friday night late.
East coast 7.40pm Ch9
Perth 9.30pm (7.30pm Perth time) Fox

 

[AlwaysGreen]

My coach used to put us in a sauna for five hours before a game, without water. Harden up I say!

So you are literally cooked

 

[Jamberoo]

I can't speak for the northern states, but it's a serious threat to junior Aussie Rules here, it's dwarfing it at that level (well that and the CTE stuff).

My local suburban club has 1500 players and up to 23 sides per age group. The local Aussie Rules team is struggling to get enough players for one team per age level.

We have to travel half way around the city just to find courts to play on.

Correct. I am eastern suburbs, quite involved in junior sport and basketball is a clear number 1 overall with kids. It is all year round and boys and girls so would have five or six times more participation than any other sport. And they all love the NBA.
Scaling the leading sport as 100 this would be the interest amongst primary school kids in my area:
Participation
Basketball 100
AFL 20
Soccer 15
Netball 10
Cricket 8
Tennis 8
RU 1
There are no Rugby League clubs within 10kms.

Viewing/attending
AFL 100
Basketball 80
Cricket 20
Soccer 15 (not Counting Matilda recent surge, it will pass)
Netball 15
Tennis 10
RL 5
RU 1

I understand that soccer is number one with kid’s participation in Sydney but it is really on the nose here. Mainly recent immigrants‘ kids playing in Melbourne. The kids that are good at AFL are still playing, but all the average kids now play basketball.

 

[AlwaysGreen]

Basketball will always have a high participation rate but considering you have to be about 12 foot tall to make it to the highest levels its more about losing eyes on screens and $$$ than playing talent.
That's what the NRL should be concerned with.

I say let the kids play basketball as some of the skills in that game will improve league skills too (ball skills, jumping etc).

 

[AlwaysGreen]

I reckon the cost of playing basketball at a junior and senior social level would be much lower than sports that use a field as well?

 

[Nutz]

So you are literally cooked

But I was lucky.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

I reckon the cost of playing basketball at a junior and senior social level would be much lower than sports that use a field as well?

Probably largely depends where you live- in country areas you might actually have more access to fields than proper ball courts. Basketball is more conducive to an urban environment.

 

[mongoose]

Correct. I am eastern suburbs, quite involved in junior sport and basketball is a clear number 1 overall with kids. It is all year round and boys and girls so would have five or six times more participation than any other sport. And they all love the NBA.
Scaling the leading sport as 100 this would be the interest amongst primary school kids in my area:
Participation
Basketball 100
AFL 20
Soccer 15
Netball 10
Cricket 8
Tennis 8
RU 1
There are no Rugby League clubs within 10kms.

Viewing/attending
AFL 100
Basketball 80
Cricket 20
Soccer 15 (not Counting Matilda recent surge, it will pass)
Netball 15
Tennis 10
RL 5
RU 1

I understand that soccer is number one with kid’s participation in Sydney but it is really on the nose here. Mainly recent immigrants‘ kids playing in Melbourne. The kids that are good at AFL are still playing, but all the average kids now play basketball.

Interesting... I played basketball for years, it is not easy if you have poor coordination, your lack of skills gets exposed.

Soccer is an easy sport for un athletic, uncoordinated kids. There is a lot of room for error (Obviously the best in the world have insane skills)

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

what relevance does Hull have to anything? nobody is talking about Hull, nor does anyone here have the power to remove sports teams from professional competitions.

You know Ch9 ripped off NRL so it could purchase Super Rugby

I bring up Hull because it exposes Perth Red's hypocrisy. He once said Brisbane should only have 2 teams because it is a "mid-size city". Brisbane has about 1.8m people. Hull only has 260k people, yet he thinks it needs two teams. He ridicules cities in Sydney with a larger population than Hull for having one team.

How can I take him seriously?

The idiot claimed Perth should have a team because its population is almost as big as Brisbane. Comparing a dyed in the wool fumbleball city to the world's second largest rugby league city is just dumb.

He's inconsistent and shifts the goalposts to suit his selfish agenda.

Using Perth Red's logic, Brisbane should have 20 teams because it is 10 times bigger than Hull.

Here is the thing that makes me lose all respect for Perth Red. After years of saying Sydney clubs need to generate more revenue from football operations to be more like the Broncos, he's completely dismissed this metric because it supports Brisbane Tigers getting the 18th licence. The club has the resources needed to compete with Broncos and are projected to be one of the four richest rugby league clubs in the world. But apparently we're supposed to ignore this strength and dismiss the Tigers because Perth doesn't have a team.

 

[mongoose]

I bring up Hull because it exposes Perth Red's hypocrisy. He once said Brisbane should only have 2 teams because it is a "mid-size city". Brisbane has about 1.8m people. Hull only has 260k people, yet he thinks it needs two teams. He ridicules cities in Sydney with a larger population than Hull for having one team.

How can I take him seriously?

The idiot claimed Perth should have a team because its population is almost as big as Brisbane. Comparing a dyed in the wool fumbleball city to the world's second largest rugby league city is just dumb.

He's inconsistent and shifts the goalposts to suit his selfish agenda.

Using Perth Red's logic, Brisbane should have 20 teams because it is 10 times bigger than Hull.

Here is the thing that makes me lose all respect for Perth Red. After years of saying Sydney clubs need to generate more revenue from football operations to be more like the Broncos, he's completely dismissed this metric because it supports Brisbane Tigers getting the 18th licence. The club has the resources needed to compete with Broncos and are projected to be one of the four richest rugby league clubs in the world. But apparently we're supposed to ignore this strength and dismiss the Tigers because Perth doesn't have a team.

The sport survives on the smell of an oily rag in the UK, no teams in Manchester central, Liverpool, Birmingham. The one in London barely survives. Its a miracle any clubs in the ESL survive and still make a profit.. Two of them so happen to be in Hull, that's just how it is. Counting population in England is different to Australia too. Hull might have 260k within its city borders but there is probably another 1 million people within 30 minutes drive.

The NRL actually has the money, resources and profile in Australia to expand to larger cities that don't traditionally play or follow the sport. It's not comparable to the ESL.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

When the facts get presented, all you can resort to is misogynistic insults. Pathetic.

You didn't present any facts.

 

[Perth Red]

what relevance does Hull have to anything? nobody is talking about Hull, nor does anyone here have the power to remove sports teams from professional competitions.

You know Ch9 ripped off NRL so it could purchase Super Rugby

you just had to open the door to him didnt you lol

His calls for Brisbane3 are as shortsighted as someone who would call for a third club in Hull just because the other two have A grade licenses. Neither city is getting a third top tier club anytime in the foreseeable future.